Thanatos Cards!

[Genesis]

I hope you all realize, Asura also got a boost from the extra damage to demi humans.

[Anarii]

I hope you all realize, Asura also got a boost from the extra damage to demi humans.

Is it just the 15%?

[Dr. Tran]

if its only 15%, wouldn't a hydra or goldenring do a better job. and IF its only target to demi human, fbh would ruin the boost.

[Devotion]

JUST 15% can mean a big difference.

1. The decision was made for the greater majority of the population.

2. Until something is done about GTB, no one has really much right to complain about pvp unfairness with a melee class.

3. Many of you need to realize that no matter who you think the GM's are, we're here to work for you, we're doing our job. And realize how lucky you are to have an Admin who is on the forums everyday and is working on the server all the time. Hell, Relinquish logs almost everyday. A lot of the very hard work that goes into the things you enjoy is hush and behind the scenes. Appreciate what you've got.

[Genesis]

As I said before, it is not what the description says. Its better than Goldenring.

[sarduarkar]

My 2 cents, not that it matters. I'm going with the side that thana nerf is okay (at least for now), no offense to my many friends who are supporting the other side. Although it takes out one available dynamic to the class, in terms of "balance," it's just simply more reasonable at the moment.

1. Saying that thana nerf ruins the class just doesn't make sense in light of the fact that 95-99% of the populace doesn't even have thana to begin with. It's like saying the rest of the server can never effectively pvp on champ, period (because they could never use it to begin with).

Side rebuttal: [i kinda get Pete's argument of "only 3 champs can be called good", and in looking at those cases, there are no more "good" champs anymore cause of nerf? (hope im not misunderstanding). It's basically saying, "yea, 99% of the server DOESN'T pvp effectively" in response to above. But such a statement also implies that thana is a considerable reason why you guys are at the top if you look at it the other way around (which also argues for the other side). Personally, I know that's not true. You guys are skilled for many more reasons than just that. My belief is that you guys could easily remain at the top of the champ class even without thana.]

2. I don't think people are being too wrong when they talk about one shotting. Someone who can effectively switch between thana TSS, full asura, and coma can slice through people like butter. Champs are the only class with a reliable one hit kill (even against people in GR). Every other class could thana you, and force you into skolls, yet not monopolize on the fact that you aren't in immunes anymore. Sure AD and sacrifice can do a little more damage, but if the opponent has GR, they can still survive. Against a champ, if you can't be in full reduction, it just means you lost instantly. Champs have so many skills going for them (SNAP in and away from combat easily, root denies melee coma so you can stay in usakoring, a great ranged skill and a dangerous one hit damage nuke, pps, etc).

3. I do enjoy the deadly battles against arcanum, crono, limitless and other skilled, thana-using, champs. I feel pvp would be more challenging, fast paced, and more complex if we could have more classes deadly like this. Less battles where both have to just milk berries till one runs out, the better (more dynamics = less boring). But the fact of the matter is, at the moment, there is only one class that benefits this greatly from one card.

My posts are always too long. I don't expect anyone to read. =P

[Syntax]

Ironically, the champions that were considered "bests" all had Thanatos.

How about re-evaluating champions now?

[Sorrow]

Such a fuss over something so simple...

Thana for TSS was rigged, it got fixed. For the scales to stay in the same height you have to take from the heavier side and put in the lighter side, that's what balance is about. Nerfs and buffs are necessary to create this ever dreamt balance.

Claims to be skilled and moans at such a small problem.

End of the story.

ahhhhh...it is good to say a sentence like this after hearing things alike so much... ^^

[kuoch]

right when i got a thana, the nerf happen. kinda sucks how i cant experience the thana tssing.

other then that. i got nothing else to say atm.

[Terroryst]

The hell is tl;dr?

@Sard : I completely agree with you. Reason 2 sounds best to me.

[Levis]

if its only 15%, wouldn't a hydra or goldenring do a better job. and IF its only target to demi human, fbh would ruin the boost.

