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I've never used to to farm but apparently its really useful. Ask Loli members about it... apparently they use it for that. I know what you're saying Kittie. My response is that my suggestion wont widen any gaps. Those gaps already exist because the buffer is already in the game. People already have the buffs therefore the gap between damage and hp already exist. I just want to make it available for everyone if they wish to spend the tokens. But, one thing you're forgetting is that almost all of the guild buffs can be dispelled. It is very easy to dispel. Also, the buffer not only gives you high offensive capabilities but also gives defensive benefits with the priest and linker buffs. If you're worried about your hp then change your build. With buffs you'll do more damage anyway, get more hp.

Don't new players make money through farming? Well the buffer helps a lot with farming. They can start out farming normally, make some tokens then use some to increase their farming abilities which will help them make more overall money. I don't know what else to tell you when you're question about people without any tokens. They gotta work to earn them. Not much is really given out for free around here...

Well, you guys could put something in that newbie box that new players get. Some sort of character bound buffer hall pass to let them use it a few times so they can level their characters up. Like I said it has farming and I suppose great leveling benefits. Brand new players fresh off the install are going to be behind, there's no way around that. About spreading the gap, what Kittie said, maybe I wasn't clear... The gap already exists. The buffs are already here. If you're against buffs and afraid of extending the gap between health/redux and damage then you're against the guild buffer. I'm just trying to make it accessible to everyone and not just one elitist group. Whats more, for pvp purposes there is always dispel.

Interesting idea! Assumptio should come in at the pvp group. I'd like to hear what others have to say. Thanks for the contribution though.

Agreed. The only people on that ladder that still actually play are Kittie and Drax. Both are semi-inactive and I never see them on TK. That ladders like what... 3-4 years old?

People already have the buffs and that distance already exists, so that's kind of irrelevant Kittie. You're against the entire guild buffer then. I think we need to accept the fact that its here and ingame and just look for ways to make it fair for all players. Also, like I said... this isn't just for pvp. People farm with buffs too, it makes it go much faster.

Thanks! Are all the buffs obtained from the GH maximum lvl? Example: Lvl 10 blessing etc..

Yes, its an inventory item that the NPC will check for before buffing you. Can you tell me the buffs the GH gives and their levels? Or link me to the place where its listed with the level of each buff? Then I'll be able to give a more accurate suggestion on the Universal Buffer buffs. PS: Can someone confirm how many donation tokens for event tokens in a trade? It's been a while since I've traded them.

I don't agree on removing the hide out. But I do agree it needs to be changed. My suggestion: http://www.forsaken-ro.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=20296

Ok, I've been thinking about how this could work for a while. I find the GH (Guild Hideout) buffer a bit too elitist. The server is already highly elitist (catering to the heavily geared/richer crowd). The fact that the npc is a guild thing only makes it more so. Richer players can pool their tokens and buy out the buffer over and over, hell they can do it just out of spite to keep others from having it (I believe Ming and Som have done this in the past). What I'm suggesting is something for the whole server to be able to use. Read what I'm saying carefully. An NPC in Forsaken City or another map that people can warp to that gives similar buffs as the guild buffer. The cost to the player will be X amount of tokens for Y hours of buff service. So, in essence you talk to the npc, buy the buff totem for lets say 3 tokens (amounts can be negotiated) and this totem allows you to be buffed. After, lets say 2-3 hours your totem leaves your inventory and you must repurchase. You could make it cost event tokens, activity tokens, or any combination of the like 10 types of tokens we have. I understand the point of the GH is to drain tokens from the economy, but I feel in its present form its entirely too elitist. The rich get more powerful, and through using it in WoE get richer as well. If this was implemented the GH would have to be changed obviously. Maybe make it a GvG prize? One GvG token to access the GH for your guild for a week or two? This may require making more than one hideout for multiple guilds to occupy, but whats the problem with that? I believe you would just have to make similar NPCs in another spot. GH would still have the advantage of the disguise npc, item previewer, and as well as a great home base for the guild. The universal buff doesn't have to give the same buffs, just something similar. ************************************Update Below************************************* Ok, so I added up the last 3 auctions of GH last bid. The total for 3 auctions is 7897 tokens (This is artificially inflated because Som paid a super high premium to be the first to get it, 4k tokens.) Now, divide this number by 3 for 3 auctions and we get 2632.33 (Remember, still artificially inflated), which is the average token drain from one GH auction over the last 3 auctions. Now we divide the 2632.33 by 336 (the number of hours in two weeks). Thus, on average the GH is draining 7.834 tokens per hour (artificially inflated, thanks Som). This number is only going to go down in time because people aren't going to be paying 4k tokens per auction. So, if we charge 1 Donation token and 2 event tokens for a buff (Event tokens trade at 1 Event for 2 Donations I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) that's a total token value of 5 per hour for unlimited buffs in that hour. This is with only one person, imagine 10-15 people using this npc per hour (If we truly have 250-300 players this is possible) and about 50-60 using it during WoE. Over time I think even if you charged 3 tokens for 2 hours of buff you will drain more tokens than the guild hideout. This will probably even spark pvp more. People can full buff themselves and run in to destroy people... Bringing mid-geared players closer to pvp-able status. It has been brought to my attention that people use the hideout buffs for farming too. This would be great for new players, pay a fee for full buffs for an hour which will greatly increase your farming capacity!

