Do Something About Ninja Pls! ^o^

[NayharaR2]

yup victoria i hope they implemented :)

Unli stones for ninja

i like that kamaitachi i want to be int type ninja so i can still alive on Raids GOH or Aegris

>,<

[zergling]

I actually agree with the unlimited stones for the ninja class, but they still need a delay on the tatami and cicada skills.

[Rayray]

Yeah, and I want unlimited acid bomb bottles too. sounds familiar? The reason stones were not not unlimited like the arrows and kunais and stuff is because they are not used for attacking. if you attack at 195 aspd with a limited arrow supply, it depletes like hell. Although i don't see a harm on giving them unlimited supply of stones, there is no immediate need for the implementation of it.

Oh and legendary arrow and bullets don't give that big damage as kanoski think it does. More like 300-800 damage difference really.

[NayharaR2]

acid bottles unli? lolz u have firebolt and coldbolt ask if ninja also have a firebolt and coldbolt its better so wats ur point Nightmare having a Unli bottles? daaah and u have also enlargement weight u can carry more bottles if u use ur cart think before u suggest ok so be fair on Ninja having unli stones

[nellysky]

ninja dont have enlarge weigth limit.they cant carry more seeds coz they still need to carry stones as well.

i like skills like. kamaitachi , raging fire dragon. lightning destruction since it was a clave damage. but using that skill is expensive and limited..

as well as crimson fire formation and hiddin water effective on delaying enemis on woe...

[nando]

First of all, You guys are going to OffTopic.

Second, +1 in GiaP Suggestion! It won't kill the class, it will just make it more even the same as other classes got nerfed is like saying that a paladin get a boost in their damage with Holy Cross and GTB doesn't nullifed it.

[supream]

wiz and prof got a boost on stave to fight ppl with gtb... so at least u got a way to hit them... but that doesnt apply to ninja... since CCS/Tatami both block stave... and land protector doesnt cancle off tatami effect

No I have tested the tatami and it doesn't get removed with land protector. The class gets beat by who the occasional WS, or a lord knight? Maybe a champ if they know what they are doing? Other than that there's no real way to beat a ninja they dodge everything and deal 10k+ damage per hit with kunai, and you want to buff them? Seriously you must be joking. The class won't be useless if the tatami has a 1-3 second delay and the cicada has a 1-3 second delay. It will simply force the players to learn their class better and not rely on spamming skills to make you immortal.

land protector really doesnt work... i tried it with my prof... the ninja is literally in the middle and all i can do is spam ygg and he spam both tatami and kunai together... n my stave doesnt hit at all... which lasted for 3-4mins before he got tired and warp off or i finally!!! managed to stave him once that pushes him backward since he got CSS and he went hidding...

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When a professor casts land protect after a ninja uses tatami the effect will last until the duration is over, if they cast tatami again to won't work. Also, If they cast tatami on the edges it will still work because of the range of the skill.Can you guys see what happened in this video? Can you see that? Obviously none of you tested it right at all, so finally you can stop saying stuff that's inaccurate.

Edited June 2, 2013 by supream

[zergling]

Uhh... actually the second tatami you waited too long to stave. The effect is the target cell the ninja is standing on meaning that as long as the ninja is standing on the cell(even on land protector) it won't hit him. Anyway back on topic.

The ninja class requires a delay on the cicada and tatami before they can get a buff like unlimited stones. You can argue as much as you want but it's not going to change the fact that people were saying the same thing about biochemists when they asked for unlimited bombs. All of you ninja warp away anyway so it's not like you can't store some stones in your storage and just grab more when you warp away.

[nellysky]

Uhh... actually the second tatami you waited too long to stave. The effect is the target cell the ninja is standing on meaning that as long as the ninja is standing on the cell(even on land protector) it won't hit him. Anyway back on topic.

The ninja class requires a delay on the cicada and tatami before they can get a buff like unlimited stones. You can argue as much as you want but it's not going to change the fact that people were saying the same thing about biochemists when they asked for unlimited bombs. All of you ninja warp away anyway so it's not like you can't store some stones in your storage and just grab more when you warp away.

men that a way of proff attacking ninja.. and other class also a way of doing damage ninjas as well.. yeah its not easy. coz indeed evry1 cant kill each other that easy wether what class u are.

the only differ to ninja is. ninja cant be easily damage by using builds. cardz. weapon.

the matter that can kill a ninja using other classes is using your brain and fast hands..

and a good connection as well. lag free..not just a cardz or something..

