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I'm available link /slur

I barely pvp lululz but I'm bragging that I'm teh best /gg

Kindly ignore all the drama and heavy issues that has been going on for the past days. Its been a rough start but we never meant anything harmful. The community is still good and the Game Masters are still very outstanding in their job. If you need anything like leveling, questions, and other stuff that you might need assistance, feel free to ask me and I would never hesitate to help you. Same goes for the other players who are new to forsakenRO.

Adorable, and not to mention, well-made as always. /no1 9/10.

I'm being nice to you by the way, so I'm not going to listen to your bitching any longer. First of all, I never did math for shit, so if you're asking me to do math in RO, then screw that as well. If you don't like the drop rate then stop bitching about it because its completely irrelevant and not to mention useless. If you're trying to tell me I'm some dumbshit, then you're obviously mistaken. You're the one asking for help so there's no need to get all stingy on me, you ingrate. You're making matters worse by all your complaining, when everything is very simple anyway. I don't give two shits if I didn't check everything since it wasn't my responsibility to begin with. Now, if you're gonna complain on my face, then I'm gonna get your ass handed back to you in no time sir. The drop rate is at 100% at most times if you read what I mentioned earlier. I wasn't pertaining to JUST quest items. I was just making a good and harmless example just to clear things up. Not everything is dropped at 100%, since some MIGHT be quest items. Some are item-making ingredients, so there would be various rates depending on the server settings. The results always vary, so if your brain can't handle that, then I could care less what happens next to you. If you can buy those stuff from the NPC, then congratulations on your discovery. Other than that, I don't fucking care.

Although MOST of the items are at 100% drop rate, some items are reduced to a lesser drop to avoid exploitation by farmers and botters. Usually, the reduced items are the quest items, so reducing them makes the quests a bit harder than usual.

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5 months ago 4 months ago (IsoBuster ftw for making Playstation ISOs) recent (PC got reformatted lulz)

What I meant to say with buffwhores are the people hated for having too much buffs. I've never seen people complain in iRO for buffing, only in special instances like fair duels. But buffs are treasures there. Oh sure, more honorary talks. Its honor this, honor that to you, when there is absolutely no relevance to the topic. You're trying to get rid of the buffs, not the buff bots themselves. The buffs stays in and out of PvP okay? Whether being given by a buff bot or not, they are all legit and usable skills. Whatever skill it is, even if it boosts you in a multitude of times, as long as its legal, then it stays. You are contradicting yourself in many ways. Buffs aren't biased by all means because its accessible to everyone. Newbies get boosted by buffs, and same effects for the higher levels. It isn't the high levels/better equipped that benefits from it. Everyone does. Now get back on topic and discuss about buff bots. I'm pretty much disappointed already on how ignored my points are in this thread. Discard the ideas of removing the pre-buffing in PvP, and concentrate on the discussion on hexed clients/macros/bots. And yes, seeing your damage in WOE is an advantage just so you know. Others can't see their damage, so it would be harder to decide on anything. Those who see their damage gets lowered/increased can obviously adapt better to the situation. How can this be ignored as much as you give attention to buff bots? Think hard. @GM Risk http://forum.forsaken-ro.net/index.php?s=&...ost&p=27323

Okay okay, so maybe you got me on the illegality of bots. Well, its not the only thing illegal here isn't it? Since the buff bots being illegal is the only decent defense you have against mine, then I'll take it into consideration as well. So the harmless buff bot has finally been noticed while the other illegal scripts weren't. How sharp! I'm impressed. Now, I'm positive the GMs knew what to do right? They should remove ILLEGAL stuff from our server right? Buff bot might be a bot, but if you wanna talk about Illegalities, then shouldn't we make a campaign to remove the other macros as well? I mean, there are other illegalities here right? Shouldn't we remove those FAR MORE dangerous ones too? Poor buff bot isn't the only harmful one is it? Lets remove it all for balanced gameplay. Even dual clienting is illegal and not implemented in some servers unless they forcibly hack the registry right? I am no dumb cookie since I know it well. Why don't we remove it too? Buff bots and other "illegalities" should be removed if you're claiming that it does harmful effects to our server right? I hope you understand that I am not making just empty statements out of nothing right? I do hope so. Between right and wrong, "legit" and "illegalities", shouldn't you rethink carefully of your statements before making attempts at masking your ideas with false illusions of balance? I mean, if our good ol' buff bot doesn't do anything BUT devastates the server according to our righteous players, then shouldn't we rethink about the much MORE devastating relatives of buff bot too? Make buff bot stay at least since he's pretty much harmless anyway. But if you plan on attacking me with your so-called "illegalities" then I'm expecting to get your ass handed right away. Thank you for your time.

