p3wp3w Posted December 14, 2016 Report Posted December 14, 2016 I've seen no one has raised this yet. Honestly, I barely see WS with this build nowadays due to the fact that the damage it deals is pretty much lower compared to other classes and I think it's safe to say that it really 'died' with the fact that more varieties of builds to different classes has been added on other classes. Please feel free to leave your thoughts below so we can get it reviewed by the GM team.
Yatogami Posted December 14, 2016 Report Posted December 14, 2016 I honestly think it needs to be updated in terms of damage. I mean WS bless set is very cheap now, and WS Curse is VERY rare xD. sooo yeah +1 to this
Rayray Posted December 14, 2016 Report Posted December 14, 2016 It just annoys me that certain "updates" were made but all it did was just raising a certain "dead" class damage to new heights. If we keep increasing ALL other classes' skill damage, then there would be no end to this. I say we rebalance ALL the other previous damaging skills and reduce the damage on the ones deemed problematic. On topic: Raising Cart Termination damage is not bad really, but the WS main issue was the dispell, not their damage(especially if you actually put enough effort on building WS). The first order of business for me is to make the buffs needed to use cart termination be undispellable.
coldjoke Posted December 14, 2016 Report Posted December 14, 2016 well WS is a class that supposedly counter pally... but doesnt seem like that in this server due to the damage... so yea +1 to buff WS Bless
p3wp3w Posted December 14, 2016 Author Report Posted December 14, 2016 2 hours ago, Rayray said: It just annoys me that certain "updates" were made but all it did was just raising a certain "dead" class damage to new heights. If we keep increasing ALL other classes' skill damage, then there would be no end to this. I say we rebalance ALL the other previous damaging skills and reduce the damage on the ones deemed problematic. On topic: Raising Cart Termination damage is not bad really, but the WS main issue was the dispell, not their damage(especially if you actually put enough effort on building WS). The first order of business for me is to make the buffs needed to use cart termination be undispellable. Please include your suggestions on how to buff WSs with your point of view, so we can also include it and have it considered.
Polyphia Posted December 15, 2016 Report Posted December 15, 2016 +1 Cart Termi WSmith. currently im having a mind f**k to figure why the hell WS use magic and dealt more damage than wiz & scholars.
Rayray Posted December 15, 2016 Report Posted December 15, 2016 A total increase on the effects of the Forgers card, the Thor hammer(until now, i know it is called thor hammer but there is nothing "thor like" about it) and on the ring would be good. I mean total overhaul really. ATM if I Remember correctly, on incant with all those stuff, i barely hit 50k. Higher if i went on and use HOD or something.
lord_dhan26 Posted December 18, 2016 Report Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) Same way as Stalkers... if Linked, whitesmith will not get dispelled. Try to reach 60k Cart Termi Damage w/ the ff Gears of WS: Brutal Helm Emperium Aura Bless Ring 4x Atroce on weapon ETC.. Gears of the Target: B/C/G Set Friggs w/ Usakoring Ray+Skoll on Cloak Gr+tao on armor. i took away Thana in the computation.. of course it will hurt badly with wrong card combos. so far my current Damage on the above mentioned information is equivalent to 44k. Inca works perfect, but only to those who doesnt use TGK on armor. +1 to making the dmg of Cart termi higher, and also if linked Undispellable. FULL ADRENALINE RUSH!!!! Edited December 18, 2016 by lord_dhan26
coldjoke Posted December 18, 2016 Report Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, lord_dhan26 said: so far my current Damage on the above mentioned information is equivalent to 44k. Inca works perfect, but only to those who doesnt use TGK on armor. +1 to making the dmg of Cart termi higher, and also if linked Undispellable. FULL ADRENALINE RUSH!!!! i agree with +dmg of the cart termi... but if undispellable... i mean what job that need LOTS of buff?? (link included) mostly Palladin, HP(??), WS, SinX, Clown, Stalker i guess?? there is another topic that says "stalker should get undispellable" (sry for bringing stalker to WS subject, but just want to compare) in the future, someone MIGHT put a suggestion "if WS and STALKER cant get undispellable, shouldnt SINX and CLOWN too???" any i think someday...VR card will just die out.... you just need to put on GTB to get undispelled(not sure bout link), that is your risk so -1 on undispellable... BUT +1 on dmg increase Edited December 18, 2016 by coldjoke
c0okiee Posted December 18, 2016 Report Posted December 18, 2016 honestly nothing needs to be touched of ws just increase our cart weight by some amount and the class is auto balanced
Specter Posted December 18, 2016 Report Posted December 18, 2016 11 hours ago, c0okiee said: honestly nothing needs to be touched of ws just increase our cart weight by some amount and the class is auto balanced 8000 weight isn't enough? you can carry 500+ seeds or any other usable you want to stuff in there, i know that if you pull them out your damage lowers, but the weight increase would benefit all the WS builds, and that's not the point of this topic... I think that if it needs a buff it has to be on the cart termination damage.