Uhhh, they're already worthless other than for looks? People buy them for looks alone... but i guess buff them the same... I see no harm. Didn't you guys accept a suggestion with something about improving pvp prizes?

Maybe boost the movement speed? Like 30% would be fun LOL. Would make them more useful. I don't think anyone will QQ about the value of their wings being increased.

White Anime Mello:

1. Making the pnuema auto cast would be even worse than click to cast. Most WS are too stupid to actually use the pnuema effectively but if you make it autocast it wont even matter, all ranged fighters would be screwed. One less hotkey for them to worry about. 2. Throw shirken isn't really OP on ninja. It only hits once I believe and the only way it would really kill you is if they had thana or they're using WPE to spam it ridiculously fast. 3. The elite bullets are fine, plus as Seraphine said, they aren't going to source edit the skills. Read the suggestion rules. 4. Again, they aren't going to edit backstab skill source. I can agree on giving them a str based weapon though it would not be better for bowling bash unless the weapon itself boosted BB skill dmg. You do more dmg per dex than per str, so the bow would do more on equal footing. Also, arrows give the ability to switch elements without verters which is another useful detail. The only real use of a str based weapon for my stalker would be for asura build, which is hella fun. I use star glad from time to time and I rape face on my hatreds. They don't need a valk weapon... they just need a hatred reset command.

They can get enough hp as is. You yourself can tank full asura with thana and guild buffs on your assassin. Hell I've seen you tank 2x atk asura pretty easily. With tao/assassin dagger/ vit belts/ 2x firelocks/skolls along with fking set and emp your hp will be ridiculously high. Whats more, assassin has EDP which is the highest damage buff in the game... Sinx DOES have a huge burst damage skill... Ever heard of sonic blow? Sonic does way more than vulcan arrow... plus you have hide/cloak/backslide for evasionary techniques, why would you need to tank as well?

SinX will/does still have more hp per vit capacity than the dex based classes.

Gunslinger damage output only peaks high with guild buffs. Without them its pretty easy to out survive a GS unless you're stupid. Stay out of despo, switch between holy armor and such and get an anti-arrow accessory. They're easily beatable, people just haven't tried enough yet. The only class that I think shouldn't be put back the way it was is sniper. They weren't really "OP" but there was no reason for how much HP they had.

I think we gave up on the "glass cannon" thing the minute they were given a 1 hand gun. GS should be taken back to 90%. Their downfall is that they can't hold many berries... Holding very little berries and having super low hp kinda makes them pointless imo... their damage output isn't THAT amazing.

Honestly, I think everything should be put back the way it was. Classes were steadily becoming more balanced and no ones HP was certainly OP. Now with most classes HP reduced champs can one shot a lot of classes if geared properly. In short I say just put it back to what it was. Yea, it was a bug, but was it a bad bug?

Lycosa is beast. You can also get mice with macro buttons, Razer has them as well

Disagree. Auto link would mess up priest vs reflectors. Sometimes you need to NOT be linked. Plus, the book is useful for other builds than just the HL...

My favorite one so far, good job.