I expected at least a bit of pedophilia, but I guess I expected too much.

Am I picking on anyone? Does my statements look like a joke? I'm trying to prove a point here. Tell me in all honesty whats imbalanced in pre-buffing and buffbots? Seriously answer me with your full mental capacity because I'm wasting my time explaining. Buffbots MIGHT be wrong, but whats WRONG WITH LEGIT BUFFING then? Devastating? Tell me.

I know that it is illegal by now. But if you read my whole post correctly, I am willing to have it removed, just as long as they don't remove our rights of pre-buffing before going into PvP. Analyze it correctly man, and not give false supports. Or else, I will post and post until I remove that idea out of this thread. Buff bots can go, but never, EVER, remove our chances of pre-buffing. In all honestly, TELL ME WHATS WRONG IN USING LEGIT SKILLS to power yourself up?! Tell me! Remove the macros, auto-AD/ and haxed WOE clients, but never that option. Just that.

Gilgamesh, as usual, you ended up quoting everything without proving anything. Alright then, I'll make it as simple as I could so I can match up to that rusted old brain of yours. If this doesn't make you give up, then you're just too naive like your ideas of "honor and justice". In my posts, I never said about disabling the buffs in pvp. I said that it is WRONG to disable pre-buffing in PvP. And you say A LOT of lowrates disabled pre-buffing because they don't want buff whores? See, thats the biggest fault in your statement. You, once again have been very predictable since the very beginning. You keep on defending as hard as you could, but in the end, I come out and pin you down in another checkmate. Don't believe it? Here goes: First of all, there is no such thing as buffwhores in low rates. In case you didn't notice, I am trying to match up with Zeitgeist's statement of "what should be" in RO. Now, a good example of this is the "official servers", and the "low rate" servers. Its usually this kind servers that have large populations, am I right? Now there is no such thing as "Domination" in low rates since everything is capped down to a much faster gameplay compared to ours. They have moderate damage compared to their low HP. In short, they die easily. In these desperate situations, they unconditionally ask for buffs to a random Priest that sits in the PvP entrance. Of course, the kind priest buffs them or so. Now, even with buffed, most of them never had a chance to win because their opponent had better gears, and probably more playing experience. Still, those buffs usually extends their lifespan in PvP. If those buffs were for example, removed from the system, wouldn't it devastate the balance itself? Same goes with our Highrate version of RO. We have leet gears, we have high HP and stats, and we got the pre-buffs system. Since everything is easier to get than in low rates, we should understand the damage gap the we possess. Like every MMORPG in this millenia, RO is sadly a standard RPG. The more damage the opposing character has, the most likely we strive to shield away from it. We try to balance what we do not possess by taking in added strength from other resources. However, although they were buffed, the percentage of losing is still there. I mean, if they prepared in advance so as to shorten their battle capacity, isn't that a valid tactic? The opposing party can do so as well. Get it now? And you said they DISABLED pre-buffing in low rates? Prove what good it did. I mean, who would want to play in a server that cancels the buff you prepared before going into PvP/WOE/LMS. Wouldn't that give the advantage to the ones who were already lions (and most likely make an excuse with honor and shit). Yes, there is the duels of true honor in this server, but there is also a battle of tactics. If you want a fair and non-buff reliant duel, then say so. But in a free-for-all match, everything is possible. In the true spirit of our previous Lowrate lives, we would always remember that we once asked for buffs in desperation to win against an ambush or against a player who is trying to prove himself strong. There are no standards in PvP, and most certainly no rules on winning. Its