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yea we all made the exact same points as u did I was actually against the nerf as well but many people had valid points since MB is easily available all u need is a prof in an alt guild u can get MB forever. Its just how high the dmg was before the nerf was a bit unbalanced. 200% does sound ok to me so fine +1

AMG a SL user! ? Hello id +1 ur suggestion but Runes can only have 2 of those 3 buffs u mentioned ( either points 1+3 or points 2+3) but it cannot have all 3 that would make it a bit imbalanced caz SL has the higher hp of all the bolter classes except sn Id suggest Siroma/Imp effect+ stave crasher dmg buff for the runes since sl has no other magic skills for pvp but bolts

I think the testing was done thoroughly for hwiz before it was nerfed to 180% it still is possible to do decent dmg in pvp with MB+ Mystical Amp with the right cards if u know which to use the only regret for WS and Wiz Napalm after its nerf is killing bijou and using it in FW raid got so much harder

I don't see a reason for the shield tho if u have forsaken raider card 99 def makes u beyond tanky already and there are ways u can tank mvps in raids with PD or Prof + blackmist/sw etc but its a harmless suggestion so if ul really want 1 sure +1

the magic reflect cards kind of make the users vulnerable to other dmg so in a party fight this helps ur teammates do more dmg on them there is balance in it caz more magic reflect = lesser dmg redux for physical attacks so its fine the way it is I feel

+1 I need more stats for my sn ?

+1 seems good to me we can either skoll or raydric+ pouring to get a more balanced cloak. -1 for the original suggestion tho I do about 98k FAS dmg with max gear and ship hat if u give me a Divine HG with ship hat stats its a No No but maybe 10% can be increased to 20% in case of ds since its got no love atm but fas remain the same at 10%

Dude WS literally Has 1 skill Napalm that's it they have max 24-26k matk (Kafra vs Ltd hat) This is with rata included. Wizards have 34k matk fyi so u can see why I said so. Also my WS has 200k hp for max Dmg build Without Energy Coat I literally die In 1 asura.... I use Devling +Raydric to survive so I die faster to other classes. Also Kafra has been nerfed too to 25% instead of 40% Ur looking towards nerfing a class that would be rendered useless if nerfed. I mean u guys wanna attack a ws g or a sn class. Im literally the only 1 who plays these classes would that be enuf to explain why ? caz they need the effort to make it work and are pretty much useless if countered.

I actually did contribute and it wasn't me that was the only 1 spamming. I mentioned in my 1st message about gypsy/clown. Said wiz was fine ws g was fine SG was nerfed before so no to ur suggestion etc etc. Uhm I dunno if u Recently saw the nerf on Wiz redux they cant go 95% redux anymore they can only use bless ace* and energy coat and their damage has been significantly reduced already . If u wanna reduce it anymore ur going to kill that ring ( basically not much diference btwn Bless and g variant anymore) . For the WS G 0 nerfs required till a complete remake of that ring is thought of caz I wouldn't allow the ring to just be killed of its already just 1 skill with nerfed dmg . You cannot simply say u want to nerf it caz its hard to fight the class. Champs can go max dmg with 2 fbh and holowrings and get pally Support and do 380k Asura on 2 rays but u don't see many ppl complain bout it caz that build makes u a glass cannon. A wiz right now has the option of going either for HP( vit)for survival or become glass cannons with 100k hp and max dmg since no more max redux builds. ITs similar to champs I do not understand why u want to nerf it further Clowns/Gypsys I agreed with u but not dmg nerf it has to be HP they have over 300k-330k Hp while doing that dmg Bio C I agree with u as well but not dmg since it can be reflected and reduced. Target their hp ( remove the 20% hp buff from brutal hats) they also get 15% hp from DA that's too much hp buff for BIO c so reduce the HP % on C ring to balace it My frnd has 380-400k hp with 120k mamo dmg which is way too much.. Starglad needs too much effort + needs a pally all the time to work also has been nerfed drastically ages ago so id say let it be. Only reason I was being mean was all these nerfs made 0 sense to me since ur not making up for wat ur nerfing ( like If u reduce dmg give them a bit hp or smthing caz these classes have already been nerfed a lot)

I apologize if I was being too harsh but I mean that class is already given so much injustice so it kinda hit a nerve wen he made that suggestion As for the MB part I agree its still decent but I literally have 24k matk and 200k hp w/o energy coat dude that's like 10k lower matk for literally same dmg and only 1 skil.

There we go It just has to be about fights with you and clearly insulting some one is very justifiable to u. all I called u was a trigger happy kid that doesn't even count as an insult.

And everything has to be a fight for you. I ask u to enlighten me and u criticize me again.

this 1 comment that's it rest I did make sense but u wanna be aggressive and call me undedicated or wot not clearly ur the better man I wont stop since u know it all.

all I was being was defensive Brian the only part I was actually being mean was

Ur acting like a trigger happy kid u need to be more mature dude ( u certainly act like ur more mature then all of us all the time) so why not prove it with your typing or comments as well im not putting words in ur mouth uve put words in mine with ur comeback.

u know what brian I think ur delusional ur contradicting urself here. Ur saying my typing is by sm1 whos not educated( but u know im educated) Yet people seem to understand it please explain to me why do u believe only educated people have a standing OR Right to type on this forums - Enlighten me

are u seriously telling me u typed this with 0 spite? U targeted this at me + uve just insulted every non educated person in this world saying they cant type. Please u need to step off ur mighty horse sir People do not need education to communicate is all im saying.

this is just forums for another topic dude u do not need to be so aggressive at me. Ive typed about 5 sentences and only of which 1 sentence was aggressive or targeted at meet. uve Typed a comeback at me with 3 paragraphs however Accurate it is it was only to get back at me not prove a point though. Please be brief and to the point next time.