Rayray Posted December 19, 2016 Report Posted December 19, 2016 I agree with Bass, increasing cart weight is not the way to go since it can be exploited. On the topic of dispell, im not asking for the whole class to be dispellable, only the skill (cart boost if i remember correctly) that needs to be up before you can use cart termi. You cannot argue that it will be the same for other classes simply because those classes can still use their skills when they get dispelled(and you can easily use box of storms for the elemental boost) unlike stalker who loses a skill and WS who cannot use cart termination and Priest who loses a lot of DPS when link is gone.
Fenrir Posted December 19, 2016 Report Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rayray said: I agree with Bass, increasing cart weight is not the way to go since it can be exploited. On the topic of dispell, im not asking for the whole class to be dispellable, only the skill (cart boost if i remember correctly) that needs to be up before you can use cart termi. You cannot argue that it will be the same for other classes simply because those classes can still use their skills when they get dispelled(and you can easily use box of storms for the elemental boost) unlike stalker who loses a skill and WS who cannot use cart termination and Priest who loses a lot of DPS when link is gone. but dispel is a pain-in-the-ass for Assassin Crosses too specially to crit types and dagger/thana types so there will come a time that people maining these classes will demand non dispel to EDPs too. There will also come a time that every class will have a reason for demanding a non-dispelable skill so as to "balance" things out. VR's will then become less useful. so i guess it's a +1 to increasing Cart Termi damage but -1 to non-dispelability of a certain WS or some other types skills. Edited December 19, 2016 by Fenrir
Rayray Posted December 19, 2016 Report Posted December 19, 2016 Dispel is trouble for crit or dagger types? Since when? You continue attacking even if you get dispelled, you also continue attacking when you use box of storms. At any case, armors and elemental scrolls/bos are the only things you press on auto attack sinx(aside from the occasional backslide). Also, WS needs to still use the same items like sinx(bos) when they get dispelled + cart boost skill + other stuff. The only thing im asking to not be dispelled is cart boost, so WS can continue spamming cart termination even if they get dispelled to make them on EQUAL FOOTING on sinxes who never never stops attacking even if they get dispelled.
lord_dhan26 Posted December 19, 2016 Report Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rayray said: I agree with Bass, increasing cart weight is not the way to go since it can be exploited. On the topic of dispell, im not asking for the whole class to be dispellable, only the skill (cart boost if i remember correctly) that needs to be up before you can use cart termi. You cannot argue that it will be the same for other classes simply because those classes can still use their skills when they get dispelled(and you can easily use box of storms for the elemental boost) unlike stalker who loses a skill and WS who cannot use cart termination and Priest who loses a lot of DPS when link is gone. Ohh right... just like Tumbling Skills for Tk classes.. its undispellable unless toggled off or tarot card of dispell. Edited December 19, 2016 by lord_dhan26
Fenrir Posted December 19, 2016 Report Posted December 19, 2016 yeah they could still attack but with EDP dispelled, what good could it have with your opponent? switch to annoying weapon or recast EDP, much like what happens with a dispelled WS, recast buff skills or annoy your opponent. I'm not basing on whether one could still attack or not but with the damage it could do to the opponent. A dispelled SinX's EDP is much like the same as that of WS, you could not do any much damage except to annoy or just stop and recast. anyway, if it balances things then might as well apply it, let's just not take for granted the possible result of these suggestions in the future.