just put up or shut up. Unless you haxed yourself to do 9999999 melee, then everything else is fine, including pre-buffing. You never had a point son, only misconceptions. There was never any cheating, only misunderstandings. Everyone used buff bots every once in a while, so there is no denying that they they took benefit from it. GMs, I humbly appeal that you read this carefully, because this statements of mine is the deciding factor of my defense in the matter of pre-buffing. Imagine what those thousands of lowrate players do if the PvP stations prevented them from pre-buffing. Wouldn't they get raped by unconditional means? Sure, the higher leveled players could buff too, but that doesn't change the fact that the oppressed players had a chance even in smaller quantities to win against the other players. Destroy that concept and there will be hell... Or most likely bad rumors about that server being gay and all. You take away our freedom to pre-buff ourselves in desperate times (with the exceptions of fair and agreed dueling), then you take away the true essence of RO if you really knew what you are talking about. If you disable our ability to buff before a tight battle, then you've lost your senses and you were blinded by false appeals. I might agree to the removal of any hacks in this server (buffbots, hacked camera angles/ WOE damage hacks/ and Auto-AD script), but please, DON'T YOU DARE remove our freedom for a pre-emptive strike. Its not a strategy limited to us alone... ITS A STRATEGY THAT THE FOUNDERS OF RAGNAROK BUILT FOR EVERYONE'S ENJOYMENT. And yes Gilgamesh, it has always been a cooperative play sadly. If it weren't, then there's no WOE/LMS/Guild War/Capture the flag/and Poring ball. Remember that there is no "I" in a team. It is what balance is made for. Got oppressed by a stronger opponent? Make a faction for yourselves and seize the glory. Plan and dominate, not just dominate because you did it alone. You and your companions did it together. If you want me to prove you wrong a thousand times, then I will. By all that represent MMORPGS, I will prove you wrong everytime. Not approved? I recall somewhere having this "approval" of yours. Even if it wasn't approved, why does it exist? Why does it continue to be used in this server? Remove all the hacks you find, but I'm damn sure you can't remove our freedom for a pre-buff in PvP. Sure take away the harmless buff bot, but not everyone's rights for victory. You heard me right. EVERYONE can have that chance. Take it all away that you think is illegal but not our legal rights. I'll say it again, "Yes, buff-reliance is wrong if you want to be strong, but it is Legal. Strength alone never win wars. Sure, you may be the best in non-buffed duels, but you can augment that strength too using buffs in desperate times. If you think your skill alone can win against a whole guild or party in LMS, then think again. Ganging is also cooperative play so expect them to use every means to take you down. Don't you buff yourself too before going to PvP? Face it, you need those buffs too. Everyone does. Removing it is as dumb as bullcrap. Don't talk to me about skills because I have it too and so does the remaining 200 people in this server. But what you're doing is ruining a good server. Don't deprive yourself of the things that might come in handy to you as well in the future. Stop being childish and let us play the game we all love." Once again, its checkmate for you kind sir. By the screenshots you posted, I can see that indeed, you got pwnt. Its their right too am I correct? Why not form a party too and take them out with the same strategy. If you call yourself a true fighter, then quit crying and do something. Its PvP, and you don't seem to lack good gears either. You don't look like a newbie yourself, so why should we give mercy on your appeal? Its a PvP raid, so its natural. If everyone were friends, then what is PvP for? Sure enough, you know what I mean right? Instead of complaining, FIGHT back and show them you're a man with the plan.

You should have known by now how serious I am. /gg

See you again, awesome guild leader. I will always look up to you as our commander from hell.

