Spitfire Posted May 21, 2014 Report Posted May 21, 2014 Alot of people knows, Sniper is Uber or shall we say not balance againts other characters. I've been in "SIMILAR" server as ForsakenRO so i'm so familiar of whats better for this type of characters. CHAMP DISAVANTAGES = (Server AFTER DELAY CAST for every skill is too much) *KIEL CARD IS REALLY NOT ENOUGH* (SNAP then ASURA, i know its not cool to have a very fast snap then asura BUT THE DELAY IS TOO MUCH).* i already know about KIEL CARDS but its still not enough* (TSS very LOW DAMAGE) *i already know that you can add more dmg by adding Echantments* (OCCULT in this server is very useless) The CHAMPION class is so EXCITING FUN and in this way your stripping all the goodness in it i know forsakenRO is awsome but this has to really change. i mean seriously, i've seen many pk server and i really know whats fun and exciting in pvp. champion class can do more than this. NOT TO MENTION = the battle in this server depends upon YGGberry/YGGseed. (i know a server that has same way too like no delay for ygg's but they changed it,THEY UPDATED A DELAY FOR USING YGGSEED/YGGBERRY = THE SERVER BECAME GREAT THEN,THEY SEE THE POTENTIAL IN EVERY CLASS BCUZ OF IT AND HOW GOOD YOU REALLY ARE. AFTER CAST DELAY SHOULD REALLY CHANGE (REASONABLE REASON IS,NOT ALL PEOPLE HAS GOOD PING TO MAINTAIN THE SPEED SERVER. i should say sniper is perfect for this server cuz not only you can *spam focus arrow very fast* the dmg is SO POWERFUL LOL and for the CHAMPION? this is my point snap+tss = very slow snap+occult very slow, alot of delays in champ that i dont even have to say and its really not good to depend on just asura... . i really hope this would really change, i may not able to explaine it very wisely and understandable but just play the damn champion not just for mvp but pvp and seriously ive been in other pk server 255/255 level i've been there, i know the drill, from update to update just to improve the server they also did that. especially when the yggseed spam really not good, it's like ygg vs ygg not by class anymore lol.. just saying but once this will change you will really see what im talking about. nothing will be lost to improve the server. by updating and updating. nways peace
Rayray Posted May 21, 2014 Report Posted May 21, 2014 A good champ will render a sniper useless due to pneuma.
-Si- Posted May 21, 2014 Report Posted May 21, 2014 -1 sorry but no. Champs are op, snipers are op. It is fine as it is. I've been on this server forever and any more advatage added to a champ will just make them even more powerful.
Royals™ Posted May 21, 2014 Report Posted May 21, 2014 even players with high ping can cope with the delays by utilizing some of it's skills tho...
Captain Obvious Posted May 21, 2014 Report Posted May 21, 2014 If your ping is a bit high, better not use champ for pvp. I see some good champs here even if theyre not fully geared. Snipers here are abit op cuz they can wear shields. If I were to suggest nerf to snipers, that would be NOT getting the full reducts of shields (i.e. friggs shield... maybe -20% dmg to demihuman instead of 25%)...but meh, there's lot of snipers here so I will just scrap the idea.
Maiimaii Posted May 21, 2014 Report Posted May 21, 2014 -99 to this you need to know how to play champ not to suggest like this thing
Rayray Posted May 21, 2014 Report Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) If your ping is a bit high, better not use champ for pvp. I see some good champs here even if theyre not fully geared. Snipers here are abit op cuz they can wear shields. If I were to suggest nerf to snipers, that would be NOT getting the full reducts of shields (i.e. friggs shield... maybe -20% dmg to demihuman instead of 25%)...but meh, there's lot of snipers here so I will just scrap the idea. I never had trouble against snipers on my biochemist Noxious cards and having multiple armors are your friend. Most snipers just spam FAS only and not trap nor use any other skill, which makes them easy targets. I really do not see why you guys consider them OP. Edited May 21, 2014 by Rayray
Maiimaii Posted May 21, 2014 Report Posted May 21, 2014 I never had trouble against snipers on my biochemist Noxious cards and having multiple armors are your friend. Most snipers just spam FAS only and not trap nor use any other skill, which makes them easy targets. I really do not see why you guys consider them OP. Ikr this pplz just need to know how to play RO properly AHUEHUEHUE no offense
Captain Obvious Posted May 21, 2014 Report Posted May 21, 2014 I never had trouble against snipers on my biochemist Noxious cards and having multiple armors are your friend. Most snipers just spam FAS only and not trap nor use any other skill, which makes them easy targets. I really do not see why you guys consider them OP. Maybe you weren't reading my post..never complained about FAS but I only stated the fact that they can wear shields.. and noxious is double edge, Thana~FAS will screw you. I never really had problems with snipers except most of them are so good at running..
