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Updated with Hokage Hat, Peacock Hat, and Thanatos Summon Scroll. Unfortunately the preview of the items was deleted so I'll work on them sometime.....And also can this be moved to the Guides forum?

I'd say either a slot or increase to 30% reflect. It definitely needs improved, right now there is no real reason to ladder for raws other than looks.

Slow Grace>Speed Pot>15% Walking Speed. And no 23% is not worth it, with avians at 15% with 5% more hp and elemental reducts? Raws need buffed also.

+15% walking speed doesn't seem like enough of a reason to spend a week laddering to me. Maybe something more on top of this? I'm really not sure what though.

Sounds good to me ;). But nah 10% more is the suggestion.

1. Me 2. Ami 3. Willis Can you really argue that those 3 aren't OP?

I'm not seeing the obvious reasons why it would be overpowered, if you could explain that would be nice. I agree with this also, even if you use this to get a champ out of a pneuma there is hardly enough time to do a few Double Strafes before they get behind another. And that is when you are using an Immaterial Arrow the entire time. When you are forced to use an Immaterial Arrow, Skid Trap, Arrow Shower, switch to a new arrow, and finally get around to Double Strafe them they will definitely have the pneuma back up.

Hmm I say use LoD's for coma, but I agree with ifrits/IP. Ifrits should just work for every class. And for the IP it wouldn't be any stronger than someone using a Thana on a Super Novice so why not.

Right now if you don't have a donation bow you are still completely screwed on sniper. With donation bow or not these suggestions are still a sure bet for me: 1. Pouring cards working for bow type weapons in general versus only a couple skills. Doesn't increase damage for Focus Arrow Strike, nor Double Strafe so no problem here. 2. Ankle Snare. You shouldn't be able to slide/snap out of these, they are traps thus you should be trapped in them. Donation bow doesn't change this. 3. Ranged Strip...This could be questionable with the donation bow autocasting all types of strip. One idea I thought of was making the long range strip work at like a 5-7 cell max. The current range of a bow is like 14 cells which could be a bit ridiculous being stripped from outside your line of sight with the donation bow. But still I am for this especially to help those still using an elite bow. 5. Phantasmic Arrow. I've dueled champs with and without the donation bow, and if they are smart they can always stay in a pneuma regardless of being stripped or not. Snipers need a way around this. 6. I seriously think a sniper dagger should be added. Since elite bows are 2 handed and at this point long range strip doesn't work so snipers need something to switch to that has increased weight limit and the ability to wear a shield. 7/8. The elite bow still needs buffed. I know Genesis doesn't want to buff the elite weapons but at LEAST make it 1 handed. About #4 Double Strafe. I don't really think this should be buffed for Donation bow users since they have a nice 40% bonus but it would still be nice to see some sort of improvement for this on elite bows. Just wanted to keep this topic alive, the donation bow is nice but it doesn't fix everything.

I have been suggesting a melee weapon for strength build stalkers for awhile. I feel that stalkers have tons of different possible builds but are limited to Bow/Magic based ones because they have no weapon for melee damage. I think that if the "Poking Stick" were to be implemented it should just be another version of the Black Sword similar to how sinx have Dex/Crit and there should be corresponding elite/rental weapons. These are the stats I've suggested for the elite/rental/donation stalker swords.

Yeah I can be...aggressive sometimes about stalker. So sorry about that. I like the idea of 10% reducts and 10% damage increase especially if the reductions were coded the same way as the 20% to prevent it from being too high (still not entirely sure what they did here but it works) I'd still prefer 20% damage rather than any reductions but like you said if this must be done to compromise then I am fine with it.

