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Ok here goes. I used the wing MOSTLY on characters I do not have a ring on. I would never replace my biochemist ring for an eidelic, because the increase in HP is minimal on the class. With that being said, the wing drops from castles, it literally is not up for donation, nor does a quest is needed to actually have a chance on getting the wing. It is still incredibly rare. But buffing it up can only help those who have it, and make a certain class reach absurd levels(Yes, super novices/babies, I am talking about you guys). I think that tips it way too much. We have to be honest here, if you have rings, chances are, you will put this wing in storage unless you want to troll on Super Novice or you are using a pally. I see the eidelic wing as an alternative to the rings if you can't get it, so naturally, it is weaker than most rings. I really do see it as good enough, but my opinion is based solely on its usage on my part. Like I said, I used it on classes i do not have a ring on, and they have done quiet well(It was awesome on DS Stalker, made my super baby reach wtf levels of hp, enabled my wizard to actually hit 200k hp, made my clown tanky for raids, etc). adding a small amount of stats might not hurt though, I can't remember how much stats it gives before. If it was around +5, i think ill be fine with that.

Last piece of advice: Bring a non-thana weapon. Problem solved.

FCP counters terror. I mainly use it for other purposes like freezing rather than breaking

You are suggesting that we allow only one skoll to be used so that you can use your thana? Sorry, but I disagree. Why would we limit players on using 2 skolls just for you to be able to deal decent damage on thana?

Yep that is what I was thinking too. Definitely no Ghost kunai.

The legendary arrows and bullets add minimal damage anyway. Trust me, it doesn't really add much damage, so making a kunai is not a problem(if the GM team has time to do it). I can agree if the topic starter put what stats they want. And lastly, this should not be a priority as the ninja class don't really need it.

^ That is the old effect. the new one has all that and 10% increase in acid demo damage.

No card affects Acid Demonstration. Only the valk weapon Jomungandr's Rage, the Legendary Bio Mace, Creator Blessed Ring, your INT and enemy's VIT affects its damage.

Most snipers I've seen only use FAS which is pretty easy to counter. I am not sure about lowering their damage as we already removed their strip capability. I thought we removed the strip from bows due to them having decent damage + strip make people think they are OP, now we will go and say we should lower their damage as well? That does not seem right. The only 2 handed weapon that became one handed that I have an issue with is LK sword. The others are fine.

Wizards are underplayed not because of GTB, it is because of their HP. If they had enough HP like other magic classes, GTB is not an issue Stave Crasher is there to counter GTB.

I wouldn't even need to break someone's armor with acid bomb if they cannot wear shield. We already nerfed their ability to strip with the bow, I see no reason of making the bow 2 handed again. If you are talking about 2007-2008, it is pretty balanced even if the snipers have 2 handed bows. simply because we do not have this much damage anyway. They were given daggers though, which works for stripping. We do not have slotted accessories(so not everyone is running around with pnuema acc), and there are only a few auras to have that most of us were using dragon aura(+5 stats) and the best lower headgear you can use is the rucksack. What I am saying is that the damage back then was tolerable even without a shield, the sniper can react to cloak or switch to dagger shield fast enough without dying. If we do this now, no sniper will live to even switch. Even a lvl 5 firebolt from a bio using urds and jrage might be enough to kill the sniper. also, making them use 2 handed bows will make them practically useless to magic users.

1. Yes you can do it yourself. You can also heal yourself using a priest and buff yourself with it but we have a healer to do that as well. 2. How am I screwing classes over when you mention that EVERYONE can do it already with dual clienting? It's not like im introducing a whole new feature, FCP has been here for a long time, letting an NPC buff you with it at a cost is not gonna change anything since, with your words, EVERYONE CAN DO IT ANYWAY. 3. I think I have to put it in bold fonts. I MAIN CREATOR. So you mean to tell me I am suggesting this to make my favorite class obsolete then? A creator losing just because people got FCP need to play the class more as there are a lot of things to do when people have FCP. That's like saying wizard and prof are obsolete due to GTB. Please give an argument to number 2 because that is my main issue here. 1. That will not happen, not everyone is gonna go to fild having fcp(that uses glistening coats or + zeny as ChainBreak and Lenneth suggested) and just see no use of FCP(no creator, no stalker, no clown, no one stripping, everyone sitting down). It will still be like dual clienting, where you only fcp when you need it. No one is gonna waste FCP bottles just to have it on 24/7 or else every creator has done it, and I keep catching creators with no FCP in fild. We haven't changed on how FCP is farmed anyway, so not everyone is gonna waste bottles just to have FCP 24/7 when they see no use for it. We do not see people on FCP 24/7 not because it needs dual clienting, it is because it is not always needed. 2. Damage wise, creators got easy counters in GR and Raydric, that I can agree. But during WoE, they can kill or stunlock people even if those people got fcp(you just need to pair up with an LK or anyone on thana), put bombs on the floor near the emp to show up/stall some people(which sadly is mostly done by me and other people that actually know how to use creator) , freeze people using acid terror, and provide support. I go in WoE thinking everyone is on FCP anyway. With the way our WoE is, no one has the time to relog and rebuff with the npc during crucial moments. Lastly, I have not really seen other creators going in castles and doing what we used to do, 90% of them stay at the base of their guilds and WAIT for people to scream FCP PLOX. With that in mind, I would rather see those creators defending and stalling people then become buff bots for their own guild. They kinda become the NPC I wanted to suggest here, which is sad.