Rayray Posted December 19, 2016 Report Posted December 19, 2016 45 minutes ago, Fenrir said: yeah they could still attack but with EDP dispelled, what good could it have with your opponent? switch to annoying weapon or recast EDP, much like what happens with a dispelled WS, recast buff skills or annoy your opponent. I'm not basing on whether one could still attack or not but with the damage it could do to the opponent. A dispelled SinX's EDP is much like the same as that of WS, you could not do any much damage except to annoy or just stop and recast. anyway, if it balances things then might as well apply it, let's just not take for granted the possible result of these suggestions in the future. Um, i hate to break this to you but EDP cannot be dispelled. O_O When you remove your weapons as a sinx, thats the time that EDP gets removed. The only thing dispelled on a sinx is usually the element. You must be thinking the other one that gives poison element, but then again you can just use BOS for that. So your argument here is null if you are only thinking about EDP.
Fenrir Posted December 19, 2016 Report Posted December 19, 2016 42 minutes ago, Rayray said: Um, i hate to break this to you but EDP cannot be dispelled. O_O When you remove your weapons as a sinx, thats the time that EDP gets removed. The only thing dispelled on a sinx is usually the element. You must be thinking the other one that gives poison element, but then again you can just use BOS for that. So your argument here is null if you are only thinking about EDP. really? my whole life is a lie! what a mess I've been making LOL. Sorry for that mate. hahaha! In that case, your argument is correct so much only if it does not spread fire among other buff dependent classes too. (remind me not to join in one of these topics when i'm bored at work LOL)
Rayray Posted December 19, 2016 Report Posted December 19, 2016 No harm done. I think i do get why you would think that, since if a sinx gets dispelled his element is gone and most people are wearing GR which really cuts your damage off(even if you had EDP).
p3wp3w Posted December 19, 2016 Author Report Posted December 19, 2016 2 hours ago, buangka said: how about ws gring??? This thread is for WS Bring. Thanks.
coldjoke Posted December 19, 2016 Report Posted December 19, 2016 @Rayray sinx SB will get fked if they got dispelled...-DMG and +delay..SL on sinx does decrease the SB delay Palladin Buff, without those Buff, palladin aint as tanky as people think...true story Stalker/Clown, SL does make them so fast, almost like C.SPEED HP Holy Light...without SL...what damage does it do??40k ish??with SL..150K++ there are other classes as well but oh well of coz, dispell is a pain in the ass bro but you cant get dispell by using GTB, thats my whole point +1 on DAMAGE cart termi and -1 for undispellable
Rayray Posted December 19, 2016 Report Posted December 19, 2016 Correction: SinX on FULL BUFFS will get fked if they get dispelled, a decent one is not the end of the world for them. If your Paladin is useless with just one debuff, there's something wrong. SL for stalkers and clown is not part of THEIR OWN SKILL. for priests, that is why i made a suggestion on just making their HL get good damage without SL The only one skill i want undispellable on WS is the cart boost, everything else should be dispellable. do you guys not read O_O
qperteplex Posted December 19, 2016 Report Posted December 19, 2016 1. Yes, EDP doesn't get dispelled. Only dispell TAROT will do that 2. I would've suggested to buff WS HP instead so they would default to GTB like a WS I fought with back then but the HP buff would benefit all WS build and was only meant for WS CT build. So meh. +1 for Cart Boost being undispellable
coldjoke Posted December 19, 2016 Report Posted December 19, 2016 3 hours ago, Rayray said: Correction: SinX on FULL BUFFS will get fked if they get dispelled, a decent one is not the end of the world for them. If your Paladin is useless with just one debuff, there's something wrong. SL for stalkers and clown is not part of THEIR OWN SKILL. for priests, that is why i made a suggestion on just making their HL get good damage without SL The only one skill i want undispellable on WS is the cart boost, everything else should be dispellable. do you guys not read O_O Well...im talking about Sinx SB...which depend on LINK...if they get dispelled, it aint a the end of the world, but aint the end of the enemies either... and good luck playing palladin without buff....i didnt say 1 debuff, i meant palladin without isnt that TANKY....forced you to use GTB instead of ursa(which is applicable on WS too) Stalker and Clown is worse than WS IMO...these 2 like you said, link is from SL, and its pretty good buff for them...unlike WS, they need to get LINKED.... well, sry didnt read that clearly about only cart boost undispellable...i think thats fine if that is the only skill...