[Rayray]

acid bottles unli? lolz u have firebolt and coldbolt ask if ninja also have a firebolt and coldbolt its better so wats ur point Nightmare having a Unli bottles? daaah and u have also enlargement weight u can carry more bottles if u use ur cart think before u suggest ok so be fair on Ninja having unli stones

First of all, i was being sarcastic on that post, even I who main biochemist do not want acid bomb bottles unlimited. God, it's like you don't understand English very well that I have to make myself perfectly literal everytime I respond to you. But since we are on the subject, acid bomb is easily reduced by gr+rsx and 2 raydrics and yet people didn't like the idea of having unli bottles. Ninja skills on the other hand is harder to reduce(not counting GTB) since it was magic, and it is suicidal to use GTB against a GOOD ninja like Ulap. Add the fact that ninjas have the 2nd best defensive skill set(cicada,fliptatami,illusory) in my opinion(Champs have the best defensive skill set (snap,root,pneuma) ever). That was the point of my post, even though if you read it actually, I am not disagreeing with unlimited ninja magic stones, just not that urgently needed. Seriously, do I need to hire a translator?

Oh since I am having a laugh on your post, sure, give ninjas coldbolt/firebolt, give every class cicada and flip tatami. I hope my sarcasm is so clear in this one but in case it isn't. THIS IS SARCASM AND IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY.

Edited June 3, 2013 by ZerO25

[Victoria]

Seriously, do I need to hire a translator?

I can help you reach out to him :D i can talk to him in filipino and translate it to english :) xD

[Rayray]

I can help you reach out to him :D i can talk to him in filipino and translate it to english :) xD

Kinda hard to reach out to someone who won't listen to reason Victoria.

Let's all become ninjas so that we will not have problems such as this. THIS IS SARCASM AND IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY.

I will just use that tag whenever I reply to posts that he might reply to.

Edited June 3, 2013 by ZerO25

[Victoria]

Kinda hard to reach out to someone who won't listen to reason Victoria.

Let's all become ninjas so that we will not have problems such as this. THIS IS SARCASM AND IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY.

I will just use that tag whenever I reply to posts that he might reply to.

Its actually easy to determine if a person is being sarcastic or not :3 im 15 years old and i can determine it myself :3 and i laughed at your post xD

[Rayray]

Its actually easy to determine if a person is being sarcastic or not :3 im 15 years old and i can determine it myself :3 and i laughed at your post xD

Exactly. In my years replying in this forums, and 2000+ posts, he was the first one that didn't get it. But I will make it clear again, in case he replies.

I WAS BEING SARCASTIC ABOUT THE UNLIMITED BOTTLES. IT WAS SUGGESTED BY ME BEFORE, BUT I RETRACTED THAT SUGGESTION AND JUST ASKED FOR A CHEAPER PRICE TO MAKE IT NOT OP. I DO NOT GET WHY YOU TOOK IT SERIOUSLY.

I think i should put that sarcasm sign in a keybind or something..

Edited June 3, 2013 by ZerO25

[NayharaR2]

I hope all players have a Ninja Character so cool :)

[nellysky]

actualy i was attracted to use ninja wen i 1st played on this server bcoz of naruto.

and its quite cool then..

but i guest ther such thing needs ninja to be improve specialy for magics.

[jameslamela]

im visiting fro currently since i havent played for several days, and as i was passing by to check the forums im intrigue by this disturbing topic regarding ninjas... and i cant believe that the one who made the topic is a WS "ninja's weakness"... which for me really doesn't make any sense...

i dont have much time to read all trend of conversation, but here are my insight..

• ninjas doesn't need to be nerf...
• before complaining, make sure that there are no possible solution in your concern.
• no one can kill everyone... and thats a fact you need to learn and accept.
• and lastly... when suggesting make sure that your point is to make most job balance and not make a specific job to be worthless...

-1 to this topic...

[nellysky]

im visiting fro currently since i havent played for several days, and as i was passing by to check the forums im intrigue by this disturbing topic regarding ninjas... and i cant believe that the one who made the topic is a WS "ninja's weakness"... which for me really doesn't make any sense...

i dont have much time to read all trend of conversation, but here are my insight..

• ninjas doesn't need to be nerf...
• before complaining, make sure that there are no possible solution in your concern.
• no one can kill everyone... and thats a fact you need to learn and accept.
• and lastly... when suggesting make sure that your point is to make most job balance and not make a specific job to be worthless...

-1 to this topic...

nah he want ninjas to be easily killed by his prof thats why..

in that case if all class can easily killed ninja's. this class will be totally useless.

while any body else wants this char to be usefull like any char are..

