Rayray

It will be easy enough to get the aura in the game if the files were out on public.

There is no need for you to become an "official helper" just to help the server. That title you are wanting will also lead to unwanted attention(that is why they do not reveal who becomes a GM). Just keep on reporting and the GM team will do their job.

That's a poor choice of a handgun for a soldier imo. Which army did he enlist on? My cousin is in the US Marines and I never saw him with .45

Some people are just greedy eh?

How in the hell were those two in the same place? Why would you eat with a .45 caliber weapon on your left hand side O_O.

No for me as well. I can leave 5 pcs at work online and just afk, randomly checking every hour if needed.

I actually thought it was a copypasted trolling post from 4chan or reddit.

They are not obligated to reimburse the cost of gaming gears, are you nuts? I doubt anyone here who have gaming stuff bought them SPECIFICALLY for this RO(I know I don't). It's not like FRO advertised the use of them anyway. And again, it is still an edge of having the gaming gear even without the macro as their response time to each keystroke is a tad better than normal hardware. Banning of macros is a good call imo. Crap, you beat me to it.

Not saying anything against this statement cuz i never see the guy so I won't comment against him. But the one I put in bold is something you should never let a stranger do. Hell, if you let me do that, I could fry up the pc within minutes. I just laughed a bit due to that statement.

Vera explained it well. So I am not gonna bother with the specifics on how it will not affect players with high ping. Just think of it this way: Has anybody actually complained with the spam rate of Spiral Pierce being slow? None. So, as Genesis said in a previous post that most of the skills will get what they did to spiral pierce, I don't think it will have a negative effect on people who play legit.

This type of delay was what I was saying a few posts ago. I do not really know WHY IN THE HELL some people will think that I want hard delays on skills when I specifically said that I won't support it in the first post. This is asking the community WHAT SKILLS should this kind of delay be applied to first so that we get rid of the cheaters faster, as Genesis himself said so right now that it takes time to do it. 1. Then we have no problem there. 2. Genesis already said what exactly my suggestion would want. Thank you for giving it a -1. 3. Again, Genesis said it, he will match server side and client side delay so that using 3rd party programs will be pointless and just a waste of pc resources 4. Look at Spiral Pierce. You won't feel it now but what I wanted done to other skills have been done to it already. 1. No, some people just don't know/don't have gears to use star glads and other characters in woe while sniper and sinx work with just knight and legendary gears. 2. Again, are you saying that at this point no one knows how to use Battle Chant and Tarot correctly? 3. Game rules are the law, not guidelines. If they are guidelines, people won't get banned. With your statement here, you actually prefer to have botters,phpers,and 3rd party software users in the game then to have a decent gaming environment? And who am I gonna play with after that? the decent players of course, which i know a lot are in the server. Why do you think that a lot of players are actually cheating then? when there are only a handful of them compared to the decent ones?

we keep breaking it? It was broken to begin with, regarding the desperado spam. And, I hope you do remember, I fought for at least 80% after cast delay, when it was 75% at the first wave of the nerf. That's the highest we can do as Genesis will not allow any more than that. No matter how hard you fight for it, the spam rate of desperado was broken, no point denying it. If you are indeed referring to the main post, I clearly said what I wanted to do in there. EDIT: I NOW PUT IT IN BIGGER FONT, MADE IT BOLD AND HAVE IT UNDERLINED. I was already saying that we do not need to put huge/hard delays on everything. What we need is to put a certain delay that makes it so that BN users will not benefit from it, and normal users will not feel it as much(like on what happened to spiral pierce's delay)