Okay... let's see here... Have fun stripping a 300 dex stalker on any class but stalker or clown/gypsy/sniper. WS breaks at a super shitty rate so that is rarely an option. FCP>both of these. A stalker can wear ED/Tao which>Freeze and Stone Curse. OR even ED/RSX if you don't want to get FCP and yes you can still easily tank an asura with this. Even if clowns force you to GTB their AV STILL SUCKS. You may not have a fluffy so you don't see this but me taking 3k AVs with a GTB on? That's just a little ridiculous. Profs? GTB>Them everytime. They will never strip a 300 dex stalker's shield and the strip will last all of 1/2 a second. And their damage is awful against these reductions. Also with the donation bow stalkers aren't worthless without their copied skill since they can always use DS. Paladins can't reflect Double Strafe last time I checked even then Strip+Freeze Arrow>Reflect if you were using sacrifice. You don't have a fluffy/Sgw Xtopher so your reductions really aren't overpowered. That 10% more makes a giant difference. I NEVER SAID MY DAMAGE WAS HORRIBLE. It CAN be good in the right situations but it is so easily countered. With FCP you can just go with no ghostring and some reductions and dex stalkers are taken care of, for sacrifice just wear immunes and ghostring and their damage is in fact, horrible. Would 20% really be that much of an increase? NO. Read my first post again and look at the difference there. It would be like maybe 1k more per DS. I'm not even asking for much. "omgz I can't do uber dmg to you therefore you're OP"?<-- I don't see how asking that people can do more than 2k per hit to me with most skills and like 50k? with asura is me complaining about not being able to do uber damage. I'm argueing against my favorite class and a build I use myself so don't compare me to Assassins/Champs who may be complaining about this. Not that they don't have a legitimate arguement also. Assassins SHOULD be able to do high damage to people, that's their whole job pretty much same with champions. Even at normal 90% full reducts their damage is total shit, but at least other people on these huge reductions can't really fight back. With stalker on these reductions I take half as much as with a combat knife AND I can still double strafe, BB, and sacrifice you if I please. You also completely ignored the fact that the donation bow would need some increase if the reduction were removed. Also the donation bow is exactly like the elite/rental bows..have you looked at their stats? Elite: +15 dex, +15 agi, 15% more on demihumans, 10% more hp. 2 handed Rental: +20 dex, +20 agi, 20% more on demihumans 10% more hp. 1 handed. Donation: +30 dex, +30 agi, 30% more on demihumans 20% more hp, 20% reduction. 1 handed. <-other than the reduction the stats of the donation bow are EXACTLY 2x the elite bow. o and you can't asura on a bow and ifrits take ten years to asura so an asura build would probably not work well.. Also the only reason your damage is probably more than LKs and Pally's is because you have access to the Kobold Hat. And once again I repeat Stalker's are meant to AVOID being hit. Not sit there and tank everything.

I believe that stalkers should have their survivability from being able to avoid being hit in the first place, not because they have massive reductions/massive hp. They already had very good survivability before the new weapon was released so I don't think this would detract from their survivability any, just put it in line with where already was. I'm also suggesting a damage boost for two reasons one because their damage seriously is not good and adding 20% wouldn't give them anywhere near the damage output of a double dagger sinx. The second reason is other than the reduction there isn't anything about the donation bow that really sets it apart from the rental bow, and the elite bow is 2 handed while the donation bow is 1 handed. I think that something would needed to be added to balance out the removal of the reduction. The reduction really needs to go, yes I realize there are ways around it (coma being the main one) but not every class is capable of forcing them onto GTB rather than their Usakoring Shield. Also other than Tarot Coma most ways to coma a person can take a very long time and how are you going to get enough hits off on a stalker to even cause coma to happen? It really makes no sense that I can go with over 90% reductions and not even have a serious reduction in my damage output. No other class can really do anything with Full Reductions, minus maybe a Full Reductions Tarot Clown/Gypsy, so why should stalker? Really, go see how much damage you do to me when I put on a Santa Poring Hat, Fluffies, an Usakoring F.Shield, and my donation bow. It's a little ridiculous. Even if I don't choose to go with these full reductions I already have 20% reductions at all times, with just a F.Shield w/usakoring on I have 75% already. This would be like me using fluffies/sgw and combat knife at all times, but instead I still have pretty solid damage output. Hell with full reductions I don't even need rays/devs or a ghostring to survive an asura...really that is just silly.