So far, nobody has taken me up on my challenge. I dare you to tell me what makes buff bots so wrong that it disrupts balanced game play. I don't give two shits if Influence, Forsaken, and Escape are at war, but please tell me whats wrong with it. Is it too much of a hazard that it makes the gangers cry, and the so-called "elites" feel so weak? I mean, whats the deal with you people? Have you gone out of your minds? All you care about is your precious e-peen, and not on whats really going on. Seriously, I could care less if this turns out as another influence thread, but I want a straight answer. For me, Auto-AD script is much more devastating, or in another instance, the script that allows you to see your damages in WOE. I really think this thread is biased. And to also think that you want to cancel out your buffs in WOE/PvP/LMS too? Well, isn't that giving the imbalance to the ones who has the money to buy fcp scrolls? I mean, most of us uses FCP buffers in LMS, so whats the point of the whole thing if you jump into a den of lions unprepared? Would you agree going to LMS fighting the ones who can buy FCP scrolls? What about the others who doesn't? Its not always single play, but cooperative play as well. Buffbots are about as haxed as the Auto-AD and Damage/Camera hack in WOE. Would you let those two get implemented and not the harmless Buff Bot (Don't lie to me because I know you use it too)? Think about the weight of your words. I find it offending that your way of thinking always get your way. If you care too much about balance, then think of the most important stuff other than your own selfishness. If you want a reasonable answer, I am always here standing ready for whatever you got. Thats a promise. And you think other hacked stuff was meant to be in RO too? If you want to remove one, then remove it all. But removing our pre-emptive chance of pre-buffing is simply wrong. All RO servers allows it. Buff bots or none, pre-buffing has been a tradition of RO since 5 years ago. Everyone going into PvP asks for buffs before fighting. Thats in Low rate official servers. What about in highrates? We ask for FCP because we want to avoid getting any broken stuff. We ask for priest buffs because we might get ambushed anytime. Isn't it the whole point of the whole thing? Not every buffed person gets a fair chance of winning. Buffs however, increases that chance. So are you saying that their points are the only ones who will win everytime? Don't they use buff bots as well? Is it so wrong? Not everyone who takes the role of buff bots can't play. YOU implemented the dual clienting too right? The other character can play while the other client stands in wait. It doesn't impair their playing capacity at all. What you were saying has just been proven wrong. Buff bots aren't the only issue here because Gilgamesh suggested the pre-buff removal in PvP/LMS. Is that justice and balanced gameplay for you? Tell me if my impression of Justice in ForsakenRO has been wrong all this time. Its not just balance for one, its balance for the greater masses and not just a single guild. I dare you to gang me in this thread too if you can.

I'm not ruining it. I'm just telling them that as a precaution. No harm intended in all honesty. I personally like this poll myself so ruining it is out of the question.

Join escape! We got buff bots too /gg

The poll is a trick. Look at this: Should we or shouldn't we allow buff bots? Yes or no only? Yes, we should allow it, or yes, we should remove it? No, we should allow it, or no we shouldn't? I see people vote no because they think it would stop the campaign, and some voted no because they thought it would remove the buff bots. In the end, some votes are mixed up. Read it carefully.

