Masahiro

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we know about the multiple account problem, but i did say the poll was a suppliment to the comments below and not to take it over, but to get a better idea on teh general consensus..idk someone who would something implimented so badly to make 100 different accounts? how can they when there will be a log of created accounts. also you have to register an email when making an account, so unless they make multiple emails, forum mods do not need to check IP adresses esp when 1 email can hold multiple accounts, just use that as the limiting factor if you can (i would not know), apart from all of that it would create more server interaction and the average Joe will now see on his broadcast : are you new to forsakenRo? Want to be part of the community? Why not introduce yourself on the forums! Take part in our Daily polls to help improve the server! we want to get to know you!, YOUR opinions matter, and not the 30something ppl active in forums daily. the myriad of accepted and rejected suggestions doesn't mean anything, i never said suggestions never got the Pass or Fail, what im saying is, only a select group of players determine them, and that can be changed. there are millions of people who could have the potential to have an opinion on an idea, but do not want to voice in words this idea. do you not elect a class president via a poll?, an average class may have 30 something people, why wouldnt ever1 just comment in a suggestion box then? my point is, this idea can serve to supplement the already existing suggestion threads, all it would allow for is the Gms to see more graphically/ statistically the general consensus on an idea rather than reading through individual comments and weeding through the ambiguity. i also did mention that the Gms would have the supreme decision in the end, so even if the server voted for a certain thing and the Gms do not accept it, they have no obligation to change it. Many players already don't 26 active user(s) (in the past 15 minutes) 5 members, 19 guests, 2 anonymous users | Show by: Last Click or Member Name Masahiro, Google, Aurora, Decode, Yahoo, Justice, Josef Members Online Today: 64 [Expand][Collapse] Most members ever online in one day was 432, last accomplished on 06 Dec 2009. The following members have visited today: 005Soymnalaply38 , Adum* , aexhidlild , Anarii , Angels&Demons , Anikun , Apo , Appie , Aurora , aymeuh , Baby Bloo , barhe , Beleseerdorie , berryberryberry , BypeTypeZes , Cirrus , Dark Myst , Decode , Determination , Egdpba , GeorgeNor , Ger , Groxy Drank , haLesSy21 , haloreachrankd , Jam2x , Josef , Justice , kax , Kayleigh , killee07 , Kittie , kuoch , Landreth , Lenneth Celie , Lilium , Manifest , Masahiro , MateNeupe , Memory , Miracle , mkyah , Nadtorious , nairwayJarm , Noir , November Thunder , Perishable , poigreelp , Poringly , rochenel , Ryuk , Shigeno , Skyerine , slurpee5 , Spanky , sticktomy , Tajet , TheKT , theluffmuffin , uchihajames , Veggie&Mac , Wong Fei Hung , xXxJCxXx , zagulaypiz your telling me this 1 group of people has authority to speak for an entire server?..and half of these people barely speak up in forums... +1 for the poll please

