Champion

[shinju]

im new here...

i want to suggest for the sake of champ users

the zen fury zen asura delay...

as champ user i want to use asura as fast as i can (FAST ASURA)

....asura is the pvp skill of champ and it cant 1hit players...

so i suggest to remove the delay of champ skills

coz of delay thats why im so lame to use champ in pvp and i dont want any class than champ

hope to have action for this...

sorry if some grammars are wrong

more power to ForsakenRO

Edited May 28, 2013 by shinju

[Rayray]

there are tons of people that can spam asura so fast. It is not because the skill has super big delay, it is because of your ping probably. You should only play champ if your ping is around 100 or something less. Rule of the thumb is, if you live not in the US or near it, your ping is probably high.

And no way in hell any skill should get no delays. so -1

[-Si-]

lol so you want to suggest no delay so you can asura fast as you can and because you just want to be a champ. Champs now are strong already, as zero said it depends on your ping but yea back on topic, -1

Edited May 28, 2013 by -Si-

[Autopsies]

I think Champ skill delays are fine.

[plok123]

Nothing wrong with Champs now.. :) -1 on this.

[Victoria]

-1 Champs delay are fine, you just need to have a good ping :)

[supream]

Ping isn't the problem in this case. I would know because I do have good ping. I could spam asura faster than I do know but there is a delay between zen and asura. If you were to press zen and try to asura right after you would get a skill failed message. I agree on removing this since it does cause people to mess up a lot. Also it takes real skill to play champ (considering most other classes are just point and click) so you should be able to spam as fast as your fingers would let you since it requires timing and not just mindlessly pressing a button.

[shinju]

there are tons of people that can spam asura so fast. It is not because the skill has super big delay, it is because of your ping probably. You should only play champ if your ping is around 100 or something less. Rule of the thumb is, if you live not in the US or near it, your ping is probably high.

And no way in hell any skill should get no delays. so -1

So it means fRo is not my scene... xD... probably i will go find my new RO to play

[Lenneth]

Asura already deals high dmg, so i don't think it should be spammable. Considering the server is not third program free, no delay just poses too much leeway for abuse.

[zergling]

Even with the delays it's easy to abuse asura spam. Hell it's not hard to set a WPE to have the sprite altering effect, I have seen it done and have seen it work on other servers. The issue people are having is that you can't spam it as fast as you want due to the delays being there, if the delay on zen/fury/zen was removed then people would be able to asura much better and we would see more of a variety of champs from all corners of the gaming world instead of only from the United States. So in retrospect aren't you sort of selfish by only wanting to keep the champion class in the USA? So yea +1 from me (btw this is non-biased since I don't play my champ anymore so don't Q_Q and try saying that it's a bias post).

[supream]

If you guys know so much about sprites then you would know zen has zero frames so what that basically means that using zen reduces your delay to zero ( sort of like falcon eyes for sniper so you can spam detect). So even if u were to use WPE it wouldn't effect you asura spam unless you get a better net.

[zergling]

Or your sprite never moves from the zen position making you able to spam endlessly without any change in your sprite motion. Ohh but that's right I don't know as much as you do about sprite edits.

[El7]

Somehow i agree to this. I can't release my full potential because of the delay and yes we need nice ping for champ but how? You want us to migrate near the server just to have nice ping? More better to remove the delay so everybody can spam fast just like the others. Champ is all about speed. Even if you have high damage if your spam is very slow then it's useless.

[alberick11]

for those who replied -1 (including ping)

let me tell you.. this is international server?

if this is international server, be fair to everyone, how about asian country like shinju? and me ofcourse.

i think reducing delay on zen,fury,zen is fair for all of us.

what you think ?

if this suggestion ignored, maybe you should banned asian country to play this server.

[shinju]

there are tons of people that can spam asura so fast. It is not because the skill has super big delay, it is because of your ping probably. You should only play champ if your ping is around 100 or something less. Rule of the thumb is, if you live not in the US or near it, your ping is probably high.

And no way in hell any skill should get no delays. so -1

This is so unfair for us not only me...

other champ can spam asura coz they have low ping?

how about us? we cant have low ping coz of distance..

if the delay remove all of us can do it even high ping players... fair enough?

