Masahiro

exactly and why am i becoming such an annoyance by simply trying to fight for a proper balance to the Lk class? i do NOt see how im being unfair with my suggestions if any of you would bother to test it out beside just grumbling with a bad mentality, you would see nothing is going to change heck i can spiral sb sinxs for 19k a hit and they are STILL ygging out of it, and i spam hella fast this topic suggestion is about the valk effect, but if you said that is OP (which i cannot in my wildest imagination see how it can be, when exactly as Zac said the damage difference is so little and i can use valk anyways, why is it so overpowered? how?) if you want me to i can get a list of 50 fro players who would testify that even the 200% spiral was not something unmanageable i wish i could get more people to get on forums, but once again forums are monopolized by such a small amount of players. that is not fair i personally was fine with lKs and so are others like Mike and Jay and the others, but what you all fail to understand is, while we get by, why should we have to settle with that, when with a bit of speaking up things can change? and how will this change anything too greatly?, adding more sp adding more weight or adding more damage? and why is it opposed by so many? what grounds do you have? sitting back on your overpowered characters. in closing even if spiral pierce's damage was boosted, it shaves off, even when i get spiralled myself for 15k a hit when my shield is gone i still ygg out of it and hit back sinx's drop me faster anyways sonic blow and others do damage instantly and have a higher damage output and is spammable enough in one chain to cap anyones life, even paladins unless they hyper spam yggs. why are you not complaining about that? but over something as petty as Lk skills? geeze i didnt realise lks were so formidable if your not willing to give Lks a damage boost, and your not willing to give LKs an Sp boost but you've taken so much from them initially while the other valk weapons have remained the same, why are you still fighting giving them something as simple as dispel? what major devastating effect can an auto dispel from melee do that we can't already do anyway?

i get what your saying here who knows maybe in the confrontation, say a Gm says ok, one person left in guild A and one in guild B a showdown is now in effect and the gM requests Guild B elects a representative to pvp that single person or something if the person in guild A beats 2-3 people from guild B, he wins GVG. the alternative would just be a gang running over that single person anyways, who knows this method adds climax to a GVG, the underdog may very well just win (its just a random thought/suggestion) its probably stupid but w/e

nicee! lol i look foward to what you guys can come up with haha

i did check this and i mentioned there was in another post but i think it would be prudent to say that if the boost did not come while fbhs were worn then what would be the point? it would be like having a gun up on the wall and never being able to use it, just saying you have it beside my SP is 3.5k with antique firelocks what is 250 more sp doing for me then? also if switched between the normal elite spear and the black halbered and there is a change of 30+ sp going to halbered the description itself says +100 sp, so even then there should be a noticable difference. i was never fighting for the increase in damage i am fine with it currently i just agreed with the other lks who wanted it desperately what i agree with is the SP boost and this valk idea (only because of the ridiculous nature of Reducts and the fact that the sniper and clown valkyrie weapons have such an effect) if you want to make it out to a mines bigger than your contest then by all means, im just asking for what fair

if anything reducts should not stack so Sgws should be the best reduct at 10% or whtever and end of story others should be different dev hat should be 5% and 2 slotted maybe (no additional stats or refine rate) (you can still get frozen if you don't wear MArc or Scarf) things like this can make the difference people Edit: oh sorry Veracity didnt see your post, i agree with your post 100% same thoughts

the damage done in proportion to reducts either nurf reducts in general or put damage as 100% in woe for all classes please..thanks

its unfair to ask of an individual to face a gang willingly without trying to pick them off one by one, GVG is fine the way it is, if you managed to kill off every single other person and you have just one enemy left then why not use tactics such as ice walling off entrances and exits like what is already done. its is unfair to put a time limit on a player struggling to survive and win if you can't kill him that's your problem so what if the event ran for 2hours its your duty to be there if your GVG if you can't and you need to walk your dog best you don't join up if you or your guild must win 100% of the time in a game then best you go play checkers with yourself. 10 to one odds your going to win anyways if you don't then face the humiliation that one person took out 20 others on your own. don't be selfish, patience is a virtue, this is different to Woe where time matters. this is supposed to be all out pvp/brawl and tactics as nines said nut up or shut up (not flaming any1 in particular just stating my views) why don't you give a reward for last kill or something, so people become more ferocious in their attempt to hunt someone down. if it were possible the only thing i would say is, have only 1 account per person entering GVG if a Gm sees a character afk like a slave. then d/c it (same for lms) that's just not fair if you don;'t move for 15-30 seconds you get d/c End of Story (or if you don;t respond to their PM or make some indication you're there or something) regardless or not people should not have 2,3-4 chances at living in GVG if it were possible to allow only one account per Ip within Gvg that would have been nice

i love it..do it..please Gms Geez, its too boring these events pvp tourneys whatever just do it but this is a good idea 9s hope it gets accepted (btw 9s u got an ACTIVE imagination lmao /no1)

