bankai` Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 Well I've been playing SN for like a week now and been testing them out there Offensive ability is fine but defensive ability is horrible I still get own, mainly by Champions. Some people are gonna be like nah nah 400k hp with 2 tao nah no need a change they are fine...YEA 400K HP but i still get own 1 hit by asura and deadly Matry by Paladin so why not make there HP like stalker or gunslinger or Wizzard...meaning make there hp like 150k without using tao and change tao back to 30% with all classes.. without this change things aren't balance so you ask for balance?...change it!!
Gilgamesh Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 some people want changes so that their character can kill any class
bankai` Posted June 9, 2010 Author Report Posted June 9, 2010 (edited) some people want changes so that their character can kill any class Yea I know that but this change is reasonable because no mater what you do you'll get own by a champion and Paladin, on top of that maintaining a decent offensive ability that means using 2 Fbh instead of 2 Anti Firelock. So I don't understand why wouldn't this go threw its reasonable and most hp you'll get with 1 tao and gr is 160k the most... COME ON how can you compete...just not balance and this is a reasonable change so i don't understand why this wouldn't go threw.. Edited June 9, 2010 by bankai`
Gilgamesh Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 when you talk of balance SN isn't supposed to be considered he's just there to vend and farm but nothin else. fro once claimed it was a hr server with a low rate feel but we all saw it was impossible to balance a 255 stat server. your suggestion will also not balance anything in the server. if i were you i'd stick to whatever the server offers...yeah speaking of that, this server was far better without all the unnecessary add-ons thanks to some ppl's useless suggestions. i dont know how a pally can kill you since you have a safety wall and if champs kill you so often i guess you have consider placing pneuma and safety wall in strategic spots but i'll have to admit it's a tough one cuz nothing really works perfectly when the max ASPD is 195. you can hear people say lrn2switch gears and stuff but they themselves fail at it. no one can do that effectively when the game play it too fast.
bankai` Posted June 9, 2010 Author Report Posted June 9, 2010 when you talk of balance SN isn't supposed to be considered he's just there to vend and farm but nothin else. fro once claimed it was a hr server with a low rate feel but we all saw it was impossible to balance a 255 stat server. your suggestion will also not balance anything in the server. if i were you i'd stick to whatever the server offers...yeah speaking of that, this server was far better without all the unnecessary add-ons thanks to some ppl's useless suggestions. i dont know how a pally can kill you since you have a safety wall and if champs kill you so often i guess you have consider placing pneuma and safety wall in strategic spots but i'll have to admit it's a tough one cuz nothing really works perfectly when the max ASPD is 195. you can hear people say lrn2switch gears and stuff but they themselves fail at it. no one can do that effectively when the game play it too fast. Well this is a HR server and anything goes and this benefit for only SN class obviously, what makes things more balance for the server and a more better experience for each class and this is a suggestion section so why would i stick to something that isn't balance for that class in my opinion. Well you shouldn't tell me i should consider placing pneuma and safety wall etc..because you always cant get around those because those dmg are deadly using 2 tao and deviling card or rydric and if you are caught of guard bam your immediately dead so this change will help SN a lot because those are the only 2 classes that I avoid fighting
Cirrus Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 SN's are SN's, they're not supposed to be on par with *gasp*, Transcendent classes. I still go by RO is never meant to be balanced, and by far it's good that we're trying. But sometimes it just goes too far. Like this one.
bankai` Posted June 9, 2010 Author Report Posted June 9, 2010 SN's are SN's, they're not supposed to be on par with *gasp*, Transcendent classes. I still go by RO is never meant to be balanced, and by far it's good that we're trying. But sometimes it just goes too far. Like this one. Then again this is a high rate server and anything goes as long as its balance and this is making SN more balance so I don't see what's the problem.. just cause something Its not Transcendent class doesn't mean it has to be weaker then one another.
Cirrus Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 some people want changes so that their character can kill any class I'll just quote this piece of wisdom.
Ethereal Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 ^ They are indeed words of wisdom. I'll be honest- I could care more or less about super novices but I personally think they're fine enough. They already have a MASSIVE HP boost with Tao Gunka and have most of the first job skills, so you're bound to find at least a few good strategies to use in PvP.
Perishable Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 I want to try emperium breaking on supernovice but I have to go tao+gloom.
supream Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 lks cant kill clowns, snipers cant kill champs or mages, mages lose to gtb, pallies lose to gr. champs lose to pallies. whats your point?
bankai` Posted June 9, 2010 Author Report Posted June 9, 2010 ^ They are indeed words of wisdom. I'll be honest- I could care more or less about super novices but I personally think they're fine enough. They already have a MASSIVE HP boost with Tao Gunka and have most of the first job skills, so you're bound to find at least a few good strategies to use in PvP. YEA hp boost is 400k hp with 2 tao but you'll still die with a decent asura...dam people aren't getting my point here..
Ryuk Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 *cough Deviling card cough* Or try using tao/gr instead of double tao at all times ? Well this is a HR server and anything goes and this benefit for only SN class obviously, what makes things more balance for the server and a more better experience for each class and this is a suggestion section so why would i stick to something that isn't balance for that class in my opinion. How on earth is it going to be balanced by buffing one class and nerfing all others ? Keep in mind the class you're playing is a super NOVICE. You're not supposed to be a killing machine even though supernovices can be extremely strong with their massive hp and many many ways to battle. Really when I opened this topic I expected someone to ask for a nerf on super-novices, instead I find someone that wants to buff the already hugely buffed class. Seriously supernovices are fine the way they are, if not too fine.
