» Pat Posted December 12, 2008 Report Posted December 12, 2008 My piece of advice to everyone: If you see a paladin, get killed first on your current character (sinx, champ), then come back as a Whitesmith while they're expecting you to come back on your previous character. I always lol when they do that.
Levis Posted December 12, 2008 Report Posted December 12, 2008 False. And I don't see why reflect is a problem for most of these champions, considering I know it's possible to survive a full reflect Asura while still killing the paladin (or at least not dying). Show me and then I'll change my opinion, but I've never saw a Champ can kill a Paladin and the champ is still alive. For me impossible.
-Insane- Posted December 12, 2008 Report Posted December 12, 2008 Maya only deflects 50% so it still gives magic casters a chance. Last time I checked my sinx had 100% chance to reflect single target magic. Plus Investigate DOES reflect. I know pain when I see it (500k on a reflect paladin on 2 fbhs 2 str belts champ). Skolls+GT + resists > thana TSS either way. If you learn how to play TSS champs are easier to beat than asura champs. Investigate IS spammable, at least as fast than TSS is. Asura champs are harder to beat than TSS champs. Athena, just because asura can kill weak champs with the champ surviving doesn't mean it applies to pvp/WoE. Just my two cents. tl;dr i want thanatos back kthxbai
Sangreal Posted December 12, 2008 Report Posted December 12, 2008 So that's under 6 people who are no longer overpowered? I think the majority of the server benefited from the nerf. That is what balance is supposed to be. The GM team aims to please everyone, but in all high rate private servers there will always be players who feel short handed (see: Mages). But I think in this case, sacrificing ridiculously high TSS damage for those few people who could achieve it had to be done for the sake of other PvPers. And like other players have suggested, saying the class is 'useless' now is just not true. you aim to please, stop nerfing and keep it the way it was. every class has a downfall champions class downfall is paladin. paladins is sinx or whitesmith sinx is champ or lk lk is sinx etc list goes on, you guys just fucked the champ class the only thing they can do really is put on full asura and even than what can they do once you put on full immunes? since everyone is going mid vit instead of full str. and if everyone can die by a BUFFED character quote the buffed. get buffs your self. i mean just a player vs player no fcp, no buffs, just what the char has to buff it self etc. crono arcanum valor vortex are the only 3 i see that are actually good that actually pvp /endrant win ;)
Eregon Posted December 12, 2008 Report Posted December 12, 2008 And what pray-tell are the strong classes against Prof/High Wiz? All of them? Yeah that's fair.
kuoch Posted December 13, 2008 Report Posted December 13, 2008 That's just plain wrong. I'll fight any champ. At any time. Good or not. The thing was just the thana. Making the worst noob a b*tch to kill. If 'people' can't play a class, without having absolutely overpowered damage, then don't play it. but i like the easy way around. just slap on a thana tss i win. nice and easy. i speed asuras alot, and that doesn't always work all the time. because now everyone go double immunes against champs, and full asura doesn't kill at most.
Sangreal Posted December 13, 2008 Report Posted December 13, 2008 If you had read anything I said and thought about anyone but yourself, things were changed to benefit the MAJORITY of the server. Not the ~6 players who were overpowered. And champion class is HARDLY useless without Thanatos. God forbid it be too hard to kill someone. If you can't play champ as all other players using champ class have had to play it because they have never had a thana (you know, 95% of the server), just get some EDP and slap that thana on your sinx. Hell, afraid of reflect? Put it in a katar. Grimtooth them. Oh hey, you know what else would hurt? Thanatos Arrow Vulcan. Thanatos Double Strafe. Thanatos High Cart Speed Ram. Thanatos Throw Fuuma Shuriken (I said it!). Instead of complaining about the nerf, find a way to work around it. That's all you can do. This is a highrate where 200k+ HP can be achieved by just about anyone. 'One-shotting' someone won't always be easy, and it shouldn't be. Allowing one class (not even one class- more like only a few people) to have two skills that are 'one-shots' just isn't fair to those classes that don't even have one (e.g. every other class). thus you prove my point. no point in nerfing thanatos for champs ;) if you can find your way around it. couldn't have said it better my self.
Dr. Tran Posted December 13, 2008 Report Posted December 13, 2008 lololol thanatos. hai pete, guess wut i did, i made a thana sinx with asura LOL.
Sangreal Posted December 13, 2008 Report Posted December 13, 2008 Uhh.. no. My point is that you need to get around the fact that you and those select few won't be overpowered anymore and unless you make the decision to work around the nerf you will just be stuck complaining forever. But hey, if whining and threatening to quit because of it suits you, I think that is your deal. The GM team has to take into consideration the entire server, not just you. i didn't quit because of the thana nerf i quit because i have a life thanks. and no i'm saying that if you nerf the thanatos on champs. nerf it on sinxs so the damage modifiers on sinx cards on the 2nd hand don't work to amplify it. nerf it on any and all classes especially whitesmith vs paladins makes it unfair even if they wear skolls. :) and by the way athena i'm not having a personal vendetta so don't bring it to that. you're posing as a bad GM already by pointing out shit about others. you need to re-evaluate how you see your self as a GM thanks.