Lol, try the shield chain (1), (2) there is a recently accepted suggestion on elementing the effect of shield chain i believe which is also what i had in mind when i was talking about it above (ill check it sec) even with Gr it does hurt on stalkers etc. in no way form or fashion is a good stalker weaker than an lk, be honest here..just the diversity alone with copycat makes them awsm, And unfcpd they always have strip to rely on.. idk if u know this (u probably do) but gravity intended stalkers to be the BEST pvp class, it was MADE for pvp. stalkers have intimidate and close confine where if you run an Lk is going to catch you with charge, a stalker is going to root you with close confine and catch you with backslide, and take you out of pneuma with intimidate. and lets face it..even if they couldn't you've found their one limitation. also lets not forget no matter what, Stalkers have a 1h bow and wear a shield, they rape from far now..nice As for Bios even if acid demonstration does low damage, it breaks armor, if u fcp it still does good enough damage idk never below 4k unless sum1 went full demi resist ALSO, acid demonstration is infinite like an lk's spiral, aside from that bios aD relies on int, so they by nature always have supplements like cold bolt as their back up.. u cannot wear Gtb surivive cold bolt and/ or acid simply. without resists yourself. spiral pierce is also blockble by Pnuema, and if u wear Rsx they can't get pushed back, add a sinx card to that or even mild flee and an lk's bowling bash cannot hit you. to get you they need a sight clip sacrificing a str belt..spiral works on +str and so this affects it greatly. bearing in mind spiral is ranged. anti range gear noxious etc can be employed..and lets not forget friggs shield already lowers its damage currently. spiral is range but it has a CELL range as well, and its not nearly as far as a sniper. (even if you say alchems have no other option than this, id like to remind you that the Ro theme the 2-2 class is the more support themed one, and not the pure damage. e.g Paladins to LKs, Stalkers to Sinxs, Profs to Wizards. however by that regard they are the better halves for pvp strategically.) you laugh at me wearing a sinx card on all my characters, even lk, but how many lks do that?..whats to stop a champ from flying by using TSs and snapping on a regular lk? and a prof to use blinding mist and stave crasher/ Cb combinations. and a stalker to strip or Sc, sac, Ad, DS, LSI whtever else can come to his mind (with backslide mind you) id like you to know that before charge attack came along, Lks were dirt easy to keep away. (there is also spear dynamo but w/e, pneuma again t save the day) even so charge attack did not always push people back but considering that it does now, yes..charge attack (and also bb if it did not exist) can get you out of pneuma. if u wore rsx anyways an Lk's bb would have been waiting. LKs of the past would have used combinations such as spear stab spear dynamo and vital to get others angry enough to want to rsx, strong shield them and get to them (e.g sinxs) and as such they would have BB'd...nothing has changed, just spiral got a bit stronger. about 2ce as strong..so what? it still doesnt kill on its own, nor is it THE strongest around. and as for profs since we are talking about an UPDATED lk weapon lets look at their UPDATED prof staff, Magic crasher..beside their offense look at their defense with magic coat among others..don't deny good profs own any day (more so than an Lk). if u disagree Edu will be offended. :P yes magic skills are blockable by GTB. while not for good reason, if there were no GTB, wouldnt you expect profs to Destroy everyone else?..obliterate them? to properly defend against magic you need magic defense, that is int.. who has int as their primary stat?...Mage class, and Creator. (maybe a few others). apart from that. in proper duels with mages they agree beforehand no gtb, and even then..theres a card called d.war. u were talking abt compromise right? there u have it..Mage comrpomise = d.war (nothing stat-wise just an additional weapon) because LKs have more advantages/options at hand when stunlock doesn't work for argument's sake, w/o stunlock (which no1 cares about anyways and is just an added annoyance, and if you have ever been out of range of an lk while getting stunlocked u let me know..that you could never hit him as he was hitting you, because you were so far away) lets review lk's other skills: spear dynamo = aka throw spear..the other ranged attack of an Lk..while it is spammable, it is what a clown/gypsy's throw arrow is..the back up, while ppl do die to this..it is mostly just an annoyance to others. the primary attack, bowling bash. Yes, it is THE primary attack and not spiral pierce like most are forgetting. HOWEVER. bowling bash knocks the opponent back, and for those who think they can corner an opponent into a wall, bowling bash knocks the opponent in the direction, the player just walked from.. hence all an oponent needs to do, should he find himself cornered is to walk either to the left or right and get out and run. charge attck can keep the lk coming but, another feature of bowling bash is it is not completely spammable.. u show me an lk bbing at 195 aspd, for the most they can get in two or three and thats with 3-4 kiels. Lks are easily overcommed..that same spiral you guys are saying is OP, is its biggest weakness..slap on a puppetring, watch an LK stone himself faster than he can spiral you twice. should he put on an f.soldier he either has to (1) sacrifice a kiel and hence lowerd spam,..By a BIG margin or (2) sacrifice a maya, in which regard. you can now go happy sinxing if you had it. furthermore an Lk cannot uncloak another player easily without sight, and cannot uncloak a stalker in chasewalk..a clown can use unchained serenade, another stalker sightless mind, a prof heaven's drive, a gunslinger desperado, a ninja crimson fire formation, etc etc. you can coma an Lk..the best hp an lk is going to get and still be effective in pvp is 350something K hp on GR tao and 2x ray.. stalkers, snipers and clowns surpass that. Yes..Lk is OP..LK is OP Average joe but i think the most important factor is..on low rates, an LK with a hunting spear or pole axe, ratio to ratio does the same as hes finally doing now on the high rates. the only thing with this sp suggestion that i see mike has a point in is..: every1 has yggdrasil berries and why should LKs have to run them out 2ce as fast as others, especially when you can tank LKs..I personally am FINE with the current lks and still do well. but i am admitting i see where the others are coming from, and am speaking on behalf of them. in no way form or fashion did i say Lks could not kill before this spiral pierce boost, they did just fine, even now they use BB as their finisher, regardless the old wep with 200% and auto coma was OP, but the new 1 is fine, 150% would have been nice but id agree if you say with that it overshadows BB so fine. but 1 thing lk is NOT, is op. if it were im sure we'd be seeing a lot less S> LKHs and more B> LKHs on the bcer

i think it would be a good idea is there was a permanent Vote poll at the top of each suggestion so that readers or visitors can either comment or vote or do both and still have a proper input in a suggestion without having to put into words their views on the subject matter e.g if the Gms want to administer a change to a skill or item. **once it is not harmfull/ abusive** they can create a poll and the community vote and if the community rather-ed something stay the way it was and the Gms did not but the community got the higher vote, it should stay that way (again unless something was clearly abusive or unjust or unbalanced) (within acceptable limitations and final word by Gen and Reli etc) likewise in player suggested items, at the head of every post, a poll could be there and each account allowed 1 vote either for or against the suggestion. this would (1) boost forum interaction and (2) give the players a real sense of their opinion Meaning something.

