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Now we talking about Ninja's low HP? O_O My soul linker got 100k HP with Eidelic wing. What was your point on dying on reflect? You die on reflect because you spam too fast, it should be second nature to you when to know that they are using maya shield. Seriously, stop going FULL MAGIC on a ninja. Profs and Wizards and Soul linkers can go that way provided that they can stave crasher. Since you don't have that luxury, you shouldn't go full magic and blame it on the maya shield if you die, that was your fault anyway. In all honesty, I am pretty sure that if they went maya shield, if you can actually go FS, you would have killed them. Bishop already said the reason why they put l.ammo and l.bullets, it is because those classes uses them so fast with 195 aspd. While ninjas DO NOT ALWAYS need the magic stones. MAGIC STONES are CATALYSTS, not ammo. THOSE ARE DIFFERENT. You can auto attack without using magic stones, snipers and gunslingers cannot. Almost all of their skills consumes ammo, ninja skills do not always consume magic stone. What is so hard to grasp in that concept? We already said that the solution here is a new weapon for magic ninjas that have matk and increase weight limit. You just do not want to accept it because you want the matk and increase weight limit on the tyr's/legendary shuriken for your throw type ninja. Which is something we won't agree on.

one of the only few intelligent replies I have seen in this thread.

I only know 2 Ninjas who don't warp out, which is Ulap and Supream. But I am more inclined on saying Supream is better.

Farm Seeds,Concentrated speed potions and FCP tickets. Then sell them at a normal price during normal days, kinda OP it in WoE and PvP events. That will gear you up within 2 months if you can do it vigorously.

You can't spam BB unless you can't be pushed back(cornered, rsx card) so I don't think it was a problem. If they hit you that high, you are not on skolls and they have thana. even if you have 150 vit, your defense is still high enough, as in normal servers, you will rarely get 150 vit and you still will get hit hard by thana. It is not only on vit, your total defense is taken into account by thana. Consider the fact that their weapon(freyr)increases BB damage. 50k-60k is actually kinda normal if he is geared, I've seen 80k-100k each hit of BB before.

Oh don't worry, I don't want you to be a biochemist too. I replied that since you imply that ninjas are so hard to use because of all the buttons you have to press compared to other classes, when in fact, ninjas have fewer skills to use compared to profs and champs at most. I don't know what you mean by "fingers hurting" by having so few skills that you need to spam. I have more skills to press than your ninja and for some reason your fingers are hurting already? Stop making excuses for the ninja class, they are seriously not hard to use as you make them to be. ANY ninja can survive in for_fild01, all they have to do is spam Cicada and Flip tatami and warp like you do and they will be fine.

You do not use the same combo then, because you are a great Final Strike Ninja as I remember it. You have to get close and use FS, compared to most ninjas that spam throw kunai from a distance right now. css pushes them off if you hit them, and that distance is near perfect for them to use throw kunai without even moving. you can go flip tatami, use 1-2 throw kunai, flip tatami and repeat it against long range attackers. You gotta admit, the throw shuriken and throw kunai damage then wasn't huge, only the throw fuuma damage was decent on the shuriken weapon, but then again, that was 2 handed so we have no problems with it.

I'll just count it. 1 for css, 1 for flip tatami, 1 for throw kunai, 1 for hide, 1 for shadow leap, 1 for seeds, 1 for soul, 1 for illusory shadow, 1 for fire formation and 1 or 2 for shield(if you do not have friggs but I doubt that you even switch shields), 1 for armor(which i doubt you switch to) 1 for cloak. so around 13 keys which BM is more than enough. about only 4 skills there you spam on it. not that hard. Oh and for you, you also have to be ready with alt+ whatever number you put your warp back to city. So I kinda see how hard it might be for your fingers then. :) I played Ninja before in 2009 when I was part of Royal Mafia. Back then, our weapons are still 2 handed. So I assume back then was harder to play ninja with as we cannot default gtb, and if we use shield, we have to switch weapons as well. or we just use the ninja dagger and use magic + FS. Champs takes more skill to spam zen-fury-zen-asura-berry repeatedly in quick succession. you get a breathing room when your flip tatami and css are still active. Oh since you think ninjas uses so many keys, I'll tell you my biochemist skill bar. first row: Mammonite, acid bomb, seeds, coldbolt, heaven's drive, box of storms, cart revolution, crazy uproar, full chemical protection 2nd row: call homunculus, urgent escape, rest, summon homunculus, Noble hat, Sight, Deviling Headphone, Bomb, Acid terror 3rd row: Friggs shield, Fking shield, Cloak, armor, boots, helm of darkness, gangster Clip, ring of resonance, urds' earrings. And I still have to double click some stuff in inventory which includes STR Belts, extra converters if needed,foods, concentrated speed potions, Drooping Valkyrie helm, Edge, 4x stormy knight creator dagger, and strip shield and strip weapon dagger, maya orleans server, eidelic wing with fsoldier when fighting champs, and creator blessed ring when I need it back on. Rather than seeing me survive in for_fild where people can warp, I'd rather see you survive in PvP room.

I like hitting people up close and personal. Hang on I'll just go on my priest and post the build

which server is it and what place the server is in, and where do you live? You might have 200 ping on this server, but that isn't always the case on ALL the servers

I wore +10 gears last time, a thana user hit me, I only am using 2x skolls. Didn't really hurt. I don't know what the fuss is. +10 gears only hurts you if you are using skoll+ray.

