Shadi

Lulz orange emp plz :p. Yay now you can see my avatar and sig =P See ya in-game xDD

Bumping the topic ><

A proper professor doesn't die vs a sinx when the sinx is using gtb. Safety wall would block 95% of all damage/hits + you can't get comad if the target is missing his/her hits O.o. Skoll + fking shield with usakoring and a fcp vs a whitesmith = Whitesmith is completely doomed and useless. Such a combination renders the entire WS class useless. On the other hand theres professors and high wizards that still have their defensive skills to be able to survive once they are countered. But whitesmiths don't have such surivability skills. This could be a idea , however a combination of a prof/wizard in woe would bring a huge amount of complaining. Also you and many others make the same mistake to try and start stripping people, professor is a defensive class. Start using it defensively. wait till the target grows tired of not being able to kill you and he'll switch to none-gtb aka double dagger or katar.

Double account won't get you energy coat and such. There's several skills in the list of buffs that you get that other players would never be able to get, which creates an unfair advantage, however the guild has payed to obtain these advantages. Whether or not the buffs are bit too much I'm not sure, I think they are. In woe I got one hitted by asura while I had devi/immune fking mant, ghost/highrisk fkarmor, and usakoring fkshield. Which seems a tad OP to me. Either way I say live with it for now. If it really turns out to be too much changes will most likely be made. But at least give it a shot the way it is right now.

Disagreed, Ninjas have huge survivability with their dodging skills already. Giving them such a huge amount of hp would make them invincible. Ninjas are a first class, hence why they also have lower hp. Yet their hp is still higher than whitesmiths one :3.

1 : stop exaggerating. You don't get edp with the buffing npc. 2 : Stop talking bull. You can't even know that he did 4mil damage , it only shows 1mil dmg max. 3 : Even though people exaggerated to the max in this topic I do agree with a slight nerf on the full buff npc. :3

Check the entry thread to see why you weren't included. As for my voting. I liked both Porinlgy and Deathina's entries ( I really have a thing for chibi's and handdrawn pics @.@; ) however I decided to vote for deathina because 1 : she drew the handrawn picture herself, 2 : created the background herself and 3: she colored it herself. While poringly used several sources to make his entry. Also I think Deathina's entry is very original compared to the others, since there are several soccer/football entries the boxing and tennis ones really stand out. Also the text and the drawn chibi's really jump out of the picture which is good because those should draw your attention. Reason for edit : Typo ^^;;

Improve concentration adds more damage the more dex you have, and it also adds flee, + falcon eyes also gives a huge damage boost. And even with Maximum over thrust , whitesmiths still do less damage than snipers AND they have to get close and melee at all times with a HP modifier that's the same if not LOWER than the snipers one. Please if you are talking about such 'amazing' skills think about the advantages you have as well since your damage is higher and it's ranged, + DS can be spammed extremely fast , faster than any other offensive skill.

I see no reason in dueling you, My point has been proven already and all other people except for you have agreed on the points made. (except for like 1-2 others that could not elaborate their opinion, hence why I don't count them)

True. The emperium can not be coma'd.

I vote for [ 11 ] Deathina, IGN: Terrisa Aiko. I found it very hard to decide who to vote for this round , two of the entries really got to me ( entries 3 and 11 ). I liked these because both used bright colors, and handrawn characters which made it look really cheerful, Yet I picked entry 11 because it shows 2 seasons which are the complete opposite of each other. One moment it's very warm and gentle, the next moment the same girl is cold and chilling. Even though it only shows 2 seasons it does perfectly represent these 2 seasons , and it makes me long for the warmth of Spring~

ROFL this would screw up whitesmiths even more, Like they're not weak enough already. Sorry but no, the GTB card already has enough disadvantages as it is.

The cards work fine, you just have to understand their effect That is true.

Bumping this topic. Also Adam, no useless posts please. Dueling a WS with a WS won't show how underpowered the WS class is ^^;

As stated before it's impossible to get a 40k ct on a normal geared player, and with your 105% reflect you'd die in a a single hit. Even if you get max vit and 2 skolls to make up for the hp loss by removing tao + you'd need the defence reduction. You'd also need to use firelock to get anywhere near decent hp which means no forsaken forger cards, which would mean another reduction in damage. At the same time you'll have low str since everything would be in vit to survive only a tad. At this very same time, supernovices just get a single change which makes them have 3x the HP whitesmiths will ever be able to get without a single stat point added to vit. I really really did rofl at this sentence. I'm sorry but it seems like you're the only one thinking Whitesmiths are decent atm. That should proof something already. Can't have all goodness.. True. But we shouldn't have all suckness either, and that's exactly what we have right now. I'd really just like a response from a head gm whether this suggestion or suggestions will be accepted or not.