Sorry Veracity in advance for the double posting BUT addressing Chris' and Lrn2aim's contributions yes it is wise for LKs to make hybrid builds to get more sp to pvp with etc, i most definitely do. but what should be noted is! : other classes such as the clown can go full damage without sacrificing anything what so ever damage wise (my clown holds 150 yggs and i have max dex always, while my LK holds 200 yggs and i also have max strength, however i run out of yggs quicker on my LK and not for lack of skill or pre-meditation) similarly Stalkers have higher hp than Lks easily, and with the same build (max strength) have the use of the Paladin's shield chain which does 8k a Roll (still higher than an lk's spiral) and it does the SAME effect as spiral pierce what is more so is that it is NOT always an incant effect and it is also greatly boosted by the new item friggs shield. (whats more is that these are both ranged and as such can be countered). I have ZERO problem with this. what i do is when people complain about LKs. i have neither problem nor issue with either the low Sp or the current damage of LKs what i do have a problem with is blind statements concerning that LKs should not complain about their Low sp, it is simply not fair to make such a statement that LKs are not a deserving class of such a boost. as an aside: if anyone wants to complain about stun lock or "infinte spamming high dps" via skills, i implore you to check out Acid Demonstration and Magic skills such as Cold bolt etc..while they do not "stunlock for 3 seconds" they do stunlock you by sheer dps..and last time i checked spiral pierce did not break your armor. let it be known every argument has a counter argument.. [sORRY FOR THE LONG POSTS]

Gen, i had noticed the clean up on the suggestion forum just a min ago, and praise is due there, it was a lot of hard work. Kudos to you, Veracity and the others. (2) i didn't suggest this particular one, Nor any of the recent ones that have been rejected that i biasedly think could have been accepted. also, it is true that when many people agree with something or disagree, it is democracy. But when people disagree as a bandwagon as you said without any real base, its pointless and that's where you guys have to have the fair judgment. what would not be fair is if you guys go along with the bandwagon on a suggestion (not saying its happening just stating it) (3) i always try to remain impartial in my arguments pro or against something, especially since i am fine already enough with most of it and do well on my own terms (especially so with the lk situation at hand, both sp and damage), but in life some arguments must contain bias. When i do speak up is when i notice other imbalanced factors affecting other classes e.g the clown bow where no1 seems to complain when clowns floor them while every1 seems to complain about Lks who are the underdogs of the Ro world anyways. Snipers and stalkers "Tank" more than lks and have more hp and killing potential, yet why is it the moment Lks seem to have some sort of ability to pvp every1 jumps on them? based on your experience with lk you must know what i am talking about regardless of bias. (4) if The fix was implemented weeks if not months ago, then why does my lk have 370 sp with lk halb on and 332 with it off? thats not an addition of 250 base SP (the description itself only says +100 sp at any rate) (5) lastly, my involvement in this thread was purely to push either the sp boost or the spiral damage to 150% boost (as of this post the spiral has been rejected) all that said : 'I wish I could dedicate myself to this full time but alas, that is not a possibility', thanks for responding to this anyways it does show that you are reading it, i retract my previous statement halfway and in no way form or fashion did i attack your devotion or involvement to this server. But i did mention that Gms read but don't add in often. perusing the suggestion threads i see Gm ryuk most, Rune somewhat and Veracity to close or warn in threads. you do make cameos and that's good, even if you didn't im sure thats why you hired forum moderators. but what i commented on/ asked for was that Gms have a more ACTIVE participation in the forum threads so individuals do not feel as if they are speaking to thin air and get more of an idea where their suggestion is heading to before the Ultimate and brash accept or reject, so that IF and WHERE there are fallacies they can be discussed by both players and Gms alike as they show up (which is what im sure the suggestion thread was meant to operate like anyways). i am not speaking about anyone in particular and i am aware that people are busy, my only concern is i barely see contributions from Gms "I feel as if people don't remember that no one here get's anything from spending our free time working for you" that is not true, for the most we are very grateful and while we do realize that you are doing this of your own agenda, you too must also remember that the suggestion forums among other things are the speaking voice of the general community, and be that as it may, as individuals it is our rights to wonder, speculate and comment on the affairs which concern us ALL as participants in this game. you love Ro, we all love Ro hence why we are still here, every1 contributes at some time and also offer something. from the newest player that votes, they have a value to this server and its commmunity. at the risk of sounding rude, free time or not with respect to the current topic, and upon balancing of donations itself players pay real money to both propagate this server that we love and also to get benefits out of the items that we receive. all that is asked for is a certain degree of transparency.