Seriously Gilgamesh, if you think thats the best you can come up against me, then I'm going to bombard you with longer statements. All you do is trash talk, but you got nothing when it comes to true intellectual talk. Black propaganda is nothing to me, so I say bring it on. I humbly accept your challenge. You're most certainly not the smartest tool in the shed aren't you? Feeling better by saying you could express it in lesser words is just plain idiocy. Heated arguments like this are best explained in detail, not in cowardly short posts. Let me start all over again. First of all, I would like to say that I shall finish you off once and for all on in this reply. All you want is to prove your point in being the best in a fair duel. Tell me, would everyone agree in fair dueling in a PK server? I think not. Remember that this is more of a survival game more than anything. If everyone were like you then you might have a point. But seeing that we have more than at least 200+ unique individuals in this server, one or the other would most likely take a jump at you whether you like it or not. If this is a non PK server my good sir, then I would have agreed with you. But of course, thats not the case. Not everyone wanted a fair duel, some wanted to prove their power by taking your skull, while some just like to brag. Tell you what... There isn't even a standard in dueling. You can fight however you wanted to, wherever you wanted to, and whenever you wanted to. In the end, it all lies to you whether you want to go into battle unprepared, or just rely on your honorable ideals. This takes us now to the main point of this refined argument of ours (don't lose your cool now because I'm not even breaking a sweat). I'll ask you one more time sir. "Why does having buff bots feel inconvenient for you? Why does pre-buffing pose so much as a threat to you?" If you don't take me seriously, I'll most likely trample on your ego even more. Answer me properly Gilgamesh. I'm giving you one more chance to redeem yourself. I will never get your point unless you explain it to me in detail. Now if you can't match up, I say you just give it up. Now, I'd say what you're trying to point out is purely unnecessary. There is no point for you to fight in. The buff bots you're so avidly enthusiastic to remove does nothing harmful to this server, nor it doesn't cause the breakdown of the system. If you wanted a proper duel so badly, then why not PM that person and tell him to do a buff-less duel with you? I'm sure he will understand. And if he doesn't, you can always hide in fcity when you're beat. Running out of options? Get the same buffs as well. Just leave the damned buff bots out of it. Really, I'm just finding pleasure in defending this side of the game. Whether the buff bots get removed or not is none of my concern, but your acts makes me think otherwise. If it was really for the greater good of the server, then what is the main reason that it appears as a threat to you? Its not cheating at all. Its almost the same as asking your friend/buddy to buff you anyway. Don't tell me you don't do it yourself? You just can't stop the fact that buffing is LEGAL and was meant to be obtained by all means. Isn't it the same as asking for a nerf? I mean, you want the buffers to lose their purpose? For what? Your own personal gain? I really don't think so good sir. Would you agree to a server that has a buff remover system each time you try and warp to WOE and PVP? Would you like your buffs stripped from you when you needed it? Thats the only time when things become gay! Truly gay indeed! Nobody would like a server where people piss/moan/cry about minor things as buffs. What about player skills? Would you cry about it as well? Yes folks, its all LEGAL and AVAILABLE skills. And when I say legal and available, it means those are available for everyone. Yes, even the haters can use it for themselves. SO why can't it be a win/win situation for you? Does it pain you so much that buff bots are much convenient than manual buffing via dual-clienting? I mean, its a revolutionary idea! Why hinder such an awesome thing? Well, try your best anyway. I'd like to see you try. Seriously, asking for a fair-duel is not that hard. If you want a fair duel, just say it (I just won't guarantee that the person would listen though since is a PK server). Just get your hands off at one thing that makes PvP battles worth hanging for. If a party is being driven to a pinch by gangers, then they always had the option of pre-buffing right? Whether its just WS/SL/Priest/whatever buffs, it can be easily obtained through our oh so reliable buff bots. Newbies might quit because they don't know of buff bots? Hardly an issue. around 60-70% of them knew the power of reliable dual-cliented buffing anyway. I am not implying that I am a buff-reliant player, as most of you see me without buffs and often complain about broken shit. But what do I do? I ask a friend for a bit of FCP, not necessarily SL/WS/Priest buffs. You get my point? Its either you think ahead, or you don't think and fight unprepared. Its their fault for not knowing or asking for extra buffs. Its their loss not ours. Now if they want to get me back because I buffed, then they should at least think of a strategy/way to win against me. Its purely logical. Like Clay said, if you beat a person while they're pretty much decked out, then thats true power. Not complaining because they buffed ahead. Why can't you be a true spartan like L2Aim? He's a formidable fighter that wins without buffs right? Surely, at his own skill alone, he can beat a buffed person in an unfair situation right? So it most likely isn't a threat to him right? The only time he can complain about buffs is when the other player agreed to have a fair duel then comes in with a buff bot to buff him/her. Just FCP is fine, but nevertheless still a buff. But even so, he could just say its cheating right? In a fair duel it IS cheating, but in an all out battle, every option if free for the taking. "The option of having fast and reliable buffs." Just so you know, YES. ForsakenRO is the best server out there. Even if you say its not, you're still here no? Why trash talk about our good server anyway? So predictable.

Funny ranting huh? I get your idea. But I'm not going to put myself to where my answers are considered so lowly as plain drama. If you think my replies were just jokes, then you've misjudged me greatly.

So what's the point of arguing then? How harmful can buff bots be to society? I'd like to get a straight answer somehow on why people are so obsessed with having buff bots removed.