Yeah, no. This would definitely hurt the server. What would prevent someone from breaking the rules and getting banned if they could just pay for the ban to be removed? And if someone was really willing to pay to return to the server, couldn't they just play from say a different IP on a new account and donate to help get back into the server? This really would not be good for the server at all...if you have the money to pay to remove the ban, seriously what would stop you from breaking whatever rule you want? It would just put you above the law.

Yeah this really could just be everyone's own opinion. I'm going for the damage boost for two main reasons. One Stalkers are still basically worthless against FCP as far as killing other people goes (well geared people) so this would definitely help in those situations to be able to put a decent dent in their hp. And two stalkers were never really meant to be a "tanking" class, only when Tao was buffed could Stalkers reach such high levels of hp. So I disagree with having a reduction since Stalkers are meant to be an elusive class that avoids damage as much as possible not takes a ton of hits while tanking through it. Which is why they have access to Hide, Chase Walk, and Backslide to make them very difficult to attack consistantly. Stalkers are sposed to run instead of tank and the donation bow really doesn't do too much more damage than the elite and rental bow.

I moved this from the new update's thread since it was really more of a suggestion. I have been borrowing someone's stalker bow for a couple days now and the reductions are a little ridiculous..I used combat knife/usakoring shield/fluffies/santa poring hat and then tried with the bow instead of combat knife, the damage I was taking split in half. This reductions=about 95% based on this. I agree with this being nerfed but the damage I think needs buffed a little. Right now the huge benefits from the bow are the reductions and of course the fact that it is 1 handed. I compared the damage between the elite bow and the donation bow and my Double Strafe damage increased about 1k per hit on someone with a shield while I was using 2x Pourings AND a Kobold Archer Cap. Personally I don't think this damage difference is enough between the elite bow and the donation bow. So yes the reduction should be nerfed but the damage modifier should be increased some to make it worth it really worth donating for. I compared the damage of the elite, rental, donation bows once again with Pourings, Kobold, and ghost arrow on ghost armor with F.Shield w/usakoring. Elite: 8.8-8.9k per hit with DS Rental 9.1k Donation: 9.9k So perhaps add 10-20% more damage with bow type weapons to the donation bow this would make the DS damage be about 10.8k or 11.8k per hit. I'd personally go for 20% because you have to remember this is pretty much full damage on just a F.Shield with usakoring and Ghostring Armor. In a situation with an elemental arrow vs. Double Tao with no pourings and no kobold the damage would be like this: Elite: 4.9k Rental: 5k Donation: 5.3k With 10% increase: 5.8k With 20% increase: 6.3k Like I said I say remove the reduction but add a 20% bonus to bow type weapons.

Moving this post to suggestions.

1. Yes definitely all of the elite bows too, Not just stalker. You seriouisly cannot compete with 2 handed bows anymore. 2.This could be useful to avoid item loss from the rental weapons. Although it would pose a problem for those who want to use a Thanatos Card in their weapon. 3. I also agree with this. The current elite weapons are so far off from the donation weaopns. 4. It would give a good reason for people to continue to vote even after they have the items they wants, and of course make them untradeable so that this couldn't be abused. 5. If this is at all possible that would make things so much safer for using the rental weapons. You never know when you could lose power/internet and be forced to lose possibly even a thana. Sorry about only having 1 line, didn't realize it did that.

Perhaps the increased zeny could be given as the character changes their job. Like... Novice->First Class=25,000 First Class->Second=50,000 Second->Rebirth=100,000 High Novice->Rebirth First Class=25,000 Rebirth First->Trans Second=250,000 Maybe even more zeny than that but something like that possibly.

I used an ungeared stalker with 0 dex (minus the job bonus) and with the donation bow I had 187 attack, and I put on the elite bow and added 15 dex (to compensate the difference between the two) and had 187 attack also. So I'm thinking that they are both 120, judging from the fact that every 10 dex gives a bonus to attack so it would be 120+30+~10 from bonuses=160 when wearing the bow with no outside dexterity at all.

Can the stalker bow's be increased to 120 (same as elite bow) Right now it is at 15.