Whitesmith Job.

[Ryuk]

Why did the one abusive post get removed, but the 5 other spam posts get ignored?

Every person with a off topic post had their warn level increased. However only one of the posts was deleted due to abusive language and trying to start a flame war.

[Yukumaru]

FINALLY! Somebody made a suggestion bout WS. Seriously this class is sooooo underpowered. Low HP, low damage, easy to out ygg them. Plus it is kinda hard to kill someone when you're doing like 15k~19k a CT and ygg at the same time while they're hitting you I'd say...12k~16k a hit (Fighting a sin x.) So yah I definitely agree with this topic.

+1

[Adamxd]

Well in my opinion ws class is pretty tough. Ct dmg is high, and its impossible to reflect which is advantage. When opponent uses usakoring you can easily coma him. Also you can try reflect against sinx+ guilotine, you have cart when you can put yggs, you are able to repair weapons and destroy without using ws card. Also you can use ice pick instead of thana. So Just find tactics, practice a bit. If you need help with ws pm me.

Edited May 16, 2010 by Adamxd

[supream]

guilotine is a 2 handed weapon ull die against a sinx if u use it. taking yggs out of cart lowers ur ct damage. fcp cures all problems. anyone can coma.

[Adamxd]

when u go reflect against sinx shield is not needed, thats why I use guilotine^^ Secondly Ws can hold like ~315 ygg thats pretty much.

[srk]

When I last played on forsaken.. whitesmith class was underpowered a tad...

[bankai`]

when u go reflect against sinx shield is not needed, thats why I use guilotine^^ Secondly Ws can hold like ~315 ygg thats pretty much.

315? don't kid yourself its more like 1000+ you forgot about there cart

[supream]

like i said taking stuff out the cart will lower your ct damage.

[bankai`]

like i said taking stuff out the cart will lower your ct damage.

totally forgot about that lmao my bad and 315 is pretty high

Edited May 17, 2010 by bankai`

[Shadi]

when u go reflect against sinx shield is not needed, thats why I use guilotine^^ Secondly Ws can hold like ~315 ygg thats pretty much.

If you're going to use a double mirror armor don't expect your hp to get above 110k (max) , I think it would be rather hard to outygg a assassin cross without a shield with only 110k max hp. Besides just reflect won't kill anyone. Even if you'd be able to ygg fast enough to outygg the assassin cross damage without a shield (it's hard to enough to outygg it WITH a shield) then you'd still waste at least 250-300+ yggs to kill the assassin cross with the low coma rate our weapon has.

[zac]

people yes it is still possible to be tactical with ws but cmon madox, think in comparison to other classes. anyone can go reflect and coma even sinx but the diffrence is sinx can edp with an edge and still deal 10k dmg a hit. so dont kid yourself. ws needs a boost and why should it have to work extra hard to be a good class when every other class is just easy. you cant forget in a high rate server alot of variables change making some things useless and other things overpowered. ws needs a boost and thats the fact at hand. try to be reasonable people, please.

[Adamxd]

110k hp? maybe yours not mine, use 2x vit belts 2x firelock.

[Shadi]

ok then you'll have 160k or so. And your damage will be 0. All you'll be able to do is coma and reflect, and waste hundreds of yggs before the coma finally kicks in. Really is that the way you should play Whitesmith ? Seems even more underpowered to me than I already thought it was.

Edited May 17, 2010 by Shadi

[Adamxd]

I checked i have 220k hp with 105% reflect. And if no go reducts use ct35-40k dmg into sinx. Ih he uses shield he does Shity dmg too.

Edited May 17, 2010 by Adamxd

[Forum~]

What I collected from reading the topic...

1) Adjust Atroce card (again). No need to make a custom card.

2) Don't increase their cart weight-holding capacity. Higher weight limit = more healers (although one can counter-argue that removing such healers would lower CT damage, more yggs = survivability- regardless of damage output. Example: WS can put on OL's and kill you by reflecting your damage.)

3) Modify Master Forgers 45-50% (Thus making it more similar to FBH card).