[alberick11]

Asura already deals high dmg, so i don't think it should be spammable. Considering the server is not third program free, no delay just poses too much leeway for abuse.

i've seen champ who can spam asura in just a blink of an eye. you know why ? because they HAVE LOW "PING". listen..

if the skill delay is removed. all champ is balance to each other. the only diff is. equips.

[Rayray]

Genesis already said that no skill will have no delays because of the abuse that other players might do with it. Don't get me wrong, I have around 200 ping so I know how hard it was.

We can test it out I guess, however I just see it as 200+ ping players getting a little faster and 100 below ping players becoming extremely fast with it.

It will be just making the fast champs even faster and making normal champs a little bit faster(since even with no delay, the difference in ping will still affect it.)

Edited June 4, 2013 by ZerO25

[alberick11]

Genesis already said that no skill will have no delays because of the abuse that other players might do with it. Don't get me wrong, I have around 200 ping so I know how hard it was.

We can test it out I guess, however I just see it as 200+ ping players getting a little faster and 100 below ping players becoming extremely fast with it.

It will be just making the fast champs even faster and making normal champs a little bit faster(since even with no delay, the difference in ping will still affect it.)

you dont get what i mean, we're just asking for removing the delay, to be FAIR and Enjoy Playing Champ. i guess you're a Sniper type player BORING. Right ? tell me, or if you play champ, are you enjoying or contented to your asura speed?

while other player can asura fast? because of low ping.

anyways which side are you on ? -1 or +1 ?

[Rayray]

I seriously like it when people do not know who I am and decides to trashtalk me. :)

I never played asura champ, I knew my ping was too high to try that and I wasn't stupid enough to do it, so I played combo. So if you are asking me if I was enjoying it, then yes.

You are the one who didn't get what I posted there. The reason why you guys spam a little slower is because of the latency, not the aftercast delay of the skills, this is proven because there are champs that can spam fast with little delay. That is because the server receives the command faster because of less hops. (if you do not get this, please research about ping first).

Making the skills have 0 delay MIGHT or MIGHT NOT help at all if your ping is above 200+. I actually believe it will cause more harm actually, we had tons of skills that have virtually no delay and they got fixed.

If it was the delay mentioned by Supream about the Zen to Asura transition, that would be alright. But I do not think the GM Team will make it 0 delay, probably reduce it a little.

[alberick11]

pardon me if i offend you :-p

i dont mind to TT you bro.

i understand what you sayin.

"That is because the server receives the command faster because of less hops. (if you do not get this, please research about ping first)."

ok please explain what is "skill failed" thing, when i use skill ? is this belongs to hops ? or still connected to latency ?

anyways if you say so. i have no choice but to find low ping server.

first check ping at cmd > ping (website) for ex. www.forsaken-ro.net

bytes = 32 time = 215ms TIL=50

bytes = 32 time = 214ms TIL=50

bytes = 32 time = 214ms TIL=50

bytes = 32 time = 213ms TIL=50

minimum =213ms maximum=214ms average=213ms

im so very disappointed

Edited June 4, 2013 by alberick11

[SquidySquid]

Talk bout fairness. Remove delay might not change a lot for players with 200+ ping, maybe a little better. For players that already have low ping, hmmm. Fairness. Not your fault, my lecturers had been teaching me the wrong definition.

[Prince_Jester]

-1 on this.

Champs Delay in skills thus depends on your ping ^^,

It's not how the game runs :)

[supream]

This is a skill issue which I don't think they can really fix. For a recap what happens when u press zen there is a small delay that makes it so you can't asura right after it. If you try to asura a skill failed message will pop up in your message box. I don't really know why this happens and why asura is the only skill affected by it since I cam spam tss as fast as my net will allow me without a skill fail message popping up. However, I'm not so sure that removing this will have a huge benefit for people with high ping. Sure they won't get that message anymore, but it will most likely benefit players like me with lower ping more because I will be able to spam at my full potential without having to time that second and a half delay between asuras. Even so I don't know how that delay was put there, but I still think it's worth a test.

[ChainBreak]

Buffing asura even more?

I don't like that idea. How do you expect people to survive nonstop asura at a rate of 3~4 attacks / sec ?

[supream]

I don't know what you're talking about. This would not let anyone, not even the faster champs spam 4 asuras a second. Also, you can't asura when your being hit so...