adam- Posted May 14, 2013 Report Posted May 14, 2013 I just started playing Stalker and it is very annoying to get dispelled then immediately after get hit with a skill and lose the one you saved. My suggestion is to make Dispell not effect Preserve because Stalker's main advantage is the copy skill and for it to be countered so easily is unfair to me. I don't think that it would make Stalker OP by any means either.
gagosila123 Posted May 14, 2013 Report Posted May 14, 2013 Just a tip, get a soul linker and take a rogue spirit to you, I'm sure your preserved skill won't dispell again and you will gain faster movement in stealth skill... hope it helps :)
jameslamela Posted May 14, 2013 Report Posted May 14, 2013 (edited) yes it does... OP against prof. if you wear GTB and maya, prof has already great disadvantage vs stalker. +stalker can stealth, stalker can strip, what more can you ask for? Edited May 14, 2013 by jameslamela
adam- Posted May 14, 2013 Author Report Posted May 14, 2013 Well Professor has Stave Crasher when using GTB/Maya can inflict 20-30k damage and spammed at incredible speeds, so I don't think that is an effective counter as you think
Victoria Posted May 14, 2013 Report Posted May 14, 2013 there is a disadvantage actually.. once Stalkers use GTB, and used stealth, we cant UNSTEALTH them xD since heaven's drive doesnt work anymore. they can strip us fast if we dont have FCP.
Ichiro Posted May 14, 2013 Report Posted May 14, 2013 Yea i agree. Just make the preserve skill and the skill copied undispellable. But other buffs, like assumptio, blessing, and other buffs, will be still dispellable when dispelled
Victoria Posted May 14, 2013 Report Posted May 14, 2013 Yea i agree. Just make the preserve skill and the skill copied undispellable. But other buffs, like assumptio, blessing, and other buffs, will be still dispellable when dispelled as what gagosila123 said, just get soul linked. once you got dispelled the preserve skill wouldn't be gone.
thePast Posted May 14, 2013 Report Posted May 14, 2013 -1. Get a link or use gtb, if they're using stave crasher, get those aquaring hats from the vote sites or other card that can reduc them, since most people use a converter which's easy to get anyway like box of storm or cursed water. :x
Rayray Posted May 14, 2013 Report Posted May 14, 2013 -1, randomly changing my skills in the middle of the fight sometimes helps me on stalker.
adam- Posted May 14, 2013 Author Report Posted May 14, 2013 (edited) Any class can dispell. Using GTB against a SP LK with VR wouldn't be the greatest idea would it? Also I didn't know about the link thing, and that is good to know but I still agree with my OP Edited May 14, 2013 by adam-
nando Posted May 14, 2013 Report Posted May 14, 2013 (edited) Then make strip % a bit lower! Because I find it very OP that they can divest me everytime like nothing :(!!! [EDIT] Because You can't handle something, doesn't mean need to be changed...That's one of the best counter against Stalker! THey need to be always an eye on the preserver buff, if you take that away is just simple sit and let the dmg. flow like water. Edited May 14, 2013 by nando 1
Victoria Posted May 15, 2013 Report Posted May 15, 2013 Then make strip % a bit lower! Because I find it very OP that they can divest me everytime like nothing :(!!! [EDIT] Because You can't handle something, doesn't mean need to be changed...That's one of the best counter against Stalker! THey need to be always an eye on the preserver buff, if you take that away is just simple sit and let the dmg. flow like water. Exactly what you said, Because you can't handle something, doesn't mean it needs to be changed, Making the % chance of strip lower will make stalker full strip underpowered since, its not that easy to strip high dex chars, and you can always use FCP.
Hypnosis Posted May 15, 2013 Report Posted May 15, 2013 (edited) o.o Nvm, I don't wanna put input on this Edited May 15, 2013 by Hypnosis
kanoski Posted May 27, 2013 Report Posted May 27, 2013 victoria..hahaha always in suggestion always active u want to apply as a gm lol
plok123 Posted May 29, 2013 Report Posted May 29, 2013 -1 :) victoria..hahaha always in suggestion always active u want to apply as a gm lol dude, shut up.
Fauwfiets Posted June 10, 2013 Report Posted June 10, 2013 I want to bump this up again. Because these days everybody has a weapon with a dispell card in it. This means that or the stalker needs to get Soul-link all the time or needs to wear GTB.
nando Posted June 10, 2013 Report Posted June 10, 2013 Then do it, and if you are lazy to do dual client then become a DS stalker and problem solved. Because if the Stalker get one of their main skilled undispelled this need to be added to another classes to be balanced! Like Double Bolt, True Sight/Improve Concentration, Asumption, etc...Or make the % of strip very lower (since is based on DEX).
