Pvp Rewards

[Rayray]

Now that we got an all new PvP room where it really is player vs player, and not party vs player or player with all buffs available vs player, we need something to make people actually want to use that room.

So my suggestion is to put new and great items as pvp rewards. I made this topic so we can make a collection of ideas on what items should be put on the rewards. Feel free to post and discuss. I'll even start.

Most pvp rewards are lower headgears. it would be great if we can add new headgears(that can be the effect of valk helm and works with king set) that costs a pvp tokens(quantity should be discussed)

Sacred wings are getting obsolete because of capes/eidelics/rings. It isn't a great reward for pvp like it once were, and the fact that there is a vote item that has the same effect makes it really not that worth it. I suggest a buff on PvP sacred wings

My suggestion.

1. Buff sacred wing. put a slot in it, or give some kind of hp increase OR class specific stat increase(like scarf)

2. Put the old emperium auras(green, orange, purple, blue) as PVP rewards(number of tokens should be discussed)

Edited January 21, 2013 by ZerO25

[Veracity]

What buff are you thinking of for sacred wings? (In terms of stats).

[Rayray]

to be honest im not that sure, but putting a slot to it would be ok but might make people scream OP.

[Rayray]

topic edited. please discuss, i dont want the new pvp room to die. :D

[thePast]

nevermind, carry on c:

Edited January 21, 2013 by thePast

[BK-201]

Most players nowadays are not interested in laddering. One of the reasons is that old players ( NEW PLAYERS CAN'T WIN the PVP LADDER and pvp ladder is dominated by almost the same person every week) have alot of Sacred wings and RAWS.In addition, the price of pvp tokens were decreased by half as a result of inflow of pvp tokens every week. Players think that it doesn't make sense to ladder anymore if you already have wings of your choice or you have wings of different colors. I would suggest to have a new pvp ladder reward rather than boosting the effects of sacred wings or adding emperium aura as reward in winning the pvp ladder.

This is just my opinion feel free to disagree with me.

Edited January 21, 2013 by BK-201

[Rayray]

that's why i said on my topic(If you read it fully) that we need to add new rewards in. i only said to upgrade the existing wings because that can also be done and i cannot think of a new item to put in the ladder yet.

again, as I said on my topic starter, I want the community's input on this on what items to put in the pvp rewards.

[BK-201]

If you read my post, I said I agree with adding new rewards(but I also have no idea what items to add as a reward). What i dont like is buffing sacred wings and adding emp aura.

Edited January 21, 2013 by BK-201

[Rayray]

Most players nowadays are not interested in laddering. One of the reasons is that old players ( NEW PLAYERS CAN'T WIN the PVP LADDER and pvp ladder is dominated by almost the same person every week) have alot of Sacred wings and RAWS.In addition, the price of pvp tokens were decreased by half as a result of inflow of pvp tokens every week. Players think that it doesn't make sense to ladder anymore if you already have wings of your choice or you have wings of different colors. I would suggest to have a new pvp ladder reward rather than boosting the effects of sacred wings or adding emperium aura as reward in winning the pvp ladder.

This is just my opinion feel free to disagree with me.

Even if the older players have them, doesn't make it less desirable if we buff the sacreds a little. Adding the old emps in the pvp rewards could also help new players that like to play solo and doesn't woe. although that could also make old players get and hoard the emps, but they can only do that if they camp and live in the pvp room for long periods of time. But yeah, that might not be the solution for an empty pvp room, i am just throwing it out there and see if people like it :)

New items, same, I cannot really think of anything yet. A weapon that can only be obtained through pvp ladder could work, but I can't see people accepting it if it outshines the valks..

[coffee break]

i also disagree with the Buff sacred wing. :3

[Rayray]

ok probably scratch the buff on sacreds... i think a slot to it can be op in the right hands

hmm Emps in there and give it like 100-200 pvp tokens to get one seems ok.

[Mint]

ok probably scratch the buff on sacreds... i think a slot to it can be op in the right hands

hmm Emps in there and give it like 100-200 pvp tokens to get one seems ok.

100-200 pvp tokens? :S ouch

[Rayray]

^ must be discussed by the community, im just throwing in ideas. In all honesty, I just want people to actually pvp. so if you think that is too much, then please say so.

[Mint]

Are you thinking of BR tokens? :S because sacred wings are only 10 pvp tokens and they're worth (ingame) around the same price as the old emps

[thePast]

Instead of putting back old emp or imps, giving new recolored emp or imps might be better, like yellow or brown. c:

[Rayray]

@mint

yeah i think i was thinking of br. so hmm, 10 pvp tokens = emp? i think it was too low though. adding Imperial helm like(in terms of stats) headgears might be nice too.

@thePast

well I thought about that too, If the GM team isnt saving new recoloured emps for new castles then why not. but yellow emp, isn't that like gold emp already?

thanks for your input guys.. so far here is what we got

1. Old Emps to be part of pvp rewards.. number of pvp tokens for each must be discussed though.

2. New Emps and New Imps. same, number of pvp tokens must be discussed.

[Perishable]

I say we give Sacred Wings and Royal Angel Wings the same stats. The only different is the looks. Both are PvP Ladder rewards. It'll be nice to see everyone with different variety of items but share equal amount of balance. I suggest the new stats for the two wings to be

{ bonus bShortWeaponDamageReturn,13; bonus2 bSubRace,RC_DemiHuman,10; bonus bMaxHPrate,8; bonus bAllStats,10; },{},{}

Reflecting 13%, Reduction against DemiHuman 10%, Max HP 8%, All Stats + 10. Also give it a slot for card compounding. This stats for the PvP reward should be at least near Balloons, Capes, Rings, etc.. I know it might seem stupid changing the stats of Royal Angel Wings but can't you see we have a lot of Expansion Hats that gives the same effects like F.Helm but in different looks? We can do the same for wings. Not just different colors. Plus it won't hurt much. PvP ladder wings are not donation items, they're PvP rewards item. This should be balanced. That's my suggestion though. Feel free to give your own input and ideas. And tone things down if you feel its a bit too much.