Gen has stated that there would be a +250sp granted by the spear or soemthing so, it hasnt been done yet though he says it has the spear itself says +100 in the description tho that is heavily inaccurate as well (1) i have maxed the damage using the spear myself see other threads for those value results i pvp just fine with LK and kill just fine like Aura diff being, he uses Seeds and plays strategically 90% of the time, i prefer to kill and move on quicker and tend to go all out more and Seeds to NOT help me spam on LK, it is insanely difficult to spam seeds and the million and 1 skills like i do. go for the weight i support it, i still have those same 3 e. spears in my invent and 2halberds, i have an array of weapons and i use different tactics ( i even use 2h swords in serious pvp), though this argument is for the base effect of the spear in the first place, even if nothing was changed i'd still do what i do. but what you should consider is the improving weight is going to make spiral hurt more than ever before, you would be safer with a % "make them use their Yggs. Reduce the Yggs they can carry. Now they'll be balanced" sigh...don';t u already know LKs spam more yggs to use skills than to survive? Ask Aura and supreamus if you don't believe me final statement EVER: if you take out the OP reducts that are all around us, then we'll stop complaining about spirals damage because its not fun when someone is wearing Sgws and Santa poring hats and our damage goes to 2k a hit even Sgws alone is 4k a hit roughly and thats no picnic

FIRSTLY, i do use 2 weps, i stated that, and my predominant one is the valk wep secondly Zac posted that damage rating bearing in mind THAT the valk effect would be that much THIRDLYY (most importantly) Valk card itself gives 10% more damage, but dispel!! does NOT. so even IF, its not liek the weapon will get ANY stronger for having dispel hence why i suggested it and not something OP like Strip or Coma or MEteor Storm or Acid Demonstration lmfao aside from all of that, by switching weapons as much you have to re-endow, while sinxs have to do this as well, the level of weapon switching is not the same, most sinxs only have to autoclick and drop someone, if the damage fails they backslide switch weps., re-endow nd come back for a second servering, Lks have to switch in the mix and run through more consumables, the rate at which a sinx drops someone and the rate at which an LK does is not comparible, a player seeing high damage from an Lk can quickly dispel them if they have a brain while a sinx can sneakily come and Sb you an drop you, or go 1 dagger or 2 daggers or coma, anything and LK's physical melle attack sucks, so he has to rely on spiral and Bb, people can adapt as such quite easily, no1 said LKs were crippled or could not pvp, i can, i do and i win Reducts is another story, that should be nurfed on a WHOLE, but w/e thats another topic im speaking on behalf of myself and other LKs with these posts, just because I can doesnt mean others can. but more than anything else its frustrating when other OP classes complain that LKs would become unfairly advantageous with these buffs chris yes you've played LK but not nearly as long as you needed to have go pvp someone with a good pvp record,..Heck go win one lms with lk and then speak to me, use LK for Woe or GVG, use LK all day and consitantly kill and pvp people especially if you get ganged. chris do NOT say stunlock, because as i have pointed out a million-times, stun lock's effect isn't anything spectacular as if you could not hit back at all and were just kept at bay.. if it did have such an effect then no1 could ever touch and LK and people realizing this would play LK more with the current set=up God bless you Juan because no-one listens to me with those facts. people speak as if they know, but they are only observers, and the fact is they are observing Skilled LKs in pvp like Mike and the others let them try to jump in the shoes of the average LK the 150% inc in spiral was rejected and up to now with no real basis beside a 1liner, hence my recent string of suggestions asking for transparency in these debates up to now i see no evidence on how 150% would be overpowered I personally state again i don't need it, but every Lk under the sun complains about it and ask for it, and no1 speaks up on forums. Lastly @som i appreciate the comments but you know every class has its Vice, and even from iRo days the nemesis of a champ has always been and will always be an LK even if spiral pierce was its old self, champs still lost to LKs, for sheer skillset Thana BB and Throw spears owned champs, simply because of that ability to knock out of pnuema, what you can do som which i know u don;t is due the OP demi resists and wear puppetring, stone curse them from their high spam rate and just asura kill them then, you can also WS them and freeze them with Stormy and then asura you can snap TSS them, which is the REAL and best way to take down an LK, sure they cna charge into you at times, but SNAP prevents that from having any true meaning, if u snap well you make yourself hard to click

