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Why are we talking of WoE suddenly? In WoE, EVERYONE is easier to kill. So that is irrelevant. Just place a good LK and spam bowling bash and he can kill anyone. It isn't a big deal to die in WoE. You said "even sinx kills ninja easy on woe", that statement of yours just shows that outside of WoE, sinx cannot kill ninjas. You used the word "even" pertaining to the sinx class. With that statement alone, you actually imply that sinx is weak against ninjas outside of woe, since you used the word "even" making it so that you are looking down on sinx as a weaker class. And we gotta admit, no sinx can hit ninjas due to CSS pushback and virtually no delay on it. Even if a sinx successfully cornered a ninja, he can just go shadow leap and CSS again. Putting a delay on css will make ninjas actually THINK of positioning themselves using shadow leap and css together, and not just spamming the hell out of css on a big map. Most classes have to exert more effort to actually hit a ninja, while the ninja just uses one button for css and one button for flip tatami. For some reason, you call being able to avoid almost every physical skill with no effort fair. I copied flip tatami on stalker, so I know how absurd it is on making any physical range class look like idiots. I use it, and I myself find that the skill needs a delay. I can fight any sniper, bow stalker, kunai ninja, and biochemist on that stalker of mine and they will not be able to kill me because of flip tatami. I can go flip tatami> spam 2x-3x DS>repeat. On stalker, flip tatami is already too good, on ninja they became better because of CSS and illusory. If I screw up on flip tatami on stalker, i get hit. On ninja, if you screw up on flip tatami, your css/illusory will save you. CSS and flip are doing fine for ninjas of course, you can't get hit by anyone unless they are a merchant class. Sure it isn't impossible to kill a ninja, even a good one. But again, as I said countless of times in this thread, every other class has to do a lot of things, exert more effort just to HIT a ninja, while the ninja just presses one to two buttons and he is safe. I really cannot see how you can call that fair. If CSS and Flip tatami doesn't need the delay, we wouldn't be having this thread that is 13 pages long.

Did you read the whole thread and see how many other people besides me and giap requested it? Again, I do not see how a small delay on css and flip tatami would kill your class. I did not say put a 5 second delay, or 3 second delay on the skills. Just make it so that it isn't spammable. How hard is it to grasp that concept? We have been going through this for how many pages now. I been replying that we just need a small delay on the skills everytime one of you guys reply something in the lines of "it will kill the class". Players who migrated from other servers wouldn't even feel that delay. Most servers I know have those skills with harder delays than we are requesting. Also, our items and weapons are way better that it makes up for it. Again, fuuma shuriken weapons are supposed to be 2 handed, kunai and shuriken skills aren't that hard hitting on other servers and yet we made them good here. Using Ninja is not all about spamming CSS and flip tatami like you guys make it to be. TL;DR A SMALL DELAY ON CSS AND FLIP TATAMI WOULDN'T KILL A GOOD NINJA. ONLY THOSE WHO DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO PLAY THE CLASS WOULD BE BOTHERED BY IT.

I can also agree on just the delay on warping as well. Cicada is just annoying though but not hard to counter as a biochemist so I don't mind it. It is just like chasing a sinx that spams backslide every few seconds though. CSS should get at least a fewer cells pushback, I think the one it has now is too far. Huge Spawn of LK: that started around the time when people learned to use ship captain hat on LK and spam Spiral Pierce like hell. I don't exactly know who did it. I still wonder why no one complained about LK being able to use parry with a shield :p Huge spawn of Ninjas that just css, flip tatami and warp: The only one I know who does that is Remember Me, someone named ninjaboy or something, a ninja that has cape and skull cap that i fought on stalker, and probably all their other friends. Honestly, the only ninjas I respected now is you Supream and the recent one is Ulap. Oh that is because I find it absurd that I can kill ninjas easily on a daily basis on biochemist, but other classes can't. Giap tried it on prof with no luck, and when he is on WS he just murders them. We both can kill ninjas with little to no problem on our mains, so getting this approved will not benefit us in any way as we can kill ninjas already, it will benefit every other class. See the difference with our suggestion? You guys make suggestions that only benefits Ninjas and doesn't care about anyone else.

