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Tarot is nearly casted as fast as you can spam it. It doesn't matter that it fails more than it succeeds. The fact of the matter is that even when we consider the successes and failures combined, it's still too fast. I'm sure everyone knows how fast Tarot is spammed but I'm posting a video anyway since it's a good reference for this thread. And no, it's not a ton that are useless on our high-rate environment. In fact, majority of them are very relevant. I will break them down here so others and yourself can take a look at them. The Fool: Reduces SP to 0. Irrelevant. (Edit) The Magician: Halves MATK for 30 s. Relevant. The High Priestess: Complete dispel. RELEVANT. The Chariot: 1000 DMG and breaks random equipment. Relevant. Strength: Halves ATK for 30 s. Relevant. The Lovers: Warps target and heals 2000. Irrelevant. Wheel of Fortune: Casts two cards. Relevant. The Hanged Man: Frozen, petrified, stopped. Relevant. The Devil: 6666 DMG, halves MATK and ATK for 30 s, casts curse. Relevant. Death: Cursed, coma, poisoned. RELEVANT. The Tower: 4444 DMG. Irrelevant. The Star: Stunned for 5 s. Irrelevant. The Sun: Drops ATK, MATK, DEF, Hit, Flee by 20% for 30 s. Relevant. Temperance: Chaos 30 s. Irrelevant. (Edit) I'm counting 10/14 cards which is far more than what you're seeing. Don't forget that Death followed by any of the cards that do any sort of damage is a game ender. The relevancy is to my opinion but you can try to argue its irrelevancy if you wish. So our definitions differ here. To me, SB and AV are burst skills. Skills like AD, CT, and FAS are non-burst skills. To me, burst means there is delay after successive casts. The non-bursts can be consistently spammed and have a pattern in which ygging is easy. It may not be abused with 3rd-party programs but it is one of the skills that I and many others believe there should be delay on. That's exactly what this suggestion thread is trying to address so I'd consider it on-topic. You're misinterpreting my point. To re-quote, "No idea where you got this from but tarot has always been enabled in WoE. On official servers as well." You're using this as a rational for keeping Tarot in WoE. But just because it's always been enabled in WoE on official servers doesn't mean it should reflect how it is on our server. PvP mechanics are completely different between low and high rates. If you're going to be using that as part of your argument, we can push it to the extreme and argue things like bow being two-handed (just like it's on official servers) or why have 2-slotted armors (official servers don't have that), etc. "We should keep things the way they are because they've always been that way" is what I'm getting from you in this portion of your post. What kind of reasoning is that? This is where our priorities differ I guess. I think we should strike down cheaters where they stand. I don't think I will be able to bring you to see my preference for my position. At least if cheaters were gone, everyone would be on a fair level. This is what confuses me. How do we establish standards for spam rates? Isn't it generally accepted that those who have better connections will have smoother, faster spams? How are you spamming faster than I am with having higher ping? Don't say my hardware is bad because my computer is basically brand new and RO isn't a hardware-intensive game anyway. I know. It's like he thinks I'm stupid or something. I've seen thousands of DS spams in my years on this server. You can't fool my eyes.

Fails often? You've got to be squidding me. I'm going to post videos to counter-argue this later today. To reiterate, Tarot is the single most broken skill in the game. I'm positive a majority would side with me on this. In my definition of what burst damage is, it's precisely because it is burst that it is hard to ygg. While there is some predictability once you get a sense of the delay between skills like SB and AV, the burst factor is what renders kills for Sinxes and Clowns/Gypsies, so I don't understand what you're saying here. You're not making an impartial argument here. You're just stating your personal opinion. Why are you comparing apples and oranges. FRO != official RO. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition Right now, the ways to go about dealing with cheaters is a very passive in approach. Players have to make tickets and report them for some action to be taken. Sometimes, the issue doesn't get solved or is unfortunately, neglected. In observation of the problems inherent to bureaucracy, I believe all this can be swiftly resolved by adding server-sided delays. In comparison, this will be a very active approach on behalf of the server to prevent cheaters from going about their business. As for myself, the prevalence of cheating is the sole detriment to this server's PvP environment. Since this server primarily propagates itself as a fast-paced, PvP-oriented server, don't you think taking action against cheaters (who ruin PvP) should be one of the primary issues to be resolved? Preventing cheaters from doing their thing sounds like all the right reasons to me. Please convince me that this Double Strafe spam speed is legitimate: Compared to this (my own, ~55 ping): More videos to come (with CT, Tarot, BB, and SB).