firstly, it wud b insane to multi-quote every1 above secondly i 100% agree with this post, i pvp FAIRLY often and i barely use any sort of reducts (i dont own Sgws i dont use Devs or fluffys or anything of the sort even if i have them) and i do just fine, and this transcends ALL my classes from champion with its horrible hp mod to my Lord knight with its supposed "super Tanking ability" skipping all this over, HerLove has the most valid point on these reductions especially as it applies to Woe regardless of what any of you say? or shall someone frap a champ or a stalker or sinx basically walking through towards an emp solo and breaking it 5 mins later? this should NEVER be possible FOR WOE/ GVG idc whattt you say, the true essence of Woe is lost the moment someone Solos an entire guild (especially a good quality one) ever heard of slow and steady wins the race?...well thats what reducts do, they STILL WIN and for all of you saying well they do low damage and well, they "May" still break the emp.. When on Gods Green Earth has only one character persistently entered an emp room? why don't you consider the fact that theres at least 10 of these little mini tanks smacking away at an emp that a guild worked so hard to defend from probably since you first entered that castle. hey if u disagree it WILL be frapsed for evidence and you tell me how its fair and even if certain people like Cole only use say Sacreds or whatever else, fine thats his noble choice. dont group him with the many others who have every possible possible re-duct a person can have on. (because in Woe i still see cole dies, yeah hes a great breaker but he plays smart) SMART is NOT wearing 100% defense and just walking through the fire, that's just OP, because you've rendered everyone else helpless to you.. even if you do nothing, your the biggest distraction ever!, if you E-call and bring in your entire guild, you've just created chaos why don't u try to e-call somewhere safe outside the pre-emp and then rush in with your entire guild like it SHOULD be? hmm no skill to do that? tough cookies, that's where the skill of a guild comes in, that ability to work together and comradery that makes a guild in the first place. your guild not good enough to take another's castle? well then go to another castle Or just break your lame guild the fact that you can't win is no excuse for supporting OP gear and builds, especially as in events like Woe, where damage is reduced but reducts stay the same Woe is supposed to be a balance between offense and defense its supposed to be a dynamic equilibrium, basically if your defending, there should be something to at least match it offensively or overcome it slightly, same if your offensive there must be a defense that can overcome it slightly.. full re-ducts is NOT slight.. For PVP 9s was pretty accurate with his listing, but he did not go into any depth the current Reducts on a sniper, stalker, clown and basically any of these range classes are OP from stalker, clown to sniper in descending order stalkers are immortal, they can taunt you, mess with you and still have a decent offensive ability and a general tendency to annoy. combine this with seeds and your Even if you have Fcp. A stalker is just going to flap his gums and flap around you like some vulture until your fcp is gone and then the most awsm skill ever full strip is going to render you useless and he is going to kill you. in events like LMs this is a surety, only the rich and geared can have some slave fcper (oh which big surprise is on full reducts) and the only reason why he is still alive..btw tell me how THATS fair. can't win lms by your own ability? w/o a slave? if thats fair then champs should have Gospel slaves or Ws slaves or something..heck IMA do that next Lms, put on a full resist paladin and have my little brother spam f3 for seeds and while i get gospel ill just wear Reducts myself Lol.. have fun. oh and don't bother ganging me, ill live..i'll just borrow some of Cirrus' gear, since he seems to tank my entire guild so well (props) (the above is a joke you can't party im LMS, but my point should remain the same) forgot to mention, i'd probably lose if this was all possible anyways because gospel full asura still won't kill someone on full reducts even double Gospel full asura fyi (speaking from Woe) should even need to say it, but snipers can go full resist and with their new valk wep auto strip you if you come close clowns with their full resist +valk wep = just a little while before you die to coma. lastly, for all of you supporting these multi-stacking demi resists, let it be known half of them are not accessible to the average player, and so they cannot do what you do.You all speak on these forums with too rich a mindset, and your forgetting the average person is still woeing for drops so they can get as geared as you. Doesn't make you any better than them, but for the time being, what you can do with it solo is bypass an entire guild's defense or tank an entire guild in GVG or reduce player's damage from decent numbers ranging from 40k=100k to 2kand 20k.. why? Lrn2play w/o reducts..thats where true skill comes in. besides Chris' point was that reducts simply be nurfed not taken away..so even if they were nurfed, you'd all just become draxs walking about with Sgw-like reducts and still doing good (if you were skilled enough) ..ive just provoked u all.. i DARE you to be different. psht next step is you're all wearing ahura mazdah.. sometimes it feels like it >>