I love the removal of shakes :D Nice update :)

So you are implying that ninjas are weak because few people use it? go back around 6 months ago, when there are literally only 2 biochemists around(Me and Rusty Trombone) People started using Biochemist again because of me and enrique. No one mains biochemist besides me and enrique about 6 months ago, ask anyone then who are the ones that uses biochemists and they can only say me or enrique(Rusty Trombone). Now there are tons of them around because of what we did(and partly because of my guide probably). Call me arrogant, but I do take credit on making people think and use biochemist. Literally, there were only 2 of us using biochemists as a main character before I made that guide. So, due to the time I spent pvping and seeing the class' weakness and putting up something to combat it, I made people think that biochemist is a good class. Before I mained and made that bio guide, biochemists were used as FCPers. I spent time on making that FCPer class into something that can PvP virtually any class if you play it right. I didn't make the excuse of having such a big disadvantage as a biochem(FCP is easily obtainable, acidbomb is always neutral thus reduced by devs gr and raydrics etc). I just played it through. Biochemists are doing fine because we(me, enrique, airi, jayjay,bombin) played through it even if it has tons of disadvantages, and I put almost everything I know in the guide I made.

A SMALL DELAY ON CSS AND FLIP TATAMI WILL NOT MAKE NINJA USELESS. How the hell can you guys miss this point?

final strike needs inca or thana actually. which makes it great honestly. and the fact that it is range makes it so that you cant die from reflect.

I do not really see the harm on it(As I use some of them on battle prof) but as Zergling said, I don't see a reason for it since converters are easy to get. and the socket enchanter can only make it to 3 slots right?

You sir, deserves a medal. I was thinking of doing that too but I got lazy. Here's a cookie. :D

I didn't say anything about CHANGING CHARACTERS. You know how it was close minded? You want to stick to being a FULL INT Ninja, you see that they die from maya then you make a suggestion on increasing their hp, and adding increase weight limit just so you can stick to your build and not change anything about it. In short, you want to buff up FULL INT Ninjas because you die from maya, and do not want to change anything. Let me give you a concrete example then. Everyone knows I love the Biochemist class, I use it for farming on my ring equipment even though I have a wizard. I use it for EVERYTHING. If you backtrack and look at all my suggestions for it, they were not overboard(putting increase AD on the blessed ring because the cape has it, reducing the price of acid and fire bottles from 10k to 1k, Increasing tao gunka effect on MERCHANT classes). Those suggestions were well thought of by me and other players, we gave decent arguments on it and accept the community's reaction to it. All of those suggestions were accepted, but none of them is as long as this one. All my suggestions were based on fairness, I made it not only thinking about biochemist, but also thinking about how the other classes will fare against it. I mained Biochemist, but I didn't ask for unli bottles now, I did before, but as the community deemed it too OP, I disagree on putting it too and settled on having the price drop. I did not ask for unli fcp bottles. Biochemist is still one of the most expensive classes to use as FCP is not that cheap if you buy it by the bulk and you still use zeny on a daily basis because of the bottles. RSX+GR screws INT biochemists and yet I didn't ask for people to nerf it, same with FCP. My int build biochem before is screwed by FCP+GR+devs+GTB. Did I make a suggestion to increase acid bomb damage to combat that? No. You know what I did? I made adjustments on my build(adding strip cards, adding ring of resonance, adding defensive cards etc), I change my gameplay a little. Until to the point that I made my Hybrid Biochemist Build with the help of Airi. That's what I wanted you to do, to be flexible and think of what you can do when one thing screws you over. I didn't say you should change characters, ninja is great(too great) to begin with. And not go and spam suggestions so that your old build will still work.

anyone who makes this kinds of topics?

even with two tao, if you they use maya, you will just hurt yourself. Stop being so close minded on your build and sticking out for JUST INT ninja.