[nellysky]

and how about instead of nerfing ninjas. just nerf the effect of gtb instead of negate magic attact just reduce magic damage to 75% since his concern is only to damage ninja while using gtb..

[Rayray]

I do not really see why a small delay on cicada and flip tatami would make ninjas useless. Seriously, what we want(and pretty much established by other people aside from Giap) is a small delay on both the skills. Not what we have now where you will spam cicada like hell if you get cornered.

Class balance is really what we aim for. If you are thinking I am agreeing with what Giap originally posted as a nerf, you are mistaken. I(and most of us) already disagreed on his original terms. Like Zergling mentioned as well, we just want a small delay. I cannot see why you can't read that.

nah he want ninjas to be easily killed by his prof thats why..

in that case if all class can easily killed ninja's. this class will be totally useless.

while any body else wants this char to be usefull like any char are..

He can just go on his WS and kill ninjas, but that isn't the point of this thread, because as we said, it is about balancing. A ninja can spam flip tatami to no end and no sniper can hit him on that. A ninja can spam cicada and shadow leap and no sinx can get near it. You call that balance? Again, it isn't balance if people have to switch jobs to kill you.

Class balance is when any class can fight(somewhat) any class. Sure, some have an advantage over the others, but not big enough to make you switch characters.

We, over the years, nerfed classes when they get out of hand. Thana used to work for champ's tss. That was so devastating back then since you can't really fight champs with skolls on. We removed the reducts on the stalker bow because it went overboard. This thread is the same.

We removed the reducts on the stalker bow for one reason: they became nearly untouchable because of their reducts. Aren't ninjas nearly untouchable with cicada and flip tatami? With that logic, I see no reason of toning the skills down.

[nellysky]

I do not really see why a small delay on cicada and flip tatami would make ninjas useless. Seriously, what we want(and pretty much established by other people aside from Giap) is a small delay on both the skills. Not what we have now where you will spam cicada like hell if you get cornered.

Class balance is really what we aim for. If you are thinking I am agreeing with what Giap originally posted as a nerf, you are mistaken. I(and most of us) already disagreed on his original terms. Like Zergling mentioned as well, we just want a small delay. I cannot see why you can't read that.

He can just go on his WS and kill ninjas, but that isn't the point of this thread, because as we said, it is about balancing. A ninja can spam flip tatami to no end and no sniper can hit him on that. A ninja can spam cicada and shadow leap and no sinx can get near it. You call that balance? Again, it isn't balance if people have to switch jobs to kill you.

Class balance is when any class can fight(somewhat) any class. Sure, some have an advantage over the others, but not big enough to make you switch characters.

We, over the years, nerfed classes when they get out of hand. Thana used to work for champ's tss. That was so devastating back then since you can't really fight champs with skolls on. We removed the reducts on the stalker bow because it went overboard. This thread is the same.

We removed the reducts on the stalker bow for one reason: they became nearly untouchable because of their reducts. Aren't ninjas nearly untouchable with cicada and flip tatami? With that logic, I see no reason of toning the skills down.

again.. those classes can easily killed ninjas by pushing them to the corner if only they were not be able to warp.. yes flip and css makes ninja so slippery. it does not makes ninjas invincible. coz like anybody else says. thers a lot of ways of killing ninjas,,

yet if the sniper got pneuma. throw kunai ninja's cant also hit them.

the the sniper got the advantage of it actualy. other than snipres got higher range. they will just stand on pneuma while normaling atttack ninja's while ninjas have to spam flip and throw and the same time to damage sniper.. and ninja's should disable css in order to get near to sniper,,

and about sinx why only ninja.how about bio using sight. acid bomb easily kills sinx as wel. specialy SB sinx..

as i tell u guys..

the hardest opponent of ninjas in this server are..

WS, LK, bio, GS, snipers, clown gypsy, and maybe stalker..

ninjas doesnt need to be nerf.. yet it has to improve to make them anything usefull.

and 1 more. baby supernovies is also 1 of the hardest to be ninjas opponent as wel

[Rayray]

again.. those classes can easily killed ninjas by pushing them to the corner if only they were not be able to warp.. yes flip and css makes ninja so slippery. it does not makes ninjas invincible. coz like anybody else says. thers a lot of ways of killing ninjas,,

yet if the sniper got pneuma. throw kunai ninja's cant also hit them.

the the sniper got the advantage of it actualy. other than snipres got higher range. they will just stand on pneuma while normaling atttack ninja's while ninjas have to spam flip and throw and the same time to damage sniper.. and ninja's should disable css in order to get near to sniper,,

and about sinx why only ninja.how about bio using sight. acid bomb easily kills sinx as wel. specialy SB sinx..