It's not better as other cards, because now Champions can use TSS and Asura in one weapon. That means for you not stupid change of weapons all the time, because 90% of the Champions use only 2 weapons: TSS wit hThana Weapon & Asura Weapon. I use 4 Weapons (not telling what cards in it and what for). So I can now have a nice dmg without change TSS or Asura Weapons. I think I can be better now as before( I am not the best on Champions). That's the point my friend Ming.

[Diablo336]

The nerf is gay.

[Anarii]

The hell is tl;dr?

too long; didnt read

i think..

[sarduarkar]

Hope what I said didn't come across wrong. I don't mean in any way to demean those champs who had thana. Crono, Arcanum, Limit, Vortex, etc... I've fought them on numerous occasions, and they are all very skilled. They swap well, adapt fast, and are solid players. Just saying, the thana nerf doesn't necessarily kill the class and might be warranted for now, until maybe other classes can get the same kinda beefing or something along those lines.

[Spongebob Squarepants]

Screw Thanatos cards, they make the game gay and make noobs seem good. I'm to lazy these days to switch through over 9000 peices of armor!

You guys really changed the topic. He/She wasn't even talking about how Thanatos card got nerfed on champs.

[-Insane-]

I just noticed, everybody seems to be saying champ is the only class that can one-shot with thana/icepick.

If you're facing a 300 vit paladin without skolls/GT, almost *every* class can one shot him.

One shot final strike, one shot cart term, one shot sand attack etc.

By the way, I wonder if using ice pick + FO on a stalker still works, or if you can even FO using daggers. I know it's possible using bows, so why shouldn't it be?

[Hrist]

I just noticed, everybody seems to be saying champ is the only class that can one-shot with thana/icepick.

If you're facing a 300 vit paladin without skolls/GT, almost *every* class can one shot him.

One shit final strike, one shot cart term, one shot sand attack etc.

By the way, I wonder if using ice pick + FO on a stalker still works, or if you can even FO using daggers. I know it's possible using bows, so why shouldn't it be?

Champs can't wear icepick. I take back what I said about you.

Go take your lol someplace else.

[-Insane-]

Champs can't wear icepick.

Ya, but stalkers can.

I take back what I said about you.

wat

Go take your lol someplace else.

y so srs

[Dr. Tran]

As I said before, it is not what the description says. Its better than Goldenring.

If its not like the description says, post scripts plz.

[renzy]

Lol, its funny how the veterans with thanatos don't complain and all the people who can't do anything but go champ thana complains 24/7. If you're good enough to get a thanatos, then you're good enough to play champ without it, or make another character besides a champ and use it. Or, in some case, people think other class cuk and all they know how to do is pack full str and get owned by a freaking reflect sinx. Seriously, if you're good enough to get a thana, you're good enough to play without it. Don't complain. Out of the people that has a thanatos, only about 3 are complaining, and its really pointless.

[Tick]

My piece of advice to everyone: If you see a paladin, get killed first on your current character (sinx, champ), then come back as a Whitesmith while they're expecting you to come back on your previous character.

[/endrant]

Or just find me ingame.

[The Black Santa]

Lol the topic is completely changed from teh first post. :blink:

[Diablo336]

Lol, its funny how the veterans with thanatos don't complain and all the people who can't do anything but go champ thana complains 24/7. If you're good enough to get a thanatos, then you're good enough to play champ without it, or make another character besides a champ and use it. Or, in some case, people think other class cuk and all they know how to do is pack full str and get owned by a freaking reflect sinx. Seriously, if you're good enough to get a thana, you're good enough to play without it. Don't complain. Out of the people that has a thanatos, only about 3 are complaining, and its really pointless.

I'm not complaining, but thanatos didn't really need a nerf. At least there are ways of countering it and reducing it's damage, whereas a card that has no real counter (gtb) remain unnerfed. It's dumb.

[Eregon]

It's dumb to complain about a card nerf but still be able to do good damage, when there is a card like GTB.

[Diablo336]

It's dumb to complain about a card nerf but still be able to do good damage, when there is a card like GTB.

copycat. :/