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Kafra band is easily countered, a ring on an SN is not. While kafra band might give better matk, the bonus on the rings for SN is better in a lot of ways. I deal 4-8k bolts and 25k-40k mammos on my hybrid(i just tested). That damage is not high and not too low either. Keep in mind I do not have prof cursed ring so I can't test on that. full int builds of SN are so easy to kill that increasing their matk is pointless on a 1v1 situation. Again, the problem arises when people that went on hybrids wore rings. I can effectively increase my bolt damage to near that of an int build(sometimes even more) and yet have comparable mammo damage to a biochemist that uses jrage. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. Hybrids are not supposed to deal huge damage on both magical and physical. This is not counting mind breaker of course. Also, let us not compare figures and eliminating stuff that can be used. We should compare stuff when they are at it's utmost potential. Never compare figures when one side is definitely favorable. Of course a prof with full gears will have higher matk, it is an int class. But does that mean it will beat the SN? Tons of stuff in your sample calculations are missing. 1. Stat build of the SN 2. Stat build of the Prof 3. Cards used 4. Gears used 5. Strategy and use of the class Comparing them using JUST the matk is pointless. That's like saying my soul linker is better than both that prof and SN because I had 22k matk on it. And you are also sugar coating it a bit. Of course, an SN using int belts and just ring will seem not OP in terms of damage. What about SN that is fully geared with a weapon for magic and mammonite(one thana and one non- thana), urds/lokis with imp/siroma cards, has kafra band to switch to when needed and has rings? My SN is fully geared but without the ring, I was never called OP in fild. Which led me to believe that the ring gives a lot of bonuses that people noticed it already. Maybe it isn't clear. We are not talking about JUST the matk of SNs using rings. We all know matk does a random damage depending on the range of its matk. We are talking about being able to increase the magic and physical damage of SN WITHOUT having disadvantages. Kafra band has a big disadvantage so that is out of the question. One more thing: SNs have carts. They do not have to deal with the fact of not having enough seeds. And most can get high str + increase weight limit as well. I probably just have to point out my arguments here, since we might go in circles. 1. The rings gives bonuses to certain classes, the devs didn't count on it being used for SN, hence with the bonus on the rings, SN became more OP than it already is. They are not supposed to wear the rings in the first place, removing it will not hinder SN in any way. 2. Removal of the rings for SN is just the first step on balancing the class. 3. If i can have my way, I will reduce the bonus given by tgk card along with it. 4. Limiting skill points for SN should also be considered. They get 2k stat points and we give them buffs and stuff?

Really fun to play. In most times, it is better to use soul linker than wizard. a decently geared soul linker can go toe to toe with profs as well. And also, asura champs are pretty much dead fighting you.

My stalker has around 280k hp though. So I kinda see where they are going when they say they are like a semi-tank. Besides my LK and pally and of course SN, my stalker probably has the highest hp. I seriously suggest putting arrow shower skill on the ring.

I find that hard to believe. I used SN, and killed people when I only used piamette ears, rucksack and urds. They do not need more damage. I don't think 4-8k bolts will "tickle", and that is on 10k matk. Compared to profs and wizards, SN hp makes it so that they are not vulnerable to maya. With their skills and stat build, they can fight gtb users very easily. They do not need increase in mammo and matk from the rings, the rabbit does that. They have lot of stat points to distribute. They only need 99 vit and they are set. That leaves room for high str and decent int. FBH card works for them unlike in profs, that instantly translates to 20% matk, and they don't need to switch shoes just to gain the 50% more damage from fbh(profs needs to switch to fbh when using stave). I assume the 40k+ mammo uses thanatos card. That's high, considering I hit 50k on average with my biochemist, and I have jrage. And why compare mammo to bowling bash? LKs uses high str to gain that damage, you only need a few amount to gain comparable damage. You can go high str and I am pretty sure your mammo would outdamage bowling bash. 3-4k bolts just by using INT belts? SN got lvl 10 bolts, so that translates to 40k damage each cast. Doesn't this just prove that they do not need the bonus from the rings since if you used urds with imp/siroma cards the damage would be huge? They are also the only class with very high hp that is isn't countered by thanatos card. The only class besides Paladins that do not need to default GR. They already have tons of advantages, letting them wear class specific ring due to a buff is overkill. We only had this problem WHEN people used the rings. If that isn't the issue, they would have voiced out their opinions earlier. They should have voiced out their opinions much, much earlier when I am using SN with Eidelic Wing if the HP and imp/siroma cards were the issue. I do agree on one thing though, SN needs to be nerfed in a lot of areas. The hp given by tao is too huge, their ability to wear rings with the buff, their ability to gain every first job skill, and a lot more. It is true that we need to address the issue of balance to this class. But imo, the first step there is to fix the issue with the rings, then the hp given by tao and then limiting their skill points. But that's just me. tl;dr The issue is the rings, else people have voiced out their opinions years ago when the buff on tao + urds + 2k stat points are all in the game.

