Rayray

That would have been a shorter battle if i was on biochem. LOL I like flip tatami on stalker, I'll keep it for them. :D TBH, I am not even sure if he was FCPed on the third fight. I just assumed and run out the clock to show that i can outlast the fcp. :p

Speed like CT on 2kiels would do actually.

No, what happens on that command is you have to keep hitting the mvp so that other players miss on it.

I agree. and yeah jz, tgen dont work. kinda like CT

As proven last Euro WoE when there were like 4-5 ninjas around and I hit them all with mammonite and they die easily, removing knockback on CSS makes ninjas die funny. So I disagree on Giap's original suggestion of removing the knockback. HOWEVER, as you might have remembered nellysky, you practically spammed CSS in my bio's face and it took me a few more moments to kill you. It is so spammable that the spam rate of mammonite is not enough that i had to cast AD in between to force you to use flip tatami. Now, my class has a skill that bypasses cicada, so it wasn't a problem. Not all classes has that. Therefore, I still stand by my statement that Cicada and Flip Tatami has to have some sort of delay so it wouldn't be blatantly abused by a ninja. fRO is based in original RO? We changed tons of things so you can't put that argument. If we are really based on it, let's remove the one handed shuriken weapon of ninjas and make them not wear shields to return their ORIGINAL WEAKNESS. See the wrong logic behind that argument? fRO is so different from RO we should never compare it. And the suggestion was never closed O_O. You guys that uses ninjas can't make a decent argument to the stuff I posted, it just becomes a personal attack to everyone that agreed and the illogical argument of "if you die against a ninja, you are not pro" which is so stupid you should drown yourself and save your brain from the humiliation.

I'm INT type but I mostly do 1 v 1. Honestly, Profs, wizards and most magic classes shine in group PvP, it is only natural for them to have a hard time in 1v1 situations. But as others mentioned, getting 2x voluspa would be better. Although I wouldn't use incant on it. Most people nowadays(with the rings and stuff) do not add that much vit since their equips gives bonus HP already, meaning that if they go dual skolls, their defense is practically negative. I would have used 2xtg 2x skel worker on the other voluspa then.

I really missed you posting in the forums bro. :D Well that is part of the problem I guess, they warp once you corner them. But as people blatantly disagreed to the "unable to warp after being hit or after hitting a player" for tons of weird reasons like farming dragon scales, we cannot attack the availability of warp. As I said before, a cornered ninja(with you having sight to make them not be able use shadow leap) is dead. That is way easy to do in pvp room, not in for_fild01. But the spam rate of flip tatami and cicada is still part of the reason this is happening in the first place. They are the only class that can default gtb shield just because of those two skills.

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Really nice guide :D

As I said before and proved earlier in PvP room when I killed the ninja Remember Me 5x in a row even if kanoski's SinX Exhausted is hitting me as well(obviously, he died too), it is not impossible to kill ninjas, that is if it is in an enclosed map like pvp room and the player fighting the ninja has a good sense of his class. It is easy to corner a ninja in that kind of map, but I was using a class that can counter a ninja easily. Add the fact that I am pretty much fully geared. But compare what you do to what the ninja does. As a champ you have to use rsx, pneuma yourself from his attacks, snap to close in, try to corner him with champ combo and remove his cicada and repeat until you kill him. Compare that effort to the ninja who will just use the button for cicada to recast it, use hide, and shadow leap away to be not cornered. basically, if the map is huge, all your effort is lost by him just casting cicada. You basically did a lot of things, and he just used one skill. for all the ninjas that can't read. A delay on cicada and flip tatami so it wouldn't be so spammable wouldn't kill your class. you can still hide + shadow leap after your cicada runs out, use illusory shadow and what not. All classes received nerfs, champs cannot use thanatos card for TSS, profs cannot use fbh card for bolts, FAS and DS got bigger delays than before. In fact, tons of skills got bigger delays now. Like CT needing kiels now. oh and for the record, the only recent ninja that was worth noting and I myself think was good is Ulap as he was the only ninja I saw at the moment that can kill fully geared WS. Every other ninja just spams cicada and flip tatami and shadow leap and they think they so good because they do not die easily. If you think it takes skill to spam cicada and flip tatami, you must have a concussion of some sort. P.S. Giap's main class is a WS. He can pretty much thrash every ninja there is, and yet he didn't use his WS earlier to prove a point. He can pretty much don't care about this suggestion since it doesn't really affect his main class. I can pretty much don't care about this suggestion as I am using a biochemist and one of my skills bypass cicada. I support the suggestion for the reason that I do see ninjas as broken as full reducts stalker in the point of view of other players. You can fully gear a prof, play it for a year and fight an ND geared ninja and have a hard time just because the class is broken.