Then you'd have at least like.. 300 vit. I have near 200 vit with tao and I reach 160k So without tao would require even more. Also if you wear firelock soldier cards (or vit belts) you'll never get a 40k CT on a sinx (none redux one). If the Sinx uses a shield he still does about 5x (if not more) the damage the Whitesmith does, and he'll have more hp as well. Do the math. ^^;; Anyway, so far there has only been ONE person against the suggestion that was able to elaborate , In other words I think the majority agrees with this suggestion. Any head GMs that could respond maybe ? :wink:

I vote for Deathina. First of all because it's hand drawn which takes a lot more effort, It also has a warm feeling to it , It's very cute and really does invite you to get online and actually play RO. Very much reminds me of the happy days on FRO.

ok then you'll have 160k or so. And your damage will be 0. All you'll be able to do is coma and reflect, and waste hundreds of yggs before the coma finally kicks in. Really is that the way you should play Whitesmith ? Seems even more underpowered to me than I already thought it was.

If you're going to use a double mirror armor don't expect your hp to get above 110k (max) , I think it would be rather hard to outygg a assassin cross without a shield with only 110k max hp. Besides just reflect won't kill anyone. Even if you'd be able to ygg fast enough to outygg the assassin cross damage without a shield (it's hard to enough to outygg it WITH a shield) then you'd still waste at least 250-300+ yggs to kill the assassin cross with the low coma rate our weapon has.

I vote for Deathina's art because I love how the angel & demon are combined with each other. The background patterns and the color scene look amazing and calming. Not to mention the entire drawing is just cute.

The last 2 posts didn't help us a lot. Please elaborate. Adam, Perhaps tell us why you think the WS class should stay this way ? And zaq please tell us why you agree and which change you'd like to see or if you were agreeing with Adam, and if you agreed with adam elaborate that as well please. Thank you :3.

To be fair 50 attack as a weapon card seems rather useless to me, especially when you compare it to cards such as goldenring that gives 25% more damage.. I don't think 50 atk gives us a near 25% damage boost. I would prefer a bigger damage boost over reducing the amount of zeny spend. Considering zeny is easy to hunt , though for the damage CT is currently doing the zeny you spend for it is a waste.

Thanks for the input so far. Seems like the majority agrees with me. Of course this topic will go on for a while longer so things might turn. However if it stays this way (the majority agreeing) we should see if we can agree on a certain change all together.

Thanks for the input so far all. Though bankai, could you elaborate a bit more why you think the whitesmith class is already good the way it is ? @Apo please stay on topic xD;

Well the topic is simple. I like the whitesmith Job, however I hardly see any of them. Why ? Personally I think it's because the whitesmith is left behind compared to the other classes. Take for example the tao gunka card changes. These have buffed several classes that were considered to have too less HP. But now the whitesmith which normally is quite a decent tanker has about the same hp as an wizard, which is supposed to be squishy. At this very moment wizards can survive more than whitesmiths. A whitesmith with 1 tao and 150 vit, has 10k more hp than an wizard with 150 vit and 1 tao. However if you change to two taos each the wizard will have MORE hp than the whitesmith, not to mention that they also have the energy coat skill so they also have more reductions. If a job would be this squishy you'd assume it would have an massive damage output. But no. It seems very much alike to the mage class (damage can get (nearly) nullified, if your enemy uses a usakoring shield your damage will be so low that you won't be able to kill anyone with it. Heck most classes can even easily outygg your damage without a shield. Basically once your target uses an usakoring shield your damage won't reach over 15k- 20k tops. (Whitesmith having max str + 2 str belts + 2frosaken king forger). What causes this low damage output ? First of all CT is completely based on the weight of your cart and your attack. Meaning cards such as turtle general and goldenring/fbh do not work to power up CT. Still our custom weapon gets a damage boost to demi human, a boost that does not influence our only proper damaging skill. We did get custom forsaken forger cards and they help. but still the damage is bad, on top of that we did get an improved custom anti-demi human card for in weapon (goldenring) but we didn't get any custom card or card change to raise attack more, therefore giving all classes that can use cards vs demi-human a boost compared to the whitesmith class. Now most weapon cards are useless for whitesmiths hence why many people tell whitesmiths to use icepicks. But as we all know, also ice pick damage can be nullified to nearly zero by getting an cheap skoll card. So what are possible solutions for this problem ? I've thought of a few. - Make a custom weapon card (or adjust Atroce card) to add more base ATK, for example Atroce card + 200atk. - Make a custom weapon card that increases Cart termination damage. - Increase whitesmiths cart weight so their damage of CT will be slightly improved. - Increase the effect of forsaken forger cards. - Increase the base hp of whitesmiths or give them an additional tao effect to increase their survivability - Add a big atk boost to the whitesmith weapon instead of the additional demi human damage. NOTICE : I am not asking for ALL of the above, I'm just stating possible changes to make the whitesmith class a tad better. Feel free to agree/disagree. If you do post please explain why you think the WS class should be adjusted or not and also add (if you want to adjust it) what change you'd prefer most. You are allowed to discuss but do not personally attack players in this topic + Follow the forum rules ! Regards, Shadi