kanoski Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 insulting..who me..they are the one call me dumbass.so wht should i do..oky all eyz on me..all eyz on me..like ive said theres no need to change..all chrcts are balnce..personal attc of course its pk in for fild.im not the one in personal attck..victoria expled me to kaos guild.so wht is that? BISHOP...tons of post?they reply on my post..so i have to reply too.. they call me selfish..haha all players are in good position thts why i post.. so whos the selfish..the players have to decreased some chrcters ability.just for personal purpose..im not complaining even i dont have good gears...coz i got my satisfaction..it will ruin the fro..coz of this suggestion.. idc wht will happen to my chrc i will stand on my post..all the chrcters are balance and good shape.if killed somebody in pk ur happy..if u cant run to suggestion and decreased some ability. ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellysky Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 haha... oh pls... y r u so angry? is just a simple suggestion... either it approve or not i dont really care... i just stating what i feel... depend on what pally... pally mostly is defend so it cant kill any1 except those that went to commit suicide... prof got advantage to wiz but wiz can win too if u know how... for example when both using gtb... wiz stave deal higher dmg than prof n got skills to cancle off aoe spells sl to any int type? then what the purpose of stave? lk to gs... i see pro gs killing lk easily as for ninja... only WS can kill it easily... other jobs take too long and too much work not all class got pneuma and the card that give it have a low chance... u got tons of time to hit us while we cant do anything to u... yeah i also kills pto GS killd LK but semi geared ones.. and pro lk vs pro gs still lk has the advantage. since spiral piercr got longer range than despi. as even faster than rapid shower. and lk has more hp than gs.. but still gs can manage to kill lk but like other clases on killing ninjas. needs lots of effort and tecniq.. u cant say u cant do anything on ninjas like what uv said its still a lot of effort to kill ninjas.. ninjas do lots of effort to kill u too and any of ur classes. . ninjas has a very low hp. ninja cant tank any damages by spamming yggs or seeds. ninja user should have fast hand and reflexes for css and flip tatami to avoid damages and attack.. coz if they do a wrong move they will die for instant.. only css and flip tatami i didnt mention warping.. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellysky Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 as i saw on this topic.. u are suggesting that other classes should be able to kill ninjas easy. in that case it'll destroy the balance and ninja's will be totally useless even how pro is ur ninjas set are. like for example. this like suggesting dropping pallys max hp to 100k limit even on level 255/255 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanoski Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 as i saw on this topic.. u are suggesting that other classes should be able to kill ninjas easy. in that case it'll destroy the balance and ninja's will be totally useless even how pro is ur ninjas set are. like for example. this like suggesting dropping pallys max hp to 100k limit even on level 255/255 see this is the main point..it will ruin the balance..haha nice nellysky thumbs up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellysky Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 if u want to hit more ninja. by suggesting the change of flip and css u shall also sugest increasing ninjas hp to 100%.. so we can reach 250 above max hp. +L kunai and shuriken.. and unlimited usage of ninja stone on doing skill.. or SUGGES KAGEROU AND OBBORO CLASS TO BE EMPLEMTED ON THIS SERVER.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayray Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 How can it ruin balance when there is no balance to speak of? You guys are complaining about low hp on ninjas? My soul linker barely has 100k hp with eidelic wing and I don't have the skills css and flip tatami. Leap is disabled in PvP room so that's useless there, auto resu is not allowed in events such as LMS and GVG if im not mistaken., and soul linker is a magic class, so i am screwed by GTB. I can't even use my best skill(Esma) against people. Your skills are allowed across all events and pvp room, you don't have a problem against gtb or against magic classes since you can default gtb with no problems. a few seconds delay on flip tatami and css wouldn't ruin a good ninja. With that in mind, would people allow Soul Linker skills be enabled? OF COURSE NOT. Because even if I would like it, it would ruin the balance of things. If you make my soul linker gain high hp, allow esma to hit people, allow leap in pvp room and allow my skills in gvg and lms and br, I am pretty sure it will be OP and people will use the class. As of now, only 2 of us even use soul linker, compared to how many ninjas are because they are so easy to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kohongiap Posted May 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 as i saw on this topic.. u are suggesting that other classes should be able to kill ninjas easy. in that case it'll destroy the balance and ninja's will be totally useless even how pro is ur ninjas set are. like for example. this like suggesting dropping pallys max hp to 100k limit even on level 255/255 for ur infor... ninja is a 1st class job so it originally got lesser bonus stats/effect than rebirth class... and it has already been given some boost on hp and so much on damage... not even talking about your original class skills CCS/Tatami... like what Zero said... Soul Linker is so weak compared to Ninja when it is a 2nd job insulting..who me..they are the one call me dumbass.so wht should i do..oky all eyz on me..all eyz on me..like ive said theres no need to change..all chrcts are balnce..personal attc of course its pk in for fild.im not the one in personal attck..victoria expled me to kaos guild.so wht is that? BISHOP...tons of post?they reply on