Rayray Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 SN's are way, way fine the way they are now. we got 255 job stats which means you can get every skill SN can get. If Champs kill you so much, then use GR+Tao. Just because the name says "SUPER Novice" it doesn't mean that it should a killing machine :p
kuoch Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 I've played SN just fine against champ. The current boost they gave to them is great. So you should be able to get around and PvP just fine with them if you know what your doing.
Shono Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 (edited) man whats with all these topics to make classes stronger or better, just leave them as they are. I disagree with this. Edited June 9, 2010 by Shono
Danny Posted June 10, 2010 Report Posted June 10, 2010 ^ I agree with Huy on disagreeing on this idea. SN are meant to vend, farm and annoy a lot of players in the game but not to pwnt people lol.
bankai` Posted June 10, 2010 Author Report Posted June 10, 2010 *cough Deviling card cough* Or try using tao/gr instead of double tao at all times ? How on earth is it going to be balanced by buffing one class and nerfing all others ? Keep in mind the class you're playing is a super NOVICE. You're not supposed to be a killing machine even though supernovices can be extremely strong with their massive hp and many many ways to battle. Really when I opened this topic I expected someone to ask for a nerf on super-novices, instead I find someone that wants to buff the already hugely buffed class. Seriously supernovices are fine the way they are, if not too fine. before you say anything understand the tactics when you are pvping if i go tao/gr ill get own by asura cause i have 150k hp if i go 2 tao i get own even more if i go deviling ill get own by TSS..so if i had regular hp like a stalker or wizard, would give me a better chance to survive these kind of things and just cause its a SN don't mean shit we been working on balance since 2007 so why would you be so retarded and say just cause its a novice it doesn't need this improvement. Try going full defense with any class i bet they can survive asura except super novice try it if you don't believe me and dont give me bullshit that I'm using wrong gear...blah blah blah
Nadtorious Posted June 10, 2010 Report Posted June 10, 2010 *cough Deviling card cough* Or try using tao/gr instead of double tao at all times ? What he says . I fight champs with a bebe supernovice . Tao+GR+Shield of Defending . Go HW/HP/Prof style on them . Strip shield . Spam fire bolts . Kaboom . :tongue: Next thing you know he's laying down on the floor . ^^,
ginkgo Posted June 11, 2010 Report Posted June 11, 2010 (edited) Just gear switch dude 2 devs + ghostring + usak shield dude and wtf are u talking about TTS for you have pneuma learn to play super novice.... Edited June 11, 2010 by ginkgo
Adum* Posted June 11, 2010 Report Posted June 11, 2010 id seen SN pwn champs..SN are fine the way they are, so disagree.
Ryuk Posted June 11, 2010 Report Posted June 11, 2010 before you say anything understand the tactics when you are pvping if i go tao/gr ill get own by asura cause i have 150k hp if i go 2 tao i get own even more if i go deviling ill get own by TSS..so if i had regular hp like a stalker or wizard, would give me a better chance to survive these kind of things and just cause its a SN don't mean shit we been working on balance since 2007 so why would you be so retarded and say just cause its a novice it doesn't need this improvement. Try going full defense with any class i bet they can survive asura except super novice try it if you don't believe me and dont give me bullshit that I'm using wrong gear...blah blah blah I understand pvp tactics perfectly fine. And you can survive any asura with 150k hp if you wear double immune or devi/immune. Also you (as a super novice) have both safetywall and pneuma, instead of trying to tank all the damage perhaps try dodging some by using your full skill potential ? A supernovie gets 150k hp with 1 tao and 1 vit. While it takes nearly 200 vit for some other classes to reach this hp with 1 tao, so why on earth should we buff supernovices even more ? Just so everything is clear, a supernovice is not supposed to be a PVP class. With the buffs we gave it it can be extremely strong in pvp already. The super novice is great already, I do not feel like making it a complete killing machine just because you want it to be that way. So far everyone has disagreed to this suggestion so I know others share this opinion. Hence why calling me a retard is uneccesary and plain rude.
bankai` Posted June 12, 2010 Author Report Posted June 12, 2010 I understand pvp tactics perfectly fine. And you can survive any asura with 150k hp if you wear double immune or devi/immune. Also you (as a super novice) have both safetywall and pneuma, instead of trying to tank all the damage perhaps try dodging some by using your full skill potential ? A supernovie gets 150k hp with 1 tao and 1 vit. While it takes nearly 200 vit for some other classes to reach this hp with 1 tao, so why on earth should we buff supernovices even more ? Just so everything is clear, a supernovice is not supposed to be a PVP class. With the buffs we gave it it can be extremely strong in pvp already. The super novice is great already, I do not feel like making it a complete killing machine just because you want it to be that way. So far everyone has disagreed to this suggestion so I know others share this opinion. Hence why calling me a retard is uneccesary and plain rude. You know nothing about pvp and I'm just going in circle about this and a ain't gonna explain to you again you're so simple minded and know nothing pvp and I said you sound retarded not you are retarded learn to read kid and i try every defensive in the book so before you tell people use this use that try it yourself when you don't no scrap.
Ryuk Posted June 12, 2010 Report Posted June 12, 2010 Apparently you're the only one so far on this entire server that thinks this way. I'm not gonna try to explain to you any further why I disagree on this suggestion. My point has been made. And all other players so far have disagreed with you as well. For me that says enough. why would you be so retarded I said you sound retarded not you are retarded Just lol ?
bankai` Posted June 12, 2010 Author Report Posted June 12, 2010 Apparently you're the only one so far on this entire server that thinks this way. I'm not gonna try to explain to you any further why I disagree on this suggestion. My point has been made. And all other players so far have disagreed with you as well. For me that says enough. Just lol ? we was talking bout tactics of pvp and obviously you can't back anything up about it so of course you can't explain nothing you have no experience with pvp and just trying to jump on the band wagon