@kanoski pushback of cicada,not our own pushback, why would the ninja blatantly wear rsx himself to make cicada not pushback O_O Any character can kill a ninja? sure if the ninja is braindead. Profs or wizards cannot kill it with magic since they default gtb, their stave crasher wont hit because of cicada and flip tatami. Champs are a physical class, therefore cicada and illusory screw them, tss is blocked by the spam of tatami, same with LKs, sinx, or any other physical users except WS. Clown can tarot of course, however, just use fcp and gtb and the clown is nulled and cant hit you since you have flip tatami. Gunslingers can't even touch ninjas. Snipers and stalkers are both countered by cicada and flip tatami and fcp. Skills that bypass cicada are only a few. As a General Rule, any skill that gets affected by Hydra card, most of the time can be dodged by cicada. so skills that don't need hydra bypass cicada, that includes CT, AD, and the int part damage of Soul Destroyer. However, most of the skills that ignores Cicada, can then be blocked by flip tatami. Therefore, at most, only WS can actually hit a ninja easily. BTW: If they had 2 handed weapons like before, this shit wouldn't even be a problem. If ninjas cannot equip shields like katar wielding sinxs, we wouldn't be talking about this since magic would then counter ninjas, and not just merchant classes.

my ninja has more hp than my stalker on dex build or my gunslinger. They are not squishy.and if they are throw type, that means they can carry a lot of seeds. even if they default gtb, they can easily switch it back after a cicada push back. or shadow leap and switch.

Me killing a ninja doesn't change the fact that the class needs an overhaul. I am one of the best biochemists, and I have all the gears needed for it, add the fact that Acid bomb goes through cicada, one of the reasons why biochemists can somewhat fight ninjas. Other classes do not have a skill that goes through cicada or flip tatami, which makes ninja unkillable if you are using one of the other classes beside biochem or WS. If a ninja can only be effective because of his spam of cicada and flip tatami as you guys are implying, then that makes it true that ninjas are only OP if they can spam those two skills, which further proves that those two skills needed to be nerfed. Again, forcing people to use either biochemist or WS just to fight a ninja says so much. Other classes can fight every other classes on their own but when a ninja shows up, people have to switch characters. That is retarded as that logic chucks the "class balance" out of the window.

Who said I can't kill a ninja? O_O It takes time for a biochemist user like me to kill them, but it was not impossible for me. Either I kill them or they warp out. that's it. I don't know who your ninja is, but if you are that ninja that spams lightning spear in for fild with a yellow legendary zodiac, then I have killed you a lot of times with a 50k mammonite, even if you are spamming warp. If you are Remember Me, I killed you a few times on full int biochem and once on my hybrid biochem, you killed me once earlier but that was after you got your buffs and after you warped out because I broke your armor. I should go back to basics in RO? You never wear GR armor against my biochem on your sinx. shouldn't you be the one to go back to basics?

@kanoski and about two people go -1, while everyone went +1. and for god sakes, go back to school and learn to spell and learn grammar and learn how to use punctuation marks, reading your replies makes my eyes hurt. no one from you guys enter pvp room when I ask people to go inside. I don't blame the warp, i don't care if you warp. If someone warps out on your fight, you already won. end of discussion

flip tatami can be recasted continuesly, so even if reduce it to 2 seconds, if the ninja spams it, it wouldnt matter much. 2 hits on cicada would still not work if they get pushed back that far up, you can still recast it back if there is no delay on it.

@Victoria, I urge you to call me rayray :) You cant puppetring a ninja that uses 3 kiels anyway, gtb blocks it, and every ninja defaults that since they can live through any physical damage with cicada and just spam cicada and they wont get hit by it. It is not banning cicada and flip tatami, please READ. Just put a decent delay on it so it wouldn't be as spammable. End of discussion. @kanonski Remove the pk in for_fild? the easier way is to fight us in pvp room. BUT WOULD YOU ENTER? OF COURSE NOT, you need warp and buffs. My suggestion was: 1. either remove cicada's pushback OR make it only pushback the ninja 1-3 cells. 2. Delay on both cicada and tatami so it wouldn't be spammable 3. Allow land protector to remove tatami's effect 4. OR make flip tatami behave like pneuma wherein you can't cast another flip tatami if the effect of the other one is still there. Those three suggestions wouldn't break the class, it will just make ninja killable by other classes besides WS. you still got decent damage, illusory shadow isn't nerfed so you can use that to save yourself, shadow leap is still there so you can run.