Edited January 22, 2013 by Perishable

[Adonis]

new rewards = yes

improvement of sacreds = no they are already good enough

[Nadtorious]

I think a slot would be good enough.

[Veracity]

Okay, adding stats to already existing PvP rewards won't really encourage people to PvP more. A ton of people already HAVE the PvP rewards, and all it comes down to is if you want a different color of it or not. It'd basically be giving all of the people that have the items already a free buff, but I don't think it would increase PvP competition that much, if at all.

Personally, I'm very baffled as to why newbie players don't try to ladder in the new Excalibur room. With veteran player's interest waning in the ladder, it seems like an opportune time to take advantage of the newly added room. There are tons of players who would benefit from this room and actually be able to enjoy PvP so I'm a little at a loss. This is not 100% related to the suggestion, but I'm curious as to why this is the case. I understand why older players have less interest in the ladder but...

Anyway, back to the topic. The only way I could see buffing sacreds/royals to help increase PvP activity would be if we increased the stats on new "Improved" versions of them that would be re-added to the ladder, maybe with new colors to match the new WoE reward colors or something.

I will say I am 100% against adding emperium auroras as reward for PvP ladder though.

TLDR: a) I'm not against buffing sacreds but they'd have to be added as new items in order to actually encourage people to ladder.

b) Why don't more newbies use the new Excalibur room to try to ladder when veteran players aren't as competitive in laddering anymore?

[Rayray]

@Veracity i'm sorry i wasn't able to make it clear. I agree with you on the sacreds, that if we buff them, it have to be a new kind of sacreds. I wasn't able to put it in the main suggestion sorry.

Besides that, There should be an item in the rewards that is really good that most people can't pass it up. People WoE because of emps, imps and eidelic wings. If we have something in rewards that is like that.

[Veracity]

No need to apologize, I wasn't sure and it seems like other people had been suggesting buffing the existing wings. I agree with you though, I think it's a very good suggestion. :)

[Perishable]

Okay, adding stats to already existing PvP rewards won't really encourage people to PvP more. A ton of people already HAVE the PvP rewards, and all it comes down to is if you want a different color of it or not. It'd basically be giving all of the people that have the items already a free buff, but I don't think it would increase PvP competition that much, if at all.

Personally, I'm very baffled as to why newbie players don't try to ladder in the new Excalibur room. With veteran player's interest waning in the ladder, it seems like an opportune time to take advantage of the newly added room. There are tons of players who would benefit from this room and actually be able to enjoy PvP so I'm a little at a loss. This is not 100% related to the suggestion, but I'm curious as to why this is the case. I understand why older players have less interest in the ladder but...

Anyway, back to the topic. The only way I could see buffing sacreds/royals to help increase PvP activity would be if we increased the stats on new "Improved" versions of them that would be re-added to the ladder, maybe with new colors to match the new WoE reward colors or something.

I will say I am 100% against adding emperium auroras as reward for PvP ladder though.

TLDR: a) I'm not against buffing sacreds but they'd have to be added as new items in order to actually encourage people to ladder.

b) Why don't more newbies use the new Excalibur room to try to ladder when veteran players aren't as competitive in laddering anymore?

If you put it that way, I'll drop my suggestion. All I did was suggested a stat for the wings. Cape / Blessed / Cursed Rings has better stats. Donation Exclusive..... It has 5% reduction and other stats to make up what Sacred Wings gives. I know its a free buff for people that have it. But what about people that don't have Rings or Capes. Isn't it the same thing? And we can't just expect newbies to start going to the new Excalibur room right away. The update was released only a few days ago. It takes time for them to get the idea of what is needed and what was removed for the veteran players. But don't just plan to exclude veterans from the release. We know you guys are working hard and trying to get players to join, I respect that. The bigger the community, a better the competition. We were all once newbies. I can see the balanced between Veterans and Newbies. Veterans started off just like the newbies. Anyways, I don't want any problems. Whatever happen, happens. Its what's best for all. Just an input from a player.

[Veracity]

I apologize if my comments came off as being dismissive of your input or anyone else's. I really appreciate the discussion here and it's super helpful for us. I think the points you raised are legitimate, especially about the newbies in PvP. We definitely don't want to exclude veterans either, and I agree that with the new items we've released, the PvP wings aren't as desirable as they once were. I like the suggestions of buffing the wings, but I think in order for it to increase PvP activity with people who already have the wings, we'd need to add them as new items. Since the main reason behind buffing the wings would be for the prizes to be desirable again and encourage people to ladder.

I'd love to hear more suggestions on specific stats we can increase on the wings. I know quite a few people have already suggested some, but it'd be good if we could get more people involved and come up with a few solid options that we can work with. I'd also love to hear any other ideas on things we could do to increase activity in the PvP rooms. Thank you guys so much for all of the input so far, very very helpful. :)

[Rayray]

aside from the wings, we need something that can only be gained in pvp and it should be really, really good. im at work and i cant think of anything yet.