Woah woah woah, slow down guys. THE OBJECTIVE OF THIS THREAD IS TO FIND OUT WHAT SKILLS ARE MOSTLY USED BY CHEATERS. THIS IS TO HELP THE GM TEAM, PARTICULARLY GENESIS SINCE HE DOES NOT PVP IN THE SERVER AND WOULD NEED OUR INPUT. I have to make it clear I guess. All I want is a list of skills so that can be looked into. Nothing more, nothing less. I already said in the main post that putting hard delays on everything is not the answer to this. This still sounds you are still not getting over the delays on gunslinger. Dude, we have no hope on that regard, Genesis already said that he is not gonna give back the old spam. You know fully well that we tried. And if you think everything is fine, please use star gladiator for pvp. 1. Star Glads, Priest and ninjas are in no way useless in woe, just less used. Especially that few knows how to build star glads for breaking(and it is easier to break with sinx with all the donation stuff you can get for it). They just aren't used much. I see a few ninjas before who are good defenders due to final striking breakers. No one does that now because everyone is on spamming kunai in every situation. 2. This server is up for 7 years. You imply that in those years, NO GUILD actually found out how to use those two skills? People know how to use those two skills, but they do not dictate how WoE can be won with just those two skills. 3. Adapting for cheaters is accepting the cheats as legit and part of the game. I would never accept that. Maybe you can, but not me. Sure, I can fight and win most pvp fights with people who have "legit" spam due to gaming gear(as they want to claim), but that still does not make it ok for the whole community. If it does, why the hell are we making rules regarding them?

This is also the issue I see in here. Putting a delay that would be noticeable would stop cheaters but hit everyone else. If the spam is not as fast in the first place, it would definitely not be advisable to put a delay on there. This is what I want: Have small delay, like the one on spiral which is barely noticeable unless you played the lk class, just enough that when people use cheats, they spam at least close to the ones that does it legit. I am not sure if that is possible though. @Forum~ that first video definitely is not legit. His DS looks the same as my acid bomb spam. I would report that honestly.

I only made this suggestion in line with Genesis' last reply on the other thread regarding client side and server side delays. At this point, I believe we have no choice but to try to lessen the spam of most, if not all, of the skills. I honestly wouldn't want it to go that way either. Spiral Pierce already had its server side delay increased, and yet we do not feel it much. If the same treatment of those other skills that got their delay increased a bit like Spiral be applied to the others just to make 3rd party programs unusable, I'll support it. If,however, it breaks the class due to a huge increase in delay, that would be the problem. Again, not supporting a hard delay like what happened before to soul destroyer. I was plainly wanting to get a list of all the skills that are problematic, as said so by the community. I am not as active as I once was were so I can only give examples from the few classes I use, mainly Bio, Stalker, WS, Prof, Soul Linker and Wizard. I'm pretty much neutral here and will list the skills up in the first post if at least a legit reasoning is said. As I always said before, the way to have these people who uses 3rd party software be banned is to ban all 3rd party software, and that includes legit Macros bundled with gaming gears. Because at this moment, cheaters will constantly use that as an excuse. I see no reason not to remove macros honestly. 1. WAT. I see absolutely no reason for a skill like tarot to be banned in WoE. 2. Seems fine, if you use a character that has around 250-300k hp you will think that getting hit by SB will kill you. But as I tested before against a sinx who uses sb with a weird spam(he's banned now), dying to SB in an instant when you are using a pally with WTF HP seems overboard. With that said, SB is a good candidate as 3rd party software users push its already high damage to ridiculous amounts. 3. WAT. same reaction with your tarot comment dude. I actually do not agree much with CT, nor any other skill here. I just see a bit of their reasoning for it as I have seen them being spammed at ridiculous speed. Especially DS and FAS when Drax is still here. The problem with catching the users is they come up with the excuse of "using gaming gear and wtfast". It is really hard at the moment to distinguish legit users from cheaters. Therefore my other suggestion is to actually just ban all macros.

I was only up to making AV increase the limit to 4 if we nerf tarot If not, then I am not going to support that. Yeah BB is situational and can only be used well in WoE, where rampant users of cheats are easily known. We only need one GM to watch one WoE to weed them out. Super Babies died down I think when something was removed on their weapons(I think it was the reduce on delay.

They can only function in WoE as taroters due to AV having a maximum of 3 AVs per spam. So yeah, If we can increase that to 4-5(5 needs some tests first to make it not OP), then we can slowly put a hard delay on tarot. I don't know about you guys, but I love the clown class, but it bores me to death whenever I can only win with Tarot or get lucky on the switch to my thana weapon and enemy using gr armor and no skolls.