As I said again u know sm1 w/o an education typed it how? is the sentence understandable like w/o the grammar just the English typed. Caz most uneducated people can type as well I can name at least 40 Successful business people who have succeeded in life w/o an education yet they can type really well too. You want to insult some1 for not being educated too? That's show 0 sensibility people are people they do not need an education just to make a point. Language is a mode of communication to make bonds or understanding between people .You need to be more understanding and mature enough to know that.

clearly this wasn't spite at all. no need to say im not educated brian I can show u my Undergrad+ Post grad + Thesis + grades if u want ( Education doesn't mean u need to type 100% accurately u can be brief and use acronyms and be to the point and yet be educated That's quite insulting

I was reffering to their redux Nerf brian ( what was really cancer was they could do 250k Napalms with 95% dmg redux) that's changed now Uhh 2 ols isn't a counter its a suicide bomber there's a bit of a difference I didn't contradict myself. This isn't some University where standards of some ones typing has to be accurate/Perfect . You wanna be aggressive at me that's fine but still what ive said isn't wrong so attack me if you want and what I said is understandable so if u cant understand it that aint my fault I apologize if it was. As for the SN please Brian Play the class if u want its got many counters. As for the 100k mamo and huge HP I agree that was the recent 30% attack buff that was given to weapon I was wondering why they got a buff and asked for a nerf u can talk to GM Ebisu about it. As for the playing champ part fine lemme fight u then, im no good on the class but if u allow David to give me pally devo I could pack a punch and show u. As for the out of spite part maybe it was out of a bit spite since hes targeting a class that has already been nerfed maybe( WS ) and also hes got an attitude im not comfortable with. Ur Biased in this situation towards Meet there are plenty of unbalanced classes I agreed to that too But what hes suggesting is nerfing w/o balance as I pointed out if u cant see that then clearly ur mistaken again.

yo meet whatever u just proposed all the classes have been nerfed recently and also SG has been nerfed ages ago. You have only recently come back and u expect whole server to throw a red carpet and agree to everything u say. Like Wiz just got nerfed their dmg doesn't cross 120k Each napalm with max Dmg build unles(Mystic or Mind break) It used to be 250k before w/o buffs lol. GS the nerf u suggest is reduce dmg even more when it was just nerfed that's fair but then increase their hp significantly then caz they got really low Hp ( u want balance? suggest it properly) . WS- this is where u g0t 0 knowledge of this game The ws g ring is the brain child of Mizel ( the ring has only 1 skill Napalm and no other unlike wiz g ring where they got many skills) like literally renders the class useless if gtb or non gr and u wanna sit and nerf it(after it was already nerfed just a while ago). *Slow Clap* Instead try to come up with a Change for the entire ring ill agree with u infact id applaud u. Though please stop suggesting stuff w/o actually playing the class also making it unbalanced. U nerf smthing add smthing instead. And u have forgotten the most crucial class of all Champs 1 class periodically ppl complain about always and u haven't even mentioned it Why? caz u play it as simple as that. Also your entire argument is flawed ( Magic class has the easiest counter in the world its called a gtb / Where as champs what do u do to counter them enlighten me Caz anything u do to counter them u risk being vulnerable to other classes) And as for Pally support any class can be equally good with pally support u wanna sit and snap around and run into Mind breaked wizards and WS that's on u not the class or other players fault that hes op. Just use counters which are very easy btw or take the help of a pally and go gtb ( bless ace shld help u there maybe get 1) I cld agree with the Gypsy/clown G but seems a bit too much of a nerf since its already just 90-100k dmg. Id say reduce their hp buff that shld work better ( it makes them be glass cannons or if they want HP sacrifice dmg) More simpler id say

Uhm wew kewl emps @Perishable +1 for design ? I really hope its possible to get it in these colours th3y l00k fanc3y. Though for the Quest part since this is a completely 100% farmable item id say the difficulty in obtaining it has to be increased 3*times the items u suggested to make it and possibly a raid lol (not too difficult but just for the kick of new content atleast but only an option) Id say like 5-10 more items to be farmed or quested shld make it worthwhile. Atm most worthwhile items have huge quest-lines and requirements so the new item should be similar with a storyline or questline with a good difficulty. Id say it would be fair and this can be even collected for fashion or Utility by every1! ?

@Maschine Studio I agree prsts cant do anything but luk pretty once dispelled but im saying Let prsts have HP soul link skill so they can self cast it, But letting them have a Soul link permanently on top of being non dispellable sounds wierd. Also i wasnt reffering to only these 4 classes when i said i meant for example a Whitesmith has 7-9 skills that need to be active to do dmg with CT ( so what ur asking for HP i shld ask for WS meaning let my skills be non dispellable so i can do dps all the time?) doesnt make sense im just saying hypothetically most classes need buffs/self buffs to do dps My sugestion is to let them have SOUL LINK Skill for each respective class but Its ok if its dispelled caz u can cast it again on urself. This suggestion has been made many times before u btw and its believed to be unscriptable or hard to script it.

@Maschine Studio So lets assume for a min that not every1 can donate 200$ at a go. Take the lowest 1 for example 1440 for 40$ = 360:10$, and 2nd 390:10. and 3rd 405:10$ And so on till 420:10$. What im suggesting is to start it at 1st option 500:10$ - 2000:40$ and have increments similarly till 200$. Id say 360-500 would be a good option since many ppl cld just donate for toks.... if u disagree its fine but dont make me sound bad at math ?