4) Remove demi-human damage modifier from WS weapons and add more attack. Useless unless they Mammonite, Cart Revolution, or melee attack.

5) Lower zeny cost when wielding the WS weapon, but don't remove zeny requirement (Zeny is not a problem in this server. Plus, it's a quirk to playing the Merchant class. CT speed = Attack speed, which means no Kiels required. Therefore, zeny requirement is justifiable).

6) LAWL, tomahawk hitting 20k would be pretty amusing. Just JKing though.

7) Make Cart Boost undispellable from skills like Quagmire and Decrease Agi.

*FCP cripples their other main utility; breaking gear, and WS card gives this ability of theirs to whoever wants it.

*Their skill HammerFall, doesn't work seeing everyone is immune to status ailments, believe me, this greatly cripples their game play from everything i experienced when facing WS in low rates.

*And to finish completely killing the concept of the class; in high rates, their forging ability is totally useless.

8) Well, FCP screws over Stalkers and this will never be changed.

9) AS RADICAL AS THIS SEEMS, I suggest changing the effect of Hammer Fall from causing stun to causing freeze (or any another status effect that has a chance of working on this server).

guilotine is a 2 handed weapon ull die against a sinx if u use it. taking yggs out of cart lowers ur ct damage. fcp cures all problems. anyone can coma.

10) Make Guillotine a 1 handed weapon (the same with Edge and the Book of the Dead).

[Shadi]

I checked i have 220k hp with 105% reflect. And if no go reducts use ct35-40k dmg into sinx. Ih he uses shield he does Shity dmg too.

Then you'd have at least like.. 300 vit. I have near 200 vit with tao and I reach 160k So without tao would require even more. Also if you wear firelock soldier cards (or vit belts) you'll never get a 40k CT on a sinx (none redux one). If the Sinx uses a shield he still does about 5x (if not more) the damage the Whitesmith does, and he'll have more hp as well. Do the math. ^^;;

Anyway, so far there has only been ONE person against the suggestion that was able to elaborate , In other words I think the majority agrees with this suggestion. Any head GMs that could respond maybe ? :wink:

Edited May 24, 2010 by Shadi

[Adamxd]

Man if you could do 40k ct and have 105% reflect that would be pwned. You can't have all goodness in same time.

[Shadi]

Man if you could do 40k ct and have 105% reflect that would be pwned. You can't have all goodness in same time.

As stated before it's impossible to get a 40k ct on a normal geared player, and with your 105% reflect you'd die in a a single hit. Even if you get max vit and 2 skolls to make up for the hp loss by removing tao + you'd need the defence reduction. You'd also need to use firelock to get anywhere near decent hp which means no forsaken forger cards, which would mean another reduction in damage. At the same time you'll have low str since everything would be in vit to survive only a tad.

At this very same time, supernovices just get a single change which makes them have 3x the HP whitesmiths will ever be able to get without a single stat point added to vit.

You can't have all goodness in same time.

I really really did rofl at this sentence. I'm sorry but it seems like you're the only one thinking Whitesmiths are decent atm. That should proof something already. Can't have all goodness.. True. But we shouldn't have all suckness either, and that's exactly what we have right now.

I'd really just like a response from a head gm whether this suggestion or suggestions will be accepted or not.

[Adamxd]

Ok. Duel my ws. If I pawn you, you will admit to close this topic.

[Shadi]

Bumping this topic. Also Adam, no useless posts please. Dueling a WS with a WS won't show how underpowered the WS class is ^^;

[Adamxd]

You can choose any class.

[Shadi]

I see no reason in dueling you, My point has been proven already and all other people except for you have agreed on the points made. (except for like 1-2 others that could not elaborate their opinion, hence why I don't count them)

[Shadi]

Bumping the topic ><

[Rayray]

I agree on the boosts for WS. I haven't seen a lot of WS and this might be the reason for it, they are too underpowered compared to champs and sinx. and the fact that FCP+ usakoring forsaken shield is absolute hell for a WS really means that the WS class needs a little boost. Dispell screws WS already anyway.

[Rayray]

^

Awesome reply. nuff said