LOL! franc's 7th post lmao <----------- the best ninja chu kno :P but yeah i 100-% <3 this post, the non rebirths need some serious attention especially ninja and Star Gladiator (i think there's already a gunslinger improvement coming soon as per the accepted suggestion threads)

yeah it would be greatly appreciated if people who don't play Lk or have no experience stop with the uninformed commenting. and as zac said, yes i use valk in my wep currently anyways those of you always saying well an Lk has to make a sacrifice they can';t have everything bla bla bla, post below what sacrifice your class has had to make cuz by my count (1) an lk should sacrifice a maya P so he can wear f.soldier so as to never get stone cursed, and put himself at risk of getting ambushed all the time and (2) Lk should sacrifice Str so he can put into int so his Sp can go up by 50 for every 150 int points an (3) LK should sacrifice the 2x fbh shoes (and wow this 1s awsm) so that he can get more Sp, by wearing Fbh and antique firelock. well that last 1 took the cake..when have any of you had to make such a sacrifice?, and even if we did, it'd only have nurfed the lk's already barely reasonably damage even further. (4) and Lk should sacrifice hp to get more points... well thats the dumbest thing i ever heard...my Lk has 99 vit..yeah i said it.big secret if i sacrificed any more vit? well id be fkd by status effects.. so yeah nice sacrifice.. (when have you had to do that) and fyi for me personally, My Lk is a hybrid build i HAVE sacrificed quite a lot, and still do well..this post is just to highlight an injustice to the Lk wep when compared to the other valk weps. i have 400 sp and i STILL burn through yggs mad crazy. it took a lot of int to get there, not to mention consumables just to balance the other stats..why? for what purpose?..which class of yours has to do that? this goes back, and goes out to the supreamus and Jorge suggestions Loll damn, there you have it.. +2 ftw

yeh, only thing id say is the auto dispel should be whatever rate the autostrip is on snipers.

Yep,as was pointed out thats why WS still doing S!@%^ too cuz its so balanced, and so much attention was given to it, after all this time.

lol id love if u added +30 str to the lK halb then it's damage would surpass the 200% spiral thing every1 so jubilently rejected the movement for 150% was denied, because it became OP at 3k a hit on Sgws and friggs so what can u do? because 3k a hit is OP

its annoying that, people who don't know LKs complain about them you complain about some apparent monster damage yet you all survive LK encounters and emerge victorious its annoying that you complain about their ygg carrying capacity in correlation with their SP consumption when in Endurance battles you outlive them its annoying when you complain about their high Hp when Stalkers and snipers the Ranged classes have higher hp with less vit and greater Reduct capacity without sacrificing power its annoying when you complain that the Lk spear is overpowered, when sniper's bows auto strip you and clown's auto coma you when a Goddamn sniper puts on full reducts and damage is reduced to under 2k and spams DS (because they dont need kiels, can wear f.soldier and have incredible boosting of their Hp mod due to tao's effect), they just sit back and auto aim, use probably arrow repel if you get too close for comfort, and anytime your withing 5 cells of them or w/e your in danger of getting auto stripped, which OMFG big surprise is like 99% of the classes anyways, because of their attack ranges and then the already overpowered clown (don't tell me otherwise my main is clown) just goes his reduct and shoots his gay bow and within a few seconds to a few minutes your dead, yeah you can gTB and asap the damage is increased they either AV or Ds you, and it takes no effort to switch, unlike an LK who if they switch wep loses their endow and has to re=endow each time (not to mention dispel fks them over ANYWAYS due to this little tidbit) and i wont even beginnn to mention the reduct stalker.. Mr immortal himself,, tanking entire guilds in GVG since 1901. Tm spiral is ranged, can be reduced as such and by anti-demi effects AND if you dispel an LK it messes with them in this way also, idk about you but dispel casts fairly often and i dont have infinite endows. fyi even if u dispel a sinx they have their enchant poision worst comes to worst, and nobody even bothers with evil druid anymore because theyve all gone noob/ its barely necessary. sigh im not even gona go on with this...Fk this, 2 Goddamn annoying

well, if Sniper bows can auto strip and clown bows can auto coma! thennnn! LK spears should auto dispel its ONLY FAIR, especially seeing as both those weapons outdamage and outclass the Lk spear fro community decided against making spiral's damage 150% and removed the auto coma, sure, all good BUT if the sniper bow continues to auto strip and the clown's tarot continues to auto coma, LKs need an Auto something too