my post..so i have to reply too.. they call me selfish..haha all players are in good position thts why i post.. so whos the selfish..the players have to decreased some chrcters ability.just for personal purpose..im not complaining even i dont have good gears...coz i got my satisfaction..it will ruin the fro..coz of this suggestion.. idc wht will happen to my chrc i will stand on my post..all the chrcters are balance and good shape.if killed somebody in pk ur happy..if u cant run to suggestion and decreased some ability. ^_^ lol your still new... so u might not know... ever since this server started... many suggestion was considered to balance up all jobs available... from time to time... so this isnt something new that people like me suggest some changes about a certain class... for instant... prof was nerf so many times due to their super high matk boost from cards thus many cards doesnt work for prof now... thanatos used to work on champ's TSS that its so powerful... none can win... cause using ray u survive asura but die from TSS... ws now require kiels to spam unlike previously etc etc... many more but lazy list... haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zergling Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Seriously... Ninja are the most broken class on this server as of right now, they don't get hit with anything and they can default GTB without any risk of death. If you think that all ninja will be useless because they can't spam flip tatami then you're a shitty ninja because you're relying on a skill that's meant to ASSIST not fully protect the class. Now then a small delay of 2-3 seconds on flip tatami and cast off cicada will cause ninja to actually have to swap gears instead of playing bitch and using 1 set and running from every hit. Stop being biased and actually look at what the server needs in regards to class changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supream Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 Ninjas don't need a nerf, nor do they need a buff. The only two classes that have the most difficulty against ninjas are clowns and snipers since all of their attacks are ranged. Profs and wizes have a problem with any class that uses gtb. The only thing that makes ninjas hard to kill is the fact that most of them warp away which is a different problem entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kohongiap Posted May 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 Ninjas don't need a nerf, nor do they need a buff. The only two classes that have the most difficulty against ninjas are clowns and snipers since all of their attacks are ranged. Profs and wizes have a problem with any class that uses gtb. The only thing that makes ninjas hard to kill is the fact that most of them warp away which is a different problem entirely. wiz and prof got a boost on stave to fight ppl with gtb... so at least u got a way to hit them... but that doesnt apply to ninja... since CCS/Tatami both block stave... and land protector doesnt cancle off tatami effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellysky Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 (edited) nerfing ninjas best defensiv skill is making this class useless. yes it is 1st job.and gs as wel but ragnarok creators make this classes to be able to compit with rebirth class.. thers a lot of pipol already saying that thers a lot of way of defeating ninjas.if u cant kill ninja with ur class just die.. if ur a warper just warp.. this class is doing fine on this server no nid to nerf with and ninjas are not actualy OP. they are just annoying.. Ninjas don't need a nerf, nor do they need a buff. The only two classes that have the most difficulty against ninjas are clowns and snipers since all of their attacks are ranged. Profs and wizes have a problem with any class that uses gtb. The only thing that makes ninjas hard to kill is the fact that most of them warp away which is a different problem entirely. yes indeed.. like what ive said ther some char and such build that overed powered some. and ther other char than is overpowered ninja as well.. if ur char cant beat a ninja. its natural.. coz if all char can kill easy ninjas that easy. much better to suggest to remove ninja class on the server.. Edited May 31, 2013 by nellysky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bboygarrison Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 naw man... its called a ninja for a reason right? cicada and flip tatami, yes they are annoying, but when they flip, i just wait til the tatami wears off, if they keep tatami, i use good old taunting to do the trick xD and they go with cicada, then i just attack them and when they're backed off, i tease again xD he gets pissed, and then attacks, then just ets carried away, then either he or me gets killed xD its just strategy bro... and i like to annoy ninjas when they use cicada xD they cant get near xD so if you would just take the cicada and tatami, then better remove the ninja class... but we dont want that right? so -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supream Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 Why do you guys keep saying that land protector doesn't stop flip tatami when it does. If there not fully in land protector when they use it then thats the only time it doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zergling Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 No I have tested the tatami and it doesn't get removed with land protector. The class gets beat by who the occasional WS, or a lord knight? Maybe a champ if they know what they are doing? Other than that there's no real way to beat a ninja they dodge everything and deal 10k+ damage per hit with kunai, and you want to buff them? Seriously you must be joking. The class won't be useless if the tatami has a 1-3 second delay and the cicada has a 1-3 second delay. It will simply force the players to learn their class better and not rely on spamming skills to make you immortal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellysky Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 tatamis effect last a second after pressing skill. actualy u dont have to spam it fast. even ther a second delay. as long the ninja hold its position tatami still has an effect that last a seconds. i tested it using no kiel wen i was a newbie i spam tatami and even it takes 3 to 4 sec of delay range still keep on missing me. but tatami cancels wen u move 1 cell.. tatamis effect last also a sec may be 3 to 4 sec as wel wen ur on position.