Actually, a really hard delay on both tatami and cicada would probably do the trick, seriously a buttload of delay on this just to not make it spammable. as of this moment, both escape skills are spammable with 3 kiels which makes them OP as with those two, they are the only class that can default GTB shield. and make cicada only push back 1-3 cells so that melee classes can reach the ninja easily. And a class that forces you to change classes so you can fight it is typically the description of an OP class.

Nope, 240k-260k isn't high, as the highest I can get on stalker without investing too much vit is 300k.-320k without using vit belts. If i use vit belts, I can easily make that 350k or more. Not everyone in woe has FCP, if they do, they wouldn't have died to my biochemist. If you think stalker is not good in one vs one situations then sure, I will use my stalker to find you. Since when in this server that stalker is a support class?

If a person warped out of a fight, you win. End of story. The easiest way to actually know who is good and whatnot is make them fight in the PvP room. But as I had said a lot of times, no matter how hard we ask them to go to the PvP room, they will never do that since they cannot warp out or they cannot use their outside buffs.

I agree as we used to have a subforum called Class Discussions before. so technically that is the same. +1

My stalker that used full reducts can survive asura when frozen/stoned. What do you mean know your counters? that is basically the counter to them and yet they survive. My stalker has higher HP than my biochemist too(using sacreds at the moment, if i use eidelic then we have a bigger problem on hp). I use laughing poopoohat, skull aura, and sacred wing. I have two card slots free, which can basically be having 2 kiels, or mayap and fsoldier. If I use my eidelic wing, I can go 2 kiels and fsoldier. Which is funny since I can survive asura with being frozen(meaning my GR is nulled), I can just ditch the fsoldier and use evil druid+tao gunka as a default armor and have 3 kiels. That basically makes me immune to freeze, immune to stone and can spam like hell and be able to survive asura with just using dual raydrics. That basically defeats the only counter you can do to reducts stalker. I also have a thana card so my damage is nothing to laugh at. This shows that if the player using the stalker is rich enough to gain items that would make it way more OP, it will be. I don't have a ring for stalker, but others do. Which makes my setup above a little weaker compared to the ones that had the ring. The problem is the laughing poopoohat stacking with friggs. If we remove that, then it will be fine.

Then you shouldn't have commented in here if you do not know how to use the character properly. Matyr Stalker don't need super high hp, it considers the fact that anyone who got stripped and hit by matyr stalker, dies. So you basically focus on that and use DS if you strip the person. You are not a paladin anyway. And you were the one who kept spamming "I'm a noob" in for_fild and pms anyone that kills you "pro". I am sorry but you have no credibility to say this is not a good build. It has flaws, but every other build has it. Matyr stalker, used to have two types, one that uses the sword, the other that uses bow. The one that uses the sword needs HOD so it would be able to cast cold bolt, if enemy go GTB, you use matyr. At least on that build you wouldn't need to actually strip people. But it needs Urds with siroma cards and has lower dex than the bow matyr stalker. I myself loved that stalker build, and my personal build for it is something I wouldn't share. Bow Matyr Stalker is the easier to use between the two. All you need is around 240-260k hp, and high enough dex to hit 10k on DS using 1-2 pouring card. The problem with this one is you can only use matyr if you strip people, if not you have to stick to DS as Matyr against usakoring friggs is a joke with that low hp.

They have no resist in the bow anymore(unless you count the elite stalker bow that has 5%). The retarded thing that happens is that laughing poopoo stacks with sacred/fluffy and friggs while the other demi human reducts headgear do not, along with the reducts from skull aura/myth. Collectively, that brings it to around 80-90% reducts. Just make laughing poopoo hat not stack with friggs,kingshield,votekingshield or knightshield and they can get the maximum reducts normal players can. Stalkers really do not need the reducts IMO. Damage, escape mechanism, ability to copy trans skills that are not weapon dependent, decent HP, and decent damage. If I go try this out, I can use laughing poopoo, eidelic wing, skull aura and friggs and my reducts would still be high enough, combine it with the stalker SB with thana card, I could pretty much deal huge damage and tank about 2-4 players without me spamming seeds. I think that says it all.

The difference between thana and forsaken dagger is that thana can still be gained, forsaken dagger cannot be. So that is not a good comparison :p