1. The suggested emp room only suggested an emp that shows the damage to gauge their card combos. Never once in that suggestion that a whole lot of people can enter at once, nor was it said that the emp in the emp room can actually break. And an emp room that actually has the emp breaking, and no one defending on it? That seems useless as it would just break every few seconds doesn't it? 2. I never said sinx was the only breaker, but it is the most common. No one in their right mind will break with any other class besides sinx, stalker, star glad and the occasional weird ones. But that still limit on who will use the SUGGESTED emp room, not the one you envisioned. 3. The only edits I put on my original posts are the ones that were added due to people's input in this suggestion. I never said in my original composition that it was an inconvenience to me, I said I was never a fan of dual clienting for buffs. I never liked using dual clients just for buffs, I mostly use dual client for a clown or priest on a raid. If you don't believe me and think I edited my suggestion and removed the word inconvenience in it, find a moderator that can see edit history and tell him/her to post the entire edit history. 4. If clowns and stalkers are irrelevant, then what is your issue of putting FCP on an NPC? Since you also mention that anyone can FCP, doesn't the NPC that do it not make any difference? See, you keep on contradicting yourself. With that argument, if anyone can just FCP using dual client, there is no harm on just letting an NPC do it at the cost of glistening coats. 5. Too lazy to box a creator? That was funny, as anyone who know me knew that I only main Biochemist. Try putting valid points on why you do not want this suggestion to happen, instead of just attacking me simply because I never agreed to the emp room suggestion. Please, I don't give a damn about the emp room suggestion so stop bringing it as an argument. In case you haven't noticed, only you disagrees(even GM Sensation agrees).

Isn't the bottle already a price for it though, dual clienting isn't exactly hard, it is just a hassle at times. But I can see your point and we might really need a zeny sink anyway, so I will put it in the original suggestion as an alternative. Thanks for the input :)

@Zombee First, you are contradicting yourself. The emp room suggestion only lets you gauge your damage, nothing more, nothing less. If you are already confident that you got the "combo" right, why would you use it? If the emp room is actually a copy of one of the castles and lets you plan out your defense, I would have agreed to that suggestion. Second, why would other classes use the emp room if they are not going on breaker build? If they want to be useful in the emp room, they do not need to break, they need to kill and stall the breakers and their pallies, kill the defenders(prof, priest) and plainly be there to support their own breakers. The emp room cannot simulate that. Or are you plainly suggesting that every class should have a breaking weapon? For this suggestion, how can it be abusive? It basically is the same thing, minus the dual clienting. EVERYONE can dual client for FCP, so what is the reason of not just having the NPC do it? It is the same, just takes less time to do so. It still uses glistening coat, your dual client fcper uses glistening coat. I don't think it can be abused since it is not free, you still need to farm for bottles. How can it be a disadvantage to other players? Are you thinking of stalker being useless because they can't strip? Any stalker who becomes useless just because of FCP should stop using stalker then, it is pretty much stupid to build something solely on the strip skill. BTW, I do not need to dual client for FCP as I main and only use Biochemist. I already have FCP 24/7. So if you are thinking this suggestion stemmed out of laziness to dual client for FCP, you are terribly mistaken. This suggestion actually will not help me much as I already can FCP whenever I want. Lastly, I find your comment "FCP cuts the edge on most battles" hilarious. Do you do pvp with a rule "no fcp" but you have a stripping/breaking weapon? FCP actually balances some classes out. Without FCP, Stalker would have a field day, and Clowns will be ridiculously overpowered as it is the only class that can break cloaks and helm.

Because the emp breaking room will only be used by breakers and be forgotten once everyone got a hold of what they will claim the "best card combo", while my suggestion will be used by everyone and will always be used. On a programmer point of view, it is more efficient to code something that will always have a use compared to coding one feature that will be forgotten in a few days. I already said I hated the idea of dual clienting for buffs. If I can have my way, I would remove dual clienting entirely, and just put up the needed buffs like soul link and fcp on seperate npcs as this would also remove people using 2x and MB to win. But as a lot of people actually rely on them, this will never happen. Also, for the record, the emp breaking room imo is also a lazy idea and a waste of resources(code+time). How you find that reasonable is beyond me as well.

It's the full effect of GTB, 100%.

you have to be specific, change the sprite into what sprite?

This idea stemmed out from the Guild Hideout suggestion, but I think Genesis already rejected that suggestion. So here goes: I would like to suggest having an NPC(or just adding it to the kafra) that will cast Full Chemical Protection on your character at the cost of 1 glistening coat. Basically, this suggestion is just to eliminate the use of dual clienting just for FCP. I was never a fan of dual clienting even for buffs so this idea came out of that. EDIT: reading james' reply, I come to the conclusion that putting the option for FCP on the kafra will be hassle during woe, as you would scroll down a lot of options to find it. So I support his idea to just create a separate NPC for this suggestion. EDIT 2: Due to ChainBreak and Lenneth's input, if the GM team will think that having an npc to fcp without any backlash besides the use of glistening coat, I would agree on having the npc charge a few zennies for each buff.

I can find time to piss off people soon. :D The only thing I don't have time is randomly wasting my supplies in fild

Well i have the highness for wiz, and I would definitely use it to troll people if I am allowed to.

PvP on sinx. And I mean serious pvp. I played sinx as a pvp character, I don't even break much and I find it hard to believe that you would think it is boring. I literally had tons of things to switch around when I was playing sinx compared to when I am playing biochem.

making the maps have no pk will help geared people than newbies. you have no guarantee that you can get the mvp down to 50% hp anyway, and geared people can do that faster than newbies.

That's why having a 2nd bow is needed for thana ds. DS snipers have more options on what cards to put in their accessories, while FAS is primarily stuck on ifrit cards if they want their damage to be constant.