lol ohman fite in the airee bring it to the H4xbox i b there

lol msg me in game for any info on Star glad or tkm you can probably find me in for_fild01, just ask around my name's Mario, and Star Glads are what im about :P

lol this still isnt fixed.. this and 100 other suggestions..idk Gms you need to be a bit more proactive, or at least voice your opinion in some of these suggestion threads..sometimes months go by and not a word and idk if you read it or not, only you would. so don't say "i read it 100x in that month" sometimes idk the logic behind when u accept and reject suggestions..anyways..mini rant over .. READ THIS and other suggestions

lol maybe, but it doesnt even look good (1) the sprite sux (2) think about the new players that managed to accumulate 100 event coupons to get this..only that it sux anywyas. Lol remember they wouldn't know what it looks like until they buy it. aside from that it has no real benefit to the wearer. idk bout you but useless things are pointless im not saying everything needs to be usefull, but at such a cost, i think THIS 1 in particular should be. also millions of ppl have event coupons and nothing to do with them, this must be the 100th suggestion i touch on that point, yet nothing seems to get done.. why bother with events?..for these rewards? lol OT: J is a hobotard jeje

yeah that's a granted, and even if it were to occur, the majority of the server doesn't have 2xthana maces. but i agree with what your thinking about. Lets leave it to the higher ups to test and stat accordingly, however what needs to be taken away here is the fact that the hokage hat and other event items need to get addressed/looked at properly, because they're costly, mostly useless and no1 wants to buy them. hence we have millions of event coupons and nothing to do with them.

lol damn thts brutalll i feel you on that 1

yeah we know but as zac said unrefinable, if u wear a GVH w/ 2x lk cards +10 thats more than the hat, so full asura would be better with gbh anywyas, BUT with other classes u can put a kiel in the helm and not the lks cuz they need kiels to spam

hahaha<3 good times lolol but u know it isnt as viable w/ lks Sp needs need to be met. but even if they don't wanna inc the sp atm, inc the damage to balance that aspect..either 1 or the other but thats another post entirely. "lks currently cannot ever win on endurance w/ the current ygg whoring nature required to quench that vampyric Sp usage." (=D)

yeah man thats all well and good, but the SP part we moved on from, still on that note, as an Lk i waste more yggs on sp than trying to survive, and i run out of sp faster than my opponent if they tank my damage. (i have more points invested in Sp than vit..almost double...and my sp still failshard). hence in the long run endurance goes to them as funny as that is. if they aren't a wise player in a long duel (or as an lk we play wise). im pretty sure if we start off with 200 yggs in an avg duel we'll remain with 10 yggs if it went down to endurance. (on just using sp for skills alone) you must remember while all these other classes have their downsides after using say Fbhs, they kill more ppl at a faster rate and move on to others. if im an LK and locked in a 10 min duel with one person, say in lms. How am i supposed to move on to the next opponent if ive run out off yggs dueling only one person? im not denying that the sp issue and ygging bring balance to the class but, its sorta funny when stallkerss run around with more hp than the designated Tanker class, the Lk (snipers even...) lol my sniper has a higher dps than my lk and has more hp with less vit. but all thats fine..all we're asking is for a measly % inc back in spiral pierce to give us back a better chance. Oh, and chris the damage you see lks doing now is their MAX damage peaked out w/ various things e.g the lk card with kiel compromise in helm. (Jorge does the most damage i've seen to date, he's pure damage build, so look at his damage next time). im sure on most other impressive high damage classes, they haven't even tapped their potential

lol i do dat already but still the downside to the hat is fine, that you'll get frozen, but the existance of the hat itself should change. the posts below this 1 in terms of raising its str given is a better idea than making it aspd friendly. only +5 str gain for most classes is a negative that far outweighs the poisitive for most. str +30 min is good, anything above is better but Str +30 is the min goal. a net inc of +10 str sacrificing your beloved v.helms and imps is not much to ask for LOL 40 str..... if they added this then let it -5 aspd idk thts a good boost, but yeah lol i did, and i still own it, but its fail, it still inc my stuff but as chris posted above..w/ a gvh and lk card +kiel i already beat this hat... which makes the 100 ecoups not fair..especially since i can get the v.helms etc for so cheap

lol na Chris id have to agree to disagree with this 1. sides ppl can fcp' so no worries