^ Every reply you do make it sound that ninjas are weak when they are not. Fingers start to hurt on spamming skills? everyone has that, and I don't think your fingers would hurt as much as that of a good champ. I think fairness for you have a different meaning. If you mean fairness by giving ninjas legendary kunais and unlimited magic stones because of snipers and gunslingers having l. arrow and l. bullets, then we should do that to ALL CLASSES. Meaning, every class that uses items for their skills should have them JUST FOR THE FAIRNESS OF IT ALL. Holy Water for priests, , Items needed for making converters for Profs and also their enchant skills, FCP and Acid bomb bottles for bios, EDP for sinx. And in this case, it wouldn't be fair right? BUT if we give them to ninjas it is fair? You got me lost there in your weird logic. It became like this. You suggest something to make ninjas a bit more powerful than they are because "it is only fair". But when tons of people ask for the nerfing of some ninja skills, you go tell us that "they are fine" and doesn't need any changes or say "it is unfair". Oh and you made me laugh on the soul linker stuff. Of course they need to give them coldbolt and firebolt, none of their offensive skills(Es-type) work on people. I thought that was common sense that is why no one questioned it besides you. And for the record, a ninja can go hybrid,magic or pure throw type. A soul linker can only go reflect or magic, barely have 100k HP on one tao, way easier to counter than ninjas.

Well in theory, I think that client just connects you to a network with less routes possible so yeah it might reduce ping, however it isn't free :p. Might have gotten the same result by paying for a better connection.

My ping is around 200+, most of the time it reaches 270 when someone is using my network as well. Any other class besides Champs, I can use well with little delay, sure I have some delays on walking, seeding sometimes, which can be bothersome when chasing and fighting people. And the classes I use have skills that have little delay and I still feel it sluggish sometimes. Removing the delay on champ skills might not actually help at all. Maybe you can asura after zen much more efficiently, but it will still take a few milliseconds before the server receives your command, so you will still see some sort of delay compared to people with better ping. This might require alot of tests first. As we don't exactly know why the "skill failed" message shows up on zen>asura but not on zen>tss.

Thana will not rape you if you had skolls and ring to begin with. +10 armors actually saves you against people that uses non incant equipments. If you guys didn't notice, wearing 2x skolls+ ring will make your def negative. I have around a few +10 armor pieces and thana don't hurt me at all. I am that cheap, and I kinda needed some extra armors, so why not.

Take it from me, Emperium Aura is better stat wise. extra 5 stats help a lot on builds.

I prefer having both Pally and Priest in the Aegir raid, GOH raid just simply do not pose that much threat so pally's aren't that much needed.. Our raids usually consists of Pally, priest, clown/gypsy, the quest doer and whatever is left would be any class that hits hard, normally snipers.

^ I kinda miss the chaos caused by guilds hating on each other. It made anthell01/lhz_dun03 into a gvg map every time members of different guilds show up. Tons of cursing/trashtalking were thrown in but it was fun.

I have a better alternative/solution to this though, and I find it easy to code. 1. make thana_boss map unwarpable to players using @warp command. 2. Create an NPC, which will check if you have the fragments, if you do, it will warp you and your party to thana_boss 3. Proceed as usual The NPC and thana_boss map should have a 2 hour reset window. Meaning it will not allow players to go in if the time limit is still up. I put that since thana_boss map resets after killing thanatos in about 2 hours. Obviously it would take a couple of mins to kill thana if you are not geared so we can also put the reset window to about 3 hours. It all depends on the coder on how he will implement it anyway. ALSO to prevent abuse, thana_boss will warp out EVERYONE after thanatos is killed. around 10 seconds or so, it should force warp people out.

I don't really see a problem with it so +1 :D

I seriously like it when people do not know who I am and decides to trashtalk me. :) I never played asura champ, I knew my ping was too high to try that and I wasn't stupid enough to do it, so I played combo. So if you are asking me if I was enjoying it, then yes. You are the one who didn't get what I posted there. The reason why you guys spam a little slower is because of the latency, not the aftercast delay of the skills, this is proven because there are champs that can spam fast with little delay. That is because the server receives the command faster because of less hops. (if you do not get this, please research about ping first). Making the skills have 0 delay MIGHT or MIGHT NOT help at all if your ping is above 200+. I actually believe it will cause more harm actually, we had tons of skills that have virtually no delay and they got fixed. If it was the delay mentioned by Supream about the Zen to Asura transition, that would be alright. But I do not think the GM Team will make it 0 delay, probably reduce it a little.

Genesis already said that no skill will have no delays because of the abuse that other players might do with it. Don't get me wrong, I have around 200 ping so I know how hard it was. We can test it out I guess, however I just see it as 200+ ping players getting a little faster and 100 below ping players becoming extremely fast with it. It will be just making the fast champs even faster and making normal champs a little bit faster(since even with no delay, the difference in ping will still affect it.)

Seriously off topic dude. But I will reply on that. We made items immune to freeze so that champs wouldn't overpower everyone just by using garm card. We made weapons unbreakable so that Biochemists and WS do not have a distinct advantage over the others.

Did you play around the time when we have no valkyrie weapons correct? when we only had elite stuff? Because if you did, things were way different back then. The ninja weapon back then(not the dagger but the fuuma) is 2 handed, that is why there is no problem then for magic users against ninjas, ninjas had to switch weapons to fight magic users. Now, being able to default GTB shield because of 2 handed weapons and cicada+tatami is retarded. We gave them decent reducts due to being able to equip shields already, why not tone down cicada and flip tatami a little? it is just a small delay to not make it spammable as it is now, I really don't see how that would destroy a good ninja.