Dr. Tran Posted December 13, 2008 Report Posted December 13, 2008 damn it pete go on msn o btw thana sinx w/ asura = rape.
Phenomenon Posted December 13, 2008 Report Posted December 13, 2008 I think you're being unjust with Athena by saying she's 'pointing out shit' about others, she's just reinforcing the decision and action Genesis took by nerfing Thanatos Cards with the Champion class. Like Athena stated before, Champions have something no other class has in it's skill tree, a skill that does damage based upon Def (unlike some other classes that have skills based upon Vit; ei. Creators), and even though it's damage can be reflected, it's still a decent skill that can be spammed and used to kill effectively. And nerfing Thanatos on other classes would accomplish very little compared to it's nerf on the Champion class, a Thanatos Champion was the most over-powered thing ever on forsaken RO. 9/10 times, if you're wearing skolls, a full-asura champion would One-HIT K.O. you with asura. I personally like Genesis' decision to nerf the card with the Champion class and commend Athena for defending his decision.
Sangreal Posted December 13, 2008 Report Posted December 13, 2008 I think you're being unjust with Athena by saying she's 'pointing out shit' about others, she's just reinforcing the decision and action Genesis took by nerfing Thanatos Cards with the Champion class. Like Athena stated before, Champions have something no other class has in it's skill tree, a skill that does damage based upon Def (unlike some other classes that have skills based upon Vit; ei. Creators), and even though it's damage can be reflect, it's still a decent skill that can be spammed and used to kill effectively. And nerfing Thanatos on other classes would accomplish very little, a Thanatos Champion was the most over-powered thing ever on forsaken RO, 9/10 times, if you're wearing skolls, a full-asura champion would One-HIT K.O. you with asura. I personally like Genesis' decision to nerf the card with the Champion class and commend Athena for defending his decision. lol john i figured out who athena was thanks to this post. anyway i'm not saying she's wrong but pointing things out like saying how you can wear double skolls reduces thana damage. wear a skoll/ray ;D you won't die, no one has to go full str. this is why it's unfair people just complain that champs are to good because of the few good champs out there. i still think sinxs are more unfair.
Genesis Posted December 13, 2008 Report Posted December 13, 2008 i didn't quit because of the thana nerf i quit because i have a life thanks. and no i'm saying that if you nerf the thanatos on champs. nerf it on sinxs so the damage modifiers on sinx cards on the 2nd hand don't work to amplify it. nerf it on any and all classes especially whitesmith vs paladins makes it unfair even if they wear skolls. :) and by the way athena i'm not having a personal vendetta so don't bring it to that. you're posing as a bad GM already by pointing out shit about others. you need to re-evaluate how you see your self as a GM thanks. "lol aight peace thanatos card nerf just made it no fun " http://forum.forsaken-ro.net/index.php?showtopic=8900
Sangreal Posted December 13, 2008 Report Posted December 13, 2008 "lol aight peace thanatos card nerf just made it no fun " http://forum.forsaken-ro.net/index.php?showtopic=8900 did i quit because of it? ;) nah genesis stop nut hugging your GM's just because there nut hugging you. i didn't take any personal shots so i think you should set an example by not taking personal shots either. and yes i did quit, but the thanatos nerf also made it no fun. and i quit BEFORE the thanatos nerf i just decided to post about it to let everyone know ;) so stop bringing it up.
Genesis Posted December 13, 2008 Report Posted December 13, 2008 Noone is nut hugging anyone here, I'm simply stating the fact that in your "goodbye" topic you said the following: "lol aight peace thanatos card nerf just made it no fun " Which clearly indicates that you "quit" because of the Thanatos Card change; yet you are here posting about it on the forums. Since you are associating yourself with the ForsakenRO Forums clearly; you are also associating yourself with the server; therefore you have not quit. Therefore the assumption that you had no intention of quitting and just thought saying "thanatos card nerf just made it no fun" would get us to change our mind ( which it hasn't) wouldn't be utterly incorrect. I wouldn't even be posting in the rant section, but your passive aggressive posts are disturbing. *Edit* Forgot to mention, if you have a problem with a GM you may PM me ( quickest reply) Alex or Zeit ( once he gets his new computer), posting about the issue is not okay. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter as well as in Improving our humble server. Have a great Moorning/Afternoon/Night. *Edit2* Regarding Thanatos, its effect was given a boost from what the description says; with proper equips it can do 100k damage ( this includes all hits), and is very much spamable.
Sangreal Posted December 13, 2008 Report Posted December 13, 2008 Noone is nut hugging anyone here, I'm simply stating the fact that in your "goodbye" topic you said the following: "lol aight peace thanatos card nerf just made it no fun " Which clearly indicates that you "quit" because of the Thanatos Card change; yet you are here posting about it on the forums. Since you are associating yourself with the ForsakenRO Forums clearly; you are also associating yourself with the server; therefore you have not quit. Therefore the assumption that you had no intention of quitting and just thought saying "thanatos card nerf just made it no fun" would get us to change our mind ( which it hasn't) wouldn't be utterly incorrect. I wouldn't even be