Again, as an excerpt from my past posts(seems like we are going in circles but oh well), yes there are tons of ways to kill a ninja, almost all involves "cornering the ninja". A good ninja wouldn't allow that to happen(at least the ones I know). Shadow leap is there, and we made no effort on making it nerfed because the skill is fine as it is. And I never said they are invincible, I said near untouchable. So I do not see why a small delay would kill your class when you have shadow leap around and fire formation to push people off.

Compared to the effort done by every other class to kill a ninja, a ninja just presses two buttons to survive. I kinda would want ninjas to exert a little more effort than spamming two skills.

Pneuma? shadow leap near the sniper, use fire formation and push him off pneuma. he will chase you anyway so having auto cast pneuma ain't a problem.

Normal attack of sniper is a problem? that is only because you default gtb shield, wear usakoring and that sniper damage is pathetic on normal attacks.

Any class kills sb sinx easily because they have no shield, that was the tradeoff of their damage, not just biochemists.

Oh and bio with sight was a counter to sinx? EVERY CLASS can use horong card, not every class can use flip tatami and cicada.

[Victoria]

again.. those classes can easily killed ninjas by pushing them to the corner if only they were not be able to warp.. yes flip and css makes ninja so slippery. it does not makes ninjas invincible. coz like anybody else says. thers a lot of ways of killing ninjas,,

yet if the sniper got pneuma. throw kunai ninja's cant also hit them.

the the sniper got the advantage of it actualy. other than snipres got higher range. they will just stand on pneuma while normaling atttack ninja's while ninjas have to spam flip and throw and the same time to damage sniper.. and ninja's should disable css in order to get near to sniper,,

and about sinx why only ninja.how about bio using sight. acid bomb easily kills sinx as wel. specialy SB sinx..

Yet, ninjas can hide and use flip tatami to knock snipers out of their pneuma :/ SB Sinxes doesnt have that much HP and they wear katars (no shield) which will seriously make your damage higher. i tried killing a ninja with my gypsy, no offense they always bounce off not being able to kill them with that fast spam of tatami and they can use throw kunai on me, if i use AV they automatically use Flip tatami with their throw kunais with no worries :3 increasing the delay of flip tatami wouldn't kill the class, its just like the other classes that got nerfed.

OMG! Rayray you got ahead of me! :(

Edited June 3, 2013 by Victoria

[nellysky]

beside.. WS whitesmith is already overpowered ninjas. if other char do an easy damage this char will be totally useless..

balance is not only about on 1 on 1 pvp.. but most on group on how they synchronizing each other...

if your char class definitely cant defeat other 1. its natural coz some other char manage.

and why only talking about only ninjas. thers a lot of char here that over powered some. like i said on my previos comments...

yeah ninja is slipery.. u guys guys only pissed of missing them. but ragnarok made that char what it should be. yet in behalf of thers skills they are not invincible they still can be killed.

if those suggestion of yours got implemented. nerfing ninjas skills such as css and and flip..

what would be the use of this char?

ninja will be only killed easy by any other. but cant kill any coz they will be killed 1st..

having a ninja char will be going to be a waste..

and again ninja are not OP.. they are just annoying..

[Rayray]

beside.. WS whitesmith is already overpowered ninjas. if other char do an easy damage this char will be totally useless..

balance is not only about on 1 on 1 pvp.. but most on group on how they synchronizing each other...

if your char class definitely cant defeat other 1. its natural coz some other char manage.

and why only talking about only ninjas. thers a lot of char here that over powered some. like i said on my previos comments...

yeah ninja is slipery.. u guys guys only pissed of missing them. but ragnarok made that char what it should be. yet in behalf of thers skills they are not invincible they still can be killed.

1.Every class Overpower wizard if they have gtb, what was your point on the WS overpowering ninjas? also that happens because you guys default gtb shield, making ws hit you with over 100k cart termination. It isn't the WS fault if you guys default gtb.

2. Balance starts at class vs class, since we are talking about class balance. Group PvP do not need balancing.

3. one class is supposedly a counter to another one, if we are talking about how they originally were made, like in low rates, so that argument is nulled in this server. Because if we are talking about that, we will be removing ALL valkyrie weapons, as ninjas are supposed to be weak against magic users since they have 2 handed weapons, same goes with snipers, bow stalkers and gunslingers.

4. Overpowered characters, I include LK on that but again, that was another topic, as we are dealing with ninjas here.

5. Not really pissed at ninjas, as you know me and know fully well that I don't have problems against them unless they warp. Most kunai ninjas have more problems on against my stalker really.