Fauwfiets Posted June 10, 2013 Report Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) Then do it, and if you are lazy to do dual client then become a DS stalker and problem solved. Because if the Stalker get one of their main skilled undispelled this need to be added to another classes to be balanced! Like Double Bolt, True Sight/Improve Concentration, Asumption, etc...Or make the % of strip very lower (since is based on DEX). You can't compare double bolt, true sight etc. with the Preserve skill. There is a very big difference between them. These skills are the support skills for certain classes. The preserve skill is the main skill for the stalker.(ofcourse with the combination of the other skills) It is good that professor/scholar has their dispell skill! I don't want that to be cancelled. But I would suggest, if possible ofcourse, that the card that gives dispell can't dispell the Preserve skill. *edit* About the lazyness of dual-client. I don't think this has anything to do with lazyness. I don't like to dual-client, because I think it is unfair! I never dual-client and I never will, not even for a FCP. Because if somebody dual-clients and get buffed up and say, lets duel 1v1. Then you are not 1v1! You already buffed of your duel-client so no this is not 1v1. You already have advantage of your "party member" buff. Edited June 10, 2013 by Fauwfiets
nando Posted June 10, 2013 Report Posted June 10, 2013 About the card (Valkyrie Randgris) it can de edited to not dispell stalker preserver since it got edited on SinX to only have 0.1% of dispell and about comparing those skill, is because preserver is also a support skill, same as those before (because without that skill the stalker will lost the copied skill), so if stalker get the benefit, that one of his skill can't be dispelled, why not other? Stalker (a Focused Arrow Strike one) can easily change to Doble Strafe if get dispelled since it goes around the same build, and only a few one use BB or Magic, so I don't see the problem that if FAS get dispelled, change to DS. FCP is needed, for those who are based on strip for win, if the stalker fight without strip not need of that. Soul Link for stalker were made for a reason...TO AVOID THIS! So You doesn't get dispelled and lose a skill, what you are suggesting is to IMPLEMENT something that is ALREADY IMPLEMENTED!. That your moral say, that's wrong, I know is good to see that on players (Even if you gang with a champ in for_fild xP!) but sometimes is needed go off chart to get what is needed.
Fauwfiets Posted June 10, 2013 Report Posted June 10, 2013 Still I will not say that Preserve is a support skill for the Stalker. It's too important for the stalker to be a support skill. What you are saying about changing from FAS to DS is not true. Ofcourse it can change but his dmg will be from 20k - 40k down to 10k? also his stats for FAS are not the same as DS stats. Yes, you can change, but the whole fight the damage will be extreme low, and not enough damage to win the fight. And about your aggressive behavior about the soul link part. Something implemented doesn't mean it is leveled. It can become overpowered or underpowered. And because this is a custom server, with custom items etc. somethings are not leveled and thats why we also have this forum to make as a community the server perfect. I am just suggesting, maybe it is better to disable the dispell of the Preserve skill on the "Valkyrie Randgris" card. I hope some other people will answer :)
SquidySquid Posted June 10, 2013 Report Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) -1 to this. Some stalkers like to change skill during fight. This will be unfair for those stalker. The only way is to dual client and link yourself. It won't be criticised as 2v1 as link doesnt give extra damage like holy light or sonic blow. Lol. Even it does, it's still acceptable by most of the community as dispelling them is one of the fun thing to do. Edited June 10, 2013 by SquidySquid
KristaXoX Posted June 19, 2013 Report Posted June 19, 2013 Not exactly about this dispell junk. But Tarot is able to remove a stalker's buffs + preserve + Link even tho link protects All buffs on stalker. If this isnt going to be changed, i feel like Tarot Should Remove FCP too then. This will make the server more balanced based on all the Dual Clients and Pre-Buffing. Leaving the ONLY class to be able to Re-FCP during a fight is Biochemist. Fair but not OP - Not everyone gets unlimited FCP, Just Chemists that re-Fcp themselves. And Tarot has multiple outcomes, Unlike Dispell (So a fraction of a fraction of a chance to dispell FCP.) And to remove fcp wouldnt be as simple as adding one card, but deciding on removing one of your Gears specifically to deal with FCP [Essentially making yourself weaker/more fragile for chance to remove FCP]