SN is already strong enough without needing rings. They become OP the moment they used the rings that have bonuses not intended for the SN class. That is the main point here. I do not really see them needing rings. I don't even have problems with their flee. It's their ability to dish out tons of damage while having near paladin hp without using too much vit that is the problem. And not letting them wear the class specific rings solves this issue. Their biggest asset is not being able to equip anything, it is their HP and skills. Keep in mind that soul link isn't supposed to be readily available(we have it cuz we can dual client). Also, they are supposed to be able to wear them WHILE having the buff. At the moment, they can wear it even if the buff is gone. Again, as I said before, it isn't a nerf if we remove their ability to wear stuff that are not intended for them. Rings give buffs to the classes that wear them, because they need it. They created the stats of the rings not considering if an SN wears it. Imo, they should put a different effect if an SN wears a ring.

Of all the things you can copy as a stalker, you take grandcross? Would have taken kamaitachi from ninja class if I were you.

I pvp fine on my soul linker using legendary staff. Deal comparable damage to some profs(although i do not have double bolt so my damage is cut by 50%), i have the edge of reflecting some magic and jumping around to avoid dying, and when i do die, i have one chance to resu. Add the fact that almost no asura champ can touch you(dual OL armor, they hit, they die, you resu). The bad thing is the horrible hp. But that is to be expected since SL got a lot of skills to make him alive.

I came from low rates too way back in 2007. My advice is read all the information first. We got good guides made here, choose what you fancy. Don't hesitate to ask, but try to do it in the forums since some people in game are a bit elitist. At least here some people like me can answer faster since we do not need to be in game.

^ Yeah i see the problem there, since even some LKs can tank on gtb shield. Then I firmly suggest my other option, put the hp debuff like in the sinx blades to SN's. That way, when they can still wear the rings and whatnots, but get penalized by low hp. I think that balances it out. Want uber damage, go ring but lose hp. Want tanky and have moderate damage, don't use rings.

As some of the GM say, being specific helps a lot. What kind of wings? What are the effects?

The problem arises when the link is gone and the items are still equipped. This shouldn't be an issue if the items are automatically removed upon losing the link. If it is possible to automatically remove the items when the link is gone, then that would be the solution. Else, impose a debuff similar to what we have on sinx when they wear two blades. Make SN lose a huge amount of HP when using class specific rings and valkyrie weapons.

Not gonna work. If I would want to warp then I would just stop hitting and spam warp until it works.

Disagree, kaite and kaupe is a self buff, safety wall needs to be casted on the floor and your wiz/prof/priest has to stand in it. Besides, you can leap if you need to.

Just follow the guide in the wiki. If it is a monster drop, use @whodrops <item name> command. Example: @whodrops jellopy

Yep, it is indeed the UAC settings. Thanks Bishop! Kindly close this to avoid confusion, thanks :)

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What do you mean acid bomb type? That's basically an INT biochemist, which if you read the guide is actually the very first part.

I was actually gonna say that. :D

If only we had the costume system of the renewal Shane, there would be no problem. :(

They did it with the drake jackets though. They do have a different color, but it's basically the same idea.

put str first (like 200) then reset after

Since when sinx is a squishy class? Seriously though, all the blade needs is the 10% cast delay reducts so that Soul Breaker can be spammed. Other than that, it is decent. I didn't say i put like 200+ int, you just have to find a balance between str and int, using the formula of the skill itself. I don't say no to the changes on the dagger, however, if that happens the other 2 daggers might become useless.

It fits certain classes better, same with the infernal capes and rings. I don't see anything wrong really.

Well, I will be the one to explain it well. GTB card effect is this: "Nullify all magic spells, including supportive skills, that target the owner at the cost of doubling SP Consumption cost when using skills." Read the part I put it in bold text. As you see, only those that target the owner are nullified. If the bolt is reflected on you, that magic isn't targeted against you, as you targeted another player, it just so happens to be reflected. Therefore, I see no need to change GTB to protect against reflected magic as well.

Yeah me too, im so rusty playing, even on biochem. But then again, we really rarely pvp seriously. I have seen Xtopher and Supreamus as well, and yeah I agree that they are really good. But all of you are inactive :D