Spitfire Posted May 21, 2014 Author Report Posted May 21, 2014 A good champ will render a sniper useless due t -99 to this you need to know how to play champ not to suggest like this thing hahahaha, such negative words coming out from a pro player. I don't wanna play your small tiny style. but for the sake of other people. this forsakenRO is open to any suggestions and like i said.. i've been throught many "PK SERVERS" 255/255 LEVEL and i don't know how to play Champ? from RagnarokOnline itself to pRO until i played High Rated PK SERVERS. My only intention here is to make things better. you haven't realise it yet but from the server i came from i experience EXTREME PVP,PK and even guild war. I even Experienced helping a server from bug to bug and just to improve the server community and gameplay. but enough talking close minded stuff, an example would wake some of the true players here. Yggberry/Yggseed spam was in the server i was before too. Until they updated and removed it they put both a delay for yggseed and longer for yggberry. you know why? cuz the fight is not all about YGG'S and the good thing about after they put delayed on ygg's? people realise how cool it is to survive and fight just for its "JOB CLASS" you can even determine how GOOD YOU REALLY ARE BY IT. and for this suggestion that i put? "it will never be only for CHAMPION. i got thousands of suggestions to make, bet on that lol. this server is unique and it would be so nice to SHARE your EXPERIENCE and SUGGESTIONS. that's how "FACEBOOK GOT RICH/POPULAR" HMM, i hope it's "LEGAL to put an example of other server EXAMPLE OF WHAT ITS LIKE TO HAVE. BALANCE DELAY/OR AFTER DELAY CAST. FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE TALKING ABOUT PING. its really NOT the ping they can really change the after cast delay in this game by itsefl.(i'm not suggestion too much but "just looking at this VIDEO EXAMPLE. The after CAST DELAY IS AWSOME and i can't even imagine how EPIC it would be if this will go to FRO. NOTICE: this video is CHAMP VS CHAMP 255/255level. You will even see why they don't die fast that's bcuz using yggseed but not spam ygg's theres 3/5 sec delay for it(using seed). Notice too that they can use FREELY as in CHAMPION "RAGING PALM STRIKE" without no super after delay cast with the combination of tss when Notice the speed of TSS so amazing they won't even just depend on ASURA ITSEFL. Notice Occult is not super duper long to cast. (pls don't comment me like why won't just i play on that server. well cuz, the server is dead..not bcuz of unpopularity but they staffs have somehow gone and the server was shutdown. AND I LOVE FRO i just want this server to IMPROVE MORE cuz i care and don't think my main IS CHAMP. lol, i'm open minded.
ChainBreak Posted May 21, 2014 Report Posted May 21, 2014 The TSS on this server can be done way faster than in that video as well as ragin palm strike. If you meet demi on for_fild just ask him to TSS spam you. I can assure you it's fast enough to keep up with sniper's FAS.
Bishop Posted May 21, 2014 Report Posted May 21, 2014 I don't think the spamrate on the champion class is anywhere near 'high'. A good champion can spam fast and can combine his skills perfectly fine with the current delays. Also as mentioned above, the spam speed in the video you linked is really slow compared to most champs on here :).
qperteplex Posted May 21, 2014 Report Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) Seriously? You are judging things on an early stage? Yeah, the ones you currently see on fild are great. Demi is a good friend but he seriously can't compare to the champs I have known here.http://www.forsaken-ro.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=23968&hl=champs#entry274656 Edit: Heres an example of what real champs here can do. Edited May 21, 2014 by qperteplex
Spitfire Posted May 21, 2014 Author Report Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) Seriously? You are judging things on an early stage? Yeah, the ones you currently see on fild are great. Demi is a good friend but he seriously can't compare to the champs I have known here. http://www.forsaken-ro.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=23968&hl=champs#entry274656 Edit: Heres an example of what real champs here can do. wow, i seriously love those speed that those two have... but it's too sad they are the only one who can taste that kind of speed and some people.. ow well, it would be nice for you to demonstrate too. same speed as what their doing like non other player. look at there asura no delays... tss is so very fast like the video itself has be forward.. nways, i'm not the only one having trouble with "AFTER CAST DELAY" or SKILL HAS FAILED IF SPAM" i do have 3 kiels on and 195 attack speed and surely i'm not the only one who's experiencing this type of speed. nways, "if only all the people in the server would experiencing that kind of speed" lol nways, thank you guys for your honest opinions.. i can hear you *cobra* thanks again and goodluck. RoK On!! Edited May 21, 2014 by Spitfire
ChainBreak Posted May 21, 2014 Report Posted May 21, 2014 Balance shouldn't be oriented at the weaker players. It should be oriented at the players at the top.
