Suggestion: Can We Have A Battle Grounds In Our Community?

[Rayray]

We go ol'fashion, why not Valkyrie set and Diablo set? Have a battle ground with no custom items on. I miss this. Veterans can still be noob therefore fair play for newcomers. Afraid this might not be popular? Give good rewards, people bound to join.

This seems to be the best idea here. Lets go this way. That way, items are not the issue.

[tongenorga]

maybe the items are not the issue for having fun but for farmers they badly need that one bro... xD but all in all this will have fun... please support my suggestion to put a battle grounds here to be more enjoyable more than hunting and less to be bored...

[nilo16]

This seems to be the best idea here. Lets go this way. That way, items are not the issue.

I think this might lead to more imbalance.

Currently classes are been worked into balance assuming higher stars

And the custom items.

removing them will cause some major unbalance between classes.

And then ppl will start asking for balancing around bg's and that's a duwnward slope.

Just eg: snipers will lose use of shield, same for Gs who will also be left with only western outlaw only 2slots....also

. not to mention valk/ Diablo gears are not equipable by non trans.

This is just one can of worms that u do not want to open.

Plus its more motivating for me to gear myself up for bg when I know I can actually use that gear.

Do not restrict gear pvp for any game has and always will be gear and skill dependant.

it's a formulae that works , so just make it un restricted. Ppl I assure u will gear up for it.

New players like me will be more motivated to get gears to compete.

[Aerynth]

I think this might lead to more imbalance.

Currently classes are been worked into balance assuming higher stars

And the custom items.

removing them will cause some major unbalance between classes.

And then ppl will start asking for balancing around bg's and that's a duwnward slope.

Just eg: snipers will lose use of shield, same for Gs who will also be left with only western outlaw only 2slots....also

. not to mention valk/ Diablo gears are not equipable by non trans.

This is just one can of worms that u do not want to open.

Plus its more motivating for me to gear myself up for bg when I know I can actually use that gear.

Do not restrict gear pvp for any game has and always will be gear and skill dependant.

it's a formulae that works , so just make it un restricted. Ppl I assure u will gear up for it.

New players like me will be more motivated to get gears to compete.

If you must know, battle ground works in a way that you have to incorporate team work. The flaws of other classes could be covered up by another class of your party. Priest could be useful again, Paladin would have an important role and Whitesmith's buff would be your double attack. We have an event like this in the past, I forgot what's it called but I see this as good fun. You don't just need to restrict yourself from using Valkyrie set or Diablo set, there are tonnes of items you can play around with. Beats just sticking to custom items and you would have more fun scratching your head on what your opponent might be using. Lets all not be spoilt brats.

[Rayray]

If you must know, battle ground works in a way that you have to incorporate team work. The flaws of other classes could be covered up by another class of your party. Priest could be useful again, Paladin would have an important role and Whitesmith's buff would be your double attack. We have an event like this in the past, I forgot what's it called but I see this as good fun. You don't just need to restrict yourself from using Valkyrie set or Diablo set, there are tonnes of items you can play around with. Beats just sticking to custom items and you would have more fun scratching your head on what your opponent might be using. Lets all not be spoilt brats.

The event was annihilation i think shane? Not sure but that is what I remember. And i do agree that it was fun for us. I mean, that was an event where I can use my wizard decently.

Now for the snipers/gunslinger issue. Back when we only had elite weapons, those 2 classes ALWAYS had no shield, and it was not an issue really. I respected a few snipers back then(iHunt comes to mind if anyone remember him, Kuoch as well) due to them being able to pvp while switching to dagger+shield when needed).

And as Shane already said, bg is a team game. You are not supposed to be alone in it and expect to win. With no custom items and is only using valk/diabolus sets and normal accessories, no class should be OP against every class.

[tongenorga]

bg's would be great for us and just support it to have a bg here... please put a battle grounds .... to have fun and make it balance also to have more more fun...

[ChainBreak]

I support the suggestion for non-custom items BG.

It would make things more interesting. :D

[tongenorga]

thanks man...

[nilo16]

Well when u play a gunslinger with no custom.items plus no access to trans gear irs a real pain

Plus when ur best gun has 2slots only... U realize this is nt the reason I switched over from my other server to

Play a more balanced gunslinger.

Im.all in for bg but if u think ur balancing it by making it non custom that's not true.

Yes u will always find ppl

with gr8 skill that will rise even with handicap.

But the idea is not to handicap a class.

The main charm if this server to me are its customs.

Thats what's keeping the balance.

U tell me I farm out my custom gear but can't use it for the

one thing I love the. Most its really pointless then.

Woe is just a spam fest .. And not at all enjoyable pvp mostly.

Duels gvg are fun bgs are the. Real fun if made properly.

So if u gonna implement it should be unrestricted or u will find that

u will struggle to find ppl and a ton of the same trans classes being used

And the rest ignored.

Trying throwing a kunai with a ninja normal weapon its really fun .

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[ChainBreak]

You need different builds if you play non-custom equips. That's the same for all classes. If you ever played on the original server you would know that GS can hold their ground against all other classes. On this server you dont need to switch all that much unless you play dagger SinX or wiz, but if you switch your gear around just as much you'll be able to survive and kill a lot more.

[llarenasonny]

This sounds good but there is one tiny problem: There are certain classes that work really well on Legendary items and other classes that simply need donation ones.

