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How about reducing the auto cast of Tarot Card to 10% only when attacking. In addition we give 10% hp/sp and 20% more damage with bows (this would help in PVE as well as PVP). Is this more agreeable?

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You can mvp Thanatos with Stalker/Clown/Gunslinger/Professor/Wizard as well. If you're trying to out dps Snipers then your best bet is Gunslinger/Professor/Stalker. I've been killing them with my Stalker fairly regularly.

It's true that it fails a lot but at a 30% chance when being hit and while hitting it is successful enough to make a battle very one sided. The clown is spitting out ranged damage at 195 attack speed so he's landing multiple hits per second which makes this 30% chance a big deal and if he's being hit then the opponents quick hits will also trigger this 30% chance as well. To add more, if the clown is using any sort of reflect damage gear then each reflected piece of damage also has a 30% chance of triggering the Tarot because it is technically considered damage ouput via the Clown. So to put this simply he's attacking with a 30% chance of Tarot, reflecting with a 30% chance of Tarot, and being attacked at a 30% chance at Tarot. The 30% may seem like a small percent chance but given our high attack speed and hits per second are so high it is pretty much as sure thing that you're going to be spammed with Tarot while fighting a clown. Coma isn't the only crippling Tarot effect. The Clown is also zaping your sp, killing you attack power, breaking shields/helmets, stone cursing, and removing buffs/dispelling. I simply do not see how it is fair for the class to be able to automatically cast these status effects at such a rate. If you think that my suggested changes are too harsh I can respect that but please provide more specific alternatives. Honestly, I would have preferred it Clowns if had received a Valkyrie Guitar that boosted their damage/hp/sp a bit rather than a bow that can do all the fighting for the user. Would really like to hear from more people. Keep the comments coming guys I appreciate it.

As everyone has mentioned I think it would be fair to put it up to 150%.

If you want to nerf mvps I agree with nerfing some of them, but not all of them. Things like Thana, Detale, RSX should be left as they are.

****EDIT**** Changed my opinion on this topic. See post below.

The two are very different. 1. Paladins don't reflect as many status effects as tarot does. 2. Paladins will never coma at as high a rate when attacking as the Soaring Bird does. Paladin reflect is the result of you hitting them, the Soaring bird auto casts Tarot when they are hitting you as well. 3. When you attack a reflect Paladin you can nerf your own damage or increase your own hp to counter the reflect, or even spam yggs. With coma you can not do this: It doesn't matter how much hp you have or how much damage you do, if you get coma auto casted on you and the Clown is shooting you then you WILL die. Hell, he doesn't even have to be shooting you if he's wearing any reflect damage items the reflected damage + coma card will instantly KO you. 4. Paladins do not have another strong source of self defense other than reflecting damage. Clowns can manually spam Tarot or Vulcan all day. 5. Paladins are easily stripped. You can divest their gear or even dispel their reflect. Clowns have a lot of dex and thus will be difficult to strip, and dispelling will do nothing.

I decided not to comment when it was first released because I felt it deserved a shot. I gave it time before making a conclusion, unlike a lot of people who jumped all over specific weapons complaining about them being "op". The thing is, I honestly do not feel this bow is balanced. The stalker bow gave/gives nice damage reductions, sure. The sniper bow gives the ability to use shield and do massive damage output, sure. But the clown/gypsy bow does all the work for the user. All you have to do is slap on some basic generic reduction items and wait for coma... there's no skill required there... How is it fair for an opponent to just drop dead because of auto-coma? I don't mind normal tarot as much because it requires the player to actually spam it on me and I can switch back and forth with Usak and GTB, it's not being automatically spammed while the clown/gypsy is also shooting me.

Leaving it at 30% when being hit is going to leave it just as over powered. How is any class supposed to truly fight you if you're automatically throwing up tarot cards at a 30% chance while simultaneously doing damage. The opponent won't even have a chance to berry when the coma card pops up and if he dares where GTB he's toast.... I just don't agree with the fact that the weapon can do all the work for you...

As I see more and more of these bows come into play I feel that I can not be the only one that feels it is a bit over powered. For Gypsy/Bard: Agi + 25, Dex + 25 +20% damage to demihumans +20% damage with double strafe 30% Chance of auto-casting Lv. 5 Tarot Card of Fate when being attacked (or attacking) The agi/dex/+20%'s are fine.... but the 30% chance of automatically casting Tarot Card of Fate seems like a little much to me. A clown can slap on any reflect gear while just standing still and if you're hitting it the bow will kill you alone. I'm all for boosting classes and for fair balance but this seems a little overboard to me that a weapon can do all the killing without any input from the user. They don't even have to target you to kill you. Of course you can default gtb when attacking, but any decent clown would either take this opportunity to spam Double Strafe or quickly switch to instrument and use Vulcan Arrow doing tons of damage. I would like to suggest that the 30% auto cast be nerfed down to 5% and in return give clowns 10% more hp and sp. You're thoughts and contributions are much appreciated!

That's what I'm saying... having people beat on your door must really break that clarity of mind though :dry:

^ We can only hope. It would be a blessing and a curse... I would have to make about 3x armor/cloak/shoe.... and just making 2 shields is rough haha.

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Well, lets face it... when you're mvping your either going to wear a gtb or an alice and if you're using gtb and you're shield breaks you're pretty much toast... And as for pvp... clowns can auto tarot now with the new bow so they are coma'ing, breaking headgear/shield, etc.. while simultaneously doing damage and if your shield breaks, regardless of if it's Usakoring or GTB you're probably going to die. The shield is nice, there's no argument there... but it's supposed to be the end all "God" shield.. I mean a Goddess makes it for you... much like the Valkyrie weapons, so I don't see why it should be breakable. Jorge is right, it takes about 17k+ items to make the shield and as far as I know theres only a handful of people making them... maybe 6-7?... So why not add another incentive? I don't think it's too much.

I would like to suggest that the Frigg's King Shield be unbreakable like the Valkyrie weapons. This would help out a lot with MVPing as well as with dueling a specific class that tends to break shields (Clowns/Gypsies) which would give players another incentive to do the quest! I would have posted this in the other Shield thread but the topics are completely different. Looking forward to you input!

GR card nerfs shield chain (Rapid Smiting) by like 500%... and this was only tested on Stalker, Paladins are probably nerfed even more.... I know theres script for changing the element of weapon/armor... is it possible to do this for shield? Or as suggested I guess increase the damage % bonus. I don't think we should increase the shields weight too much, its at 150 atm I would say 250 tops... remember some classes don't use str and are restricted in the weight area.

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I've noticed this too. It seems to happen when I'm using the launcher and not the patcher.

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