qperteplex Posted May 21, 2014 Report Posted May 21, 2014 wow, i seriously love those speed that those two have... but it's too sad they are the only one who can taste that kind of speed and some people.. ow well, it would be nice for you to demonstrate too. same speed as what their doing like non other player. look at there asura no delays... tss is so very fast like the video itself has be forward.. nways, i'm not the only one having trouble with "AFTER CAST DELAY" or SKILL HAS FAILED IF SPAM" i do have 3 kiels on and 195 attack speed and surely i'm not the only one who's experiencing this type of speed. nways, "if only all the people in the server would experiencing that kind of speed" lol nways, thank you guys for your honest opinions.. i can hear you *cobra* thanks again and goodluck. RoK On!! You asking me to play champ? I believe you know what type of connection we have here in the Philippines since you said you are from pRO. I don't play champ and the next char I would use is not it also. I wouldn't mind getting better ping but... FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE TALKING ABOUT PING. its really NOT the ping they can really change the after cast delay in this game by itsefl.(i'm not suggestion too much but "just looking at this VIDEO EXAMPLE You got a point, the server can indeed reduce the delay themselves by tweaking Kiel card further or creating a customized item but the server tends to follow rules as what other servers are also doing (i.e. the constraints that items and card has) to keep balance in check as what other servers are also trying to achieve. Those constraints are overridden by players with exceptional ping. If you are still saying its not about ping, then you are definitely wrong. AFAIK, Dragon's Fury is american hence the video.
Forum~ Posted May 22, 2014 Report Posted May 22, 2014 Disagree. I would become too overpowered if this happened. 1
Rayray Posted May 23, 2014 Report Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) Maybe you weren't reading my post..never complained about FAS but I only stated the fact that they can wear shields.. and noxious is double edge, Thana~FAS will screw you. I never really had problems with snipers except most of them are so good at running.. Here's the thing. Most FAS snipers treat their build as crit, to actually deal good damage. Therefore, their equips are crit related. Most of the time, they will do the crit damage since they can easily get 100+ crit rate with falcon eyes and ifrit cards. So with that in mind, thana is rarely used on FAS, and most of the time it just deals lesser damage and not constant. So if I see an FAS sniper, I can assume he do not have thana and therefore just use noxious. And it is so easy to switch cloaks so there is no problem. Edited May 23, 2014 by Rayray
sartorius19 Posted May 25, 2014 Report Posted May 25, 2014 -1. Champs are good as it is at the moment.
Aerynth Posted May 25, 2014 Report Posted May 25, 2014 (edited) Too many new players, too little time invested getting to know the server. Veterans please educate. Jokes. I just came here to say hi, and I haven't been on a while to know what's really going on with the server but if my clicks from way back claims to not have any problem then there shouldn't be any. Judging from the way this was written, I'm sure you are from a country with high ping, which I myself am from as well. Just don't play champ, I gave up playing champ a long time ago with my ping. I can't play it efficiently as I wanted, other classes are just as fun. Try LK. Edited May 25, 2014 by Aerynth
Rayray Posted May 26, 2014 Report Posted May 26, 2014 ^ Well it takes time to get used to this server, with all the customs and changes to skills etc. Too many new players are just impatient because gears(legendary and vote fsets) can be gotten so easily, way faster than we had before. This makes them get geared fast but not attain most of the gameplay skills you need. Kinda like when we see new players who donated on their first day and expected themselves to be gods when they enter fild01. If it was like back then, where it took you weeks or even months to get decently carded and geared, players who stuck by then were a bit more experienced imo.
Zombee Posted May 26, 2014 Report Posted May 26, 2014 Seriously? You are judging things on an early stage? Yeah, the ones you currently see on fild are great. Demi is a good friend but he seriously can't compare to the champs I have known here. http://www.forsaken-ro.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=23968&hl=champs#entry274656 Edit: Heres an example of what real champs here can do. BN worked on Champs back then, just saying.