Classes that do so well with just legendary stuff

1. Champions

2. Biochemists

3. Stalker

4. Whitesmith

Classes that need to be geared to be really good

1. FAS Snipers

2. SinX

3. LK

4. Profs

5. Wizards

So true.. :)

[nilo16]

You need different builds if you play non-custom equips. That's the same for all classes. If you ever played on the original server you would know that GS can hold their ground against all other classes. On this server you dont need to switch all that much unless you play dagger SinX or wiz, but if you switch your gear around just as much you'll be able to survive and kill a lot more.

I do play Gs on normal servers still am active

Let me say for a fact unless u out gear them u are not at all competitive against trans classes

That's considering near equal skill lvls.I've been playing Gs for 5 yrs.

im not sure what ur tAlking about..

Also comparing a 99/70 to fro is dumb

Cause ok in 99/70 u put one tg ur damages goes up by a way lower amout than here

So having 2 extra slots in a wepon at lvl 250 is huge huge huge difference

Just try using a wepon with just 2 cards and one with 4 damage cards..

With any class ull see..what i mean

[ChainBreak]

The 2 slot limitation is only for pistols. If you use a rifle you can have up to 3 slots.

Also the limitations you have to take to use 4 slots on any class is not insignificant. If I want to go for 4 slots on SinX I have to sacrifice a lot of weapon atk which can make quite a difference. Going further, the equips you can get through BG by trading the badges give a huge boost to GS, so that they can participate very well. If you include all the BG equips as well as the team outcomes that you can get it's not likely for classes like GS to be worth less than other classes.

I think the ones who will have the hardest time are rather taekwon classes and ninjas.

[tongenorga]

i love to play BG.... /e2

[nilo16]

The 2 slot limitation is only for pistols. If you use a rifle you can have up to 3 slots.

Also the limitations you have to take to use 4 slots on any class is not insignificant. If I want to go for 4 slots on SinX I have to sacrifice a lot of weapon atk which can make quite a difference. Going further, the equips you can get through BG by trading the badges give a huge boost to GS, so that they can participate very well. If you include all the BG equips as well as the team outcomes that you can get it's not likely for classes like GS to be worth less than other classes.

I think the ones who will have the hardest time are rather taekwon classes and ninjas.

ur probably right that tk/ ninja will be worst effected .

My expertise is in GS hence I can easily explain with them.in context.

Yes u say rifle has 4 slots but only problem is u can't use ur main skills with rifle..

So no rapid showers no desperado.

Bg gear is only balanced if every one has to use it at fro.

simply cause they are inferior to any normal +10wepon(4) with MVP cards.

now if u disable MVP cards then u can balance it pure vanila style.

cause a combo of thanatos ,VR,turtles incant samurai.not to mention whitesmith ,stormy knight etc

Is very much more stronger and potent than bg gear so just using them in a 4 slotted wepon makes a huge difference.

Ur right when u say as a six x losing ur offhand wepon4 cards makes a huge difference .

Its basicly the same when u say a gunslinger should now use a 2slot wepin instead of 4 .

Not to mention its a loss that's not caused due to equipibg a resist shield.

[ChainBreak]

Well you're putting it like GS is limited to using desperado only in BG, but in a non-custom equips scenario the other skills a GS has play a much more significant role. Especially with the huge aftercast redux on the BG gear for GS they can have almost as much aftercast redux as 3 kiels.

Also if we change it so that people can only use BG reward equips, noone will have slots.

[tongenorga]

BUMP

[nilo16]

Well you're putting it like GS is limited to using desperado only in BG, but in a non-custom equips scenario the other skills a GS has play a much more significant role. Especially with the huge aftercast redux on the BG gear for GS they can have almost as much aftercast redux as 3 kiels.

Also if we change it so that people can only use BG reward equips, noone will have slots.

That's what I said too if u change all to use bg gear then u can balance.

But u can't allow a mix of normal like valk and Diablo and normal weapons with slots.

Cause of the MVP cards.

If u read my earlier post that was what i said.

I specifically said bg gear is only balanced if every one has to use it.

[tongenorga]

guys any more suggestion for battle grounds to be back and more awesome for us ???i think if BG will be put in game we can receive battle grounds tokens changing for some items or like converter or seed or berry or c.speed or some exclusive items for BG but not that too much tokens to be sell ...

[Anomandaris]

Imho, you could do the following things to make it viable and fair (easier) for newer players (off the top of my head).

- Disable MVP and Mini Boss cards. Yep, Clowns become extremely important immediately. Ganging becomes important. Gravity themselves have acknowledged that MVP cards were never meant to be used on a large scale, so they technically break the game. If you want to make it a fair battle arena, where well geared, and not so well geared people can compete on a more even scale. At the same time, keep all the customs active, so that people can still create an impact with gear that they worked hard for / donated for with hard-earned money.

- Bring back status afflictions (can't think of the right word =p). I don't just mean stone curse and freeze, but the lesser known/seen (in pservers atleast) ones such as sleep, stun, confusion etc etc. For example, 97 vit used to give stun immunity, we could have something like 300 total vit gives immunity (ye, not THAT easy to get.). They were put into the game for a reason, and personally, I've always felt that they require players to have a higher skill level in order to make more of an impact.

- Usual WOE reducts and whatnot.

This, along with all the suggestions given beforehand, could help. BG is one of the best examples of the fast paced team PVP that RO brings into the fold, after woe and GVG. The problem with the latter two are that it usually requires a large amount of preparation/supplies/planning. I've only being playing for a couple of weeks, so please excuse any lacunae in my knowledge about this server. Cheers. xD

[Genesis]

This is already in the works :)