I can do ~4-5 SBs fairly often and 2 AVs (rarely 3 if I get the timing/dancing right). This is with ~50 ping, as a reminder. I disagree with making AV easier to spam. Fighting a clown/gypsy already requires defaulting GTB to survive (because of OP tarot). This alone pushes their damage to the 10-12k range. Spamming that 4 times average is more than the full HP of many classes. While sinx can also spam more than the full HP of many classes, they don't have tarot. I think I can confidently state that tarot is the single most broken skill in the game. I'm sure I can kill almost anyone with just tarot alone. I disagree with BB because the innate knockback already serves as a skill spam buffer. It's really only when you're up against a wall or you have RSX that BB becomes brutal but those are situational. I have not seen Mammonite abused in any sense to warrant nerfing. Super baby use has died down considerably. In fact, I don't think I've seen one in for_fild01 in like the past month. Strange considering how popular they were like 3-4 months ago.

The update IS the fix. It was broken before. If you want to know why it was removed, kindly visit this thread: http://www.forsaken-ro.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=28649

Skills commonly used by cheaters: Cart Termination, Double Strafe, and Focused Arrow Strike. I will post videos when I can that will explain why I suggested these skills. I will compare suspected cheaters' spam rate versus my own spam rate (I have roughly ~55 ping). Skills that need added delay: Tarot Card of Fate.

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Updates keep rolling in. Nice work!

BAM! The man himself has made a decision.

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If you want to prioritize, CT is their main skill so the obvious choice is bless.

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From my understanding, BN appears to increase your spam rate to illegitimate speeds whereas gaming keyboards don't. Both improve overall spam consistency and put less strain on your hands since user-built macros do the work for you. However, the key difference from my observations (in for_fild01 and such) has been that the spam rate from gaming keyboards, while fast and consistent, are more importantly, legitimate. Meaning, a player can manually achieve those speeds, though their wrist will likely be inflamed from the pain caused by the repetitive keystroke action. BN on the other hand, increases spam rate to speeds that are impossible to achieve with just 3 Kiels, good ping, and fast fingers. It's pretty obvious to differentiate the two especially when you see players who are known to have ~200 ping that are spamming skills like CT, DS, and FAS at ~195 aspd. It's rather humorous because they spam faster than I can having ~50 ping (and other players that I know that have low ping) and then they have the nerve to claim that their BN spam speed is due to their gaming keyboard (because obviously their gaming keyboard is improving their connection to the server and reducing their ping, right?). My point is that there are many BN users who are claiming "gaming keyboard" as an excuse for their spam rate, but don't seem to realize that a "gaming keyboard" won't let them spam faster than the server intends them to. If a normal human regularly achieves consistencies of 60-80%, a gaming keyboard will push that to 90-100% and then BN pushes it further to 120%, which is illegal.

I've iterated it once on my original post that there are many reasons that contribute to LK being a top-tier class for PvP. It's not just the current implementation of Parry and their DPM. There's things like their walking speed and high HP modifier that make them very powerful. I think nerfing Parry is the right step. Demonstrated by the video I posted, it procs way to often to be considered fair for other melee classes fighting them. Their spam rate of Bowling Bash is fair. Why do I say this? Consider Sniper's FAS. I would say they output nearly the same DPM but note that FAS is ranged and hits through a line whereas Bowling Bash is limited to several cells in front of you and the skill knocks back the player making consistent spam impossible (unless RSX or against a wall of course).

Maybe your email is configured to filter it as spam.

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This is like asking which Champion Ring or which LK Ring is the best. They're both good. Get both of them.

There's a person there that sticks out like a sore thumb, l0l. Props to her for helping out.

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Granted, but everyone's net value went down. I wish for world peace.

AK-47

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