@nellysky I seriously doubt that one reflect will kill you, as my soul linker hit 8k bolts and I don't die on one reflect with 100k hp. If your magic hit high, you should know he is on maya, it should be 2nd nature to you when to know your damage is legit or because your enemy switch out of his usakoring shield. And I beg to disagree on FS being not good in this server, FS types are good in this server due to the amount of hp you can get and the custom weapons we have. Ulap does decent FS damage and he isn't full FS yet. Supream did great on FS as well. Also, I will correct some terms you used. You use INT Type Ninja. Ninja was the class name, your build is focused on INT. The reason why nando said you do not know how to play your class is because cmon, you are fighting a maya user and you still spam magic? If you have at least a weapon with incant on it, someone that removed usakoring shield should still get around 1k+ damage from kunai even if you are not throw type. I have been testing on magic damage for a long time now. seriously, 8k matk doesn't have that much difference from 10k matk, so is with 7k to 8k. Lower your int a little, try to think outside the box. You use magic, make use of it to force them to use maya and use something else.

I know people who uses vote king sets and has about a few of them to switch around. Gear isn't the question here as vote king sets are easily obtainable

Imma go with Squal Leon(geldaz, Paranoia Agent. to the old guys who knew him). he is not FAS and spam like hell build, he uses traps, and for someone who uses Legendary Bow and Rucksack, he kills people more geared than him.

One simple test(which also works against people who buffs themselves thinking they are good) is to call them out in pvp room. Now that FCP is allowed in there, they shouldn't have excuses. I called a lot of the ninjas and warpers and buffers to that room. so far, none answered my challenge. I did fight Remember Me in the pvp room, but it just clearly showed that he needs the warp command.

Just screenshot it if it happens.

I disagree, you can only replace someone as being good once someone surpassed him, and honestly, with all the ninjas just running and warping around, Supream is still the best ninja.

Weirdly, I default thana since people think ray+skoll cloak is good, or they default dual raydrics. I feel the need to post this though. http://irowiki.org/wiki/Killing_Stroke- just remove the part where mirror image adds to your final strike damage because that is renewal stat and our formula still uses the (STR*40)+(HP*80%). It is not always about the hp although it was a big factor. I said to try and use FS to people that used GTB on your magic ninja, because let's face it, without their shield you should be hitting them good. Although you will need a better build and card setup then.

^ you have two skills that will make you immune to physical attacks for a few times. So that could enable you to FS them without worrying that much. Only thing you have to take care of sometimes is the sword reject buff of stalkers if you are using dagger.

They do not read anything that disagrees with the suggestion. Which makes them just repeat themselves even though we already answered their concern.

There is no reason to put back pk in TG and FBH maps. Not all players have friends, not every newbie has a guild. If they started in this server alone, with pk on those 2 mvps on, they will have no chance. You guys know how hard it was when there are tons of people trying to get the mvp, you are the ones who should be supporting the no PK rule on those maps, unless of course you wanted to kill new guys now just because you died when you were a newbie before. PK server or not, it should have limitations. let them gear up in peace.

You wouldn't want me to call a gang party seriously.

It isn't our fault that you go max int and can't put vit anymore so you have low hp. Matk has a range of damage, you should know that having 8k matk doesn't have that big of difference against 10k matk. Just because you cannot build a ninja that has better matk and high hp doesn't mean we have to change their HP. they can dodge every physical attack except cart termination. your low hp makes up for the fact that your defensive skills are second to none. 120k HP on ninja? soul linker got 130k on one tao with me using Eidelic wing. remove the eidelic and i got around 90k-100k. With leap and ka-skills, I don't mind having that much hp. you should be fine with 120k hp with cicada and flip tatami. lessen int, get better hp. Sacrifice a stat if you want something higher, instead of us making the adjustments so your build would work. USE STAT FOODS. cmon man, that was basic RO knowledge.

Stop trying to kill newbies and fight us in for_fild01 if you want to pvp. Do not glorify yourself by being able to kill ungeared players.