SB for sinx should have 3-4 maximum linked spam on my ping which is around 150. I don't know if others get higher than that. Kinda like how I can only link 3 AVs then the animation sets in. Bolts are definitely out of this suggestion, profs only seem to spam them fast due to double bolt and the delay reduce from Super Babies before, which I think was already fixed. Anybody have experience with AV on low ping? Every clown or gypsy i fought rely on tarot due to the fact that 3 AVs will hardly kill anyone even on thana. I think this is one of the skills that we should reduce the delay a bit, at least make it so that clowns can hit 4 AVs constantly, anything more might seem overkill. That's my opinion though, and as I said, my ping is a bit high. If low ping players can spam 5-6 AVs then consider my suggestion null. I just thought that if we can make AV viable, then we can slowly nerf Tarot.

I can see the reasoning for BB. Bolts, not so much as it is easily counterable. I cannot spam mammo well due to the ping. I guess this comes from people abusing it on super babies?

I was thinking of those as well. I think CT only needs 2 Kiel cards too, which can be a problem. I know you have low ping so you will have a better grasp at testing this than me. Although I have used DS and for a ping at 150+, I can spam it fast, so I see your point. I will keep editing the first post whenever something is suggested with proper reasons. I added the skills you said since I know they have been a problem before and I am not sure if it was addressed already.

I am making this topic in line with Genesis' reply on the suggestion where people discussed 3rd party programs aiding spams. Seeing as some of our concerns were addressed already (like the LK Parry), let us help improve gameplay more. Making this topic, instead of multiple ones would make it easier , for the players and the GM team, to address said skills. What skills are commonly used by cheaters that needs some fixing? When I say fix, it does not necessarily mean we put huge delays on them, because this will kill the class. Also, what skills need to have a reduced delay(there are some)? Please keep it civilized too thanks. Skills that supposedly need server-side delay 1. Double Strafe* 2. Cart Termination* 3. Focused Arrow Strike* 4. Sonic Blow 5. Bowling Bash** Skills that need fixing on their delay 1. Arrow Vulcan*** *- as pointed out by Airi. Putting hard delays on these skills will break the class that uses them as these are the only skills they can use. Which makes them tentative on this list or would need a different approach. **- You can only see how ridiculous the spam of BB in WoE or against walled opponents. ***- AV can only be spammed a maximum of 3x(rarely). This cannot kill anyone. It needs to be increased a bit so that people will stop relying on tarot to kill with the clown/gypsy class. ALTERNATE SUGGESTION This comes from me alone unless you guys will support it. Ban all macros, even those that come with gaming gear. This makes it so that cheaters, once caught, cannot use it as an excuse, and makes it that everyone is on equal grounds in terms of spam. I have gaming gear, but never used the macro that comes with it as I find it boring to play RO with macros. To the people that will say that it makes their gaming gear useless, not really. Gaming gear has better response time than normal hardware. It does improve your spam a bit, hardware wise.

Some of them cheating bastards are still not good players though, but they still need to be kicked out of this server. Cannot count how many times I killed someone with a weird spam due to him only spamming and me slapping on ring of resonance.

I find it funny that nerd is being considered as an offensive term. Anyway.. It is true that there are some ways to bypass Harmony but not everyone can and will do it. Still, for a 200$, you kinda get your money's worth(if what they claim are all true). Even if you can bypass it, it will be plain obvious due to these reasons: 1. Once harmony is implemented, it will take time for someone to bypass it. Meaning everyone will actually know how a skill is spammed. 2. If someone then finally bypass it, he will stick out like a sore thumb, which makes him easier to ban. I think harmony provides a hardware ban thingy. I doubt people will be able to play once IP and Hardware Ban are in place. Personally, I would want to ban all macros, including the ones that come with gaming keyboards. That way we cannot have that ridiculous "i have a gaming gear" excuse whenever someone gets banned. But I know everyone will rage about that.