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayray Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 ^ so with that in mind, wouldn't it be not game breaking if we put delays on both skills? because as you said, you don't have to really spam tatami. the reason why it makes ninjas near immortal if they know what they are doing is because both skills can be spammed, tatami gets it's effect removed when you move a cell, so tatami is removed when you get pushed by cicada, but then again, you can use cicada and tatami again to reset it. So, if we put delays on both skills, it would give a chance for most players to hit the ninja, without the ninja class being useless since the delay isn't that huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kohongiap Posted June 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 Why do you guys keep saying that land protector doesn't stop flip tatami when it does. If there not fully in land protector when they use it then thats the only time it doesn't work. land protector really doesnt work... i tried it with my prof... the ninja is literally in the middle and all i can do is spam ygg and he spam both tatami and kunai together... n my stave doesnt hit at all... which lasted for 3-4mins before he got tired and warp off or i finally!!! managed to stave him once that pushes him backward since he got CSS and he went hidding... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellysky Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 ^ so with that in mind, wouldn't it be not game breaking if we put delays on both skills? because as you said, you don't have to really spam tatami. the reason why it makes ninjas near immortal if they know what they are doing is because both skills can be spammed, tatami gets it's effect removed when you move a cell, so tatami is removed when you get pushed by cicada, but then again, you can use cicada and tatami again to reset it. So, if we put delays on both skills, it would give a chance for most players to hit the ninja, without the ninja class being useless since the delay isn't that huge. ninja has a very low hp. if we put delay on the certain skill i think it would be fare by increasing ninjas HP as wel so ninja can tank damage thyl recieved and theyl not just die for an instant.. and infact ninja cant even kill u if theyl just keep on spamming on ther blocking skill. mostly ninja was hit wen theyl attact its not that hard to kill a ninja if they just dont do warping. like anybodies do... land protector really doesnt work... i tried it with my prof... the ninja is literally in the middle and all i can do is spam ygg and he spam both tatami and kunai together... n my stave doesnt hit at all... which lasted for 3-4mins before he got tired and warp off or i finally!!! managed to stave him once that pushes him backward since he got CSS and he went hidding... like what iv said. other char actualy overpowered some... yes indeed prof cant defeat ninjas that easy. as wel as wiz cant easy defeat prof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zergling Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 uhh.... wizards will beat prof without any problems. I have seen it done plenty of times. Anyway Ninja have enough HP to tank the issue is that the current ninja are all using GTB as their main shield and that's why they take a shit ton of damage. If the ninja used usk they would be able to tank just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kohongiap Posted June 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 uhh.... wizards will beat prof without any problems. I have seen it done plenty of times. Anyway Ninja have enough HP to tank the issue is that the current ninja are all using GTB as their main shield and that's why they take a shit ton of damage. If the ninja used usk they would be able to tank just fine. true! |O.o| survive my WS atk so many times n fight well... furthermore she doesnt warp :) is the only ninja i respect now... after Ulap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanoski Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 try to delayed flip ninja and also Cicada? lolz Ninja int type has have problems on there weight try to add to Try's Enlargement weight so ninja can carry more wind stone its be nice for all ninja Ninja want L kunai other character have GOOD L ammo try to be fair on all job if u have Sniper have good damage and Gunslinger bcoz of the L ammo i hope ninja also have L quest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NayharaR2 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 -1 i yeah i cant carry more wind stone i try int type so hard i hope ninja have also enlargement weight more powers to FRO :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellysky Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 -1 i yeah i cant carry more wind stone i try int type so hard i hope ninja have also enlargement weight more powers to FRO :) +to this.. i always has a problem of my weigth cant carry more seeds or yggs like other does since int type doesnt have a str required for stats.. i carry hundreds of stones on my inventory.. i hope using of stones will be unlimited. no nid to buy at mall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NayharaR2 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 +1 on idea unlimited stone using for ninja skills magic so u can carry more seeds gm should be know that nice nellysky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 +1 on idea unlimited stone using for ninja skills magic so u can carry more seeds gm should be know that nice nellysky It would be easier for the GMs if you post your suggestion at the suggestion thread :) i might try a kamaitachi type ninja if that were to get implemented :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