...and you're saying your ideas were not selfish? Hah HONOR! You make me roll on the floor laughing! I never expected such a lame word to EVER pop out in this refined argument of ours. Sire, there is no honor in this game, only death to those who cannot adapt to the harsh gameplay of Ragnarok Online. Despair those who cannot win against the well-trained ones who are already adept to the playing grounds that they carved with their own legacies. Getting killed is what started this arguement, and getting killed is what will end it as well. Why I say you're selfish? Because you refuse to accept the fact that buff bots are convenient for the greater good. It does not cause imbalance, it does not cause great destruction to the system, only convenience to those who need the aid of extra protection. Its not some hacked game play, its just tactics. Pre-buffing, fortifying, planning, and winning. That is what makes up each and every one of us. The desire to win over the other is what makes us utilize every option available, just to prevent our own alter-egos from being destroyed. Its self-preservation in game, not honor preservation. Once your HP goes down to 0, all your hopes of taking your opponent down goes to hell as well. So what do you do? Switch to a new character and see if you can beat him, then he does the same as well. But at some instances, they come out with an unexpected surprise... BUFFS. Then they trample your face all over the solid grounds of anthell like an ant getting hit by 90k Sacrifice. With that added strength, they made winning possible. Now are you telling me its all wrong when you yourself FCP yourself when you find your weapons and armors getting shattered by WS, and your shields getting snatched away by gay strip. Its natural for us to feel hatred towards those people who trample with our egos, thats why we prevent it by trying our hardest to preserve ourselves. We utilize buff-bots because its tiring opening up another client just to buff yourself. It was never a crime to begin with. It is an option that is comparable to the fast-paced pitstops in NASCAR. Now if you find this too long to read, or your comprehension is just too low, I suggest you give up for your own sake. I will not lose to whatever kind of "greater good" you're trying to bring upon yourselves. Buff bots are here to stay. Now in all honesty, TELL ME WHATS WRONG WITH IT! Too long, didn't read? /heh

Oh so you did fail to answer my question. Seriously good sir, your reply took a while. Now time for my counterattack! Yes, I may not be even a GM, but buffing is illegal? So its illegal to buff now? Oh my what a statement sir! I hope you're ready to back it up after this. Now getting back on point, have you ever seen an RPG that doesn't buff themselves? Unless you're playing the good old-fashioned ping-pong, then buffing shouldn't be a new thing for you. We buff to get bonuses that our normal character doesn't have. Even super mario uses a mushroom /heh. Now tell me, do you know of an rpg that doesn't have buffs? Every class has buffs available for their liking. Enchant poison, Enchant Deadly poison, FCP, Guard, Defender, Over Thrust, Cart Boost, you name it. Those are character's normal buffs. Now for example, I find it very inconvenient because my own buffs weren't enough, so I get even more buffs. Is that so hard to comprehend? Does it cause so much turmoil that the GMs just have to suspend pre-buffing? What age are we in, Chivalry? Do you win with honor in this game? NO, we win because WE UTILIZE EVERY OPTION AVAILABLE TO TURN THE TIDES TO OUR FAVOR. Don't speak to me about legality because I know that I play these characters because of these buffs. It helps me DO "shit" because it is my right to do shit. Call me a noob all you want sir, but the buffs are here to stay. All you do is quote, but you fail to explain your point. If you do not want to be humiliated even more, I suggest you concede. I play for those buffs, and I support this server because of those buffs. If you find buffing so inconvenient, then I'll say it one more time. Find another server where they suspended almost everything because one or two people were complaining about something. It might not be related with this issue, but trust me, all big things came from smaller issues. Let them use SL buffs all they want because its their legal right. Don't be such a dictator and accept the fact that all the good things are free for all. Why not use it for yourself , oh-so-honorable one? You might find it pleasing as well. As for me, the buffs stays. If you can't defend against such a simple idea as mine, then please give up while I'm in the forgiving mood. Just so you know, I won't mind if you kill my Paladin with your awesome WS with complete buffs because ... ....I respect your desire to win. Buffed up? No problem. You know the old saying in RO, "Can't beat 'em? Switch to a new character and try again" Now, if you spam hacks on me... THEN THAT'S IMBALANCED GAMEPLAY. Seriously sir, try harder. All you do is talk about balance, when you yourself are unable to understand that there are several options available for everyone to win, whether is good gears or excellent buffs, AS LONG AS ITS AVAILABLE in game. If you felt that the balance is shifting to their advantage, use your options to gain back your losses. But all I can see is you complaining as your last available option. Srsly, this is a GAME. Don't limit yourself with honorable ideas and just play. Play with every option present and not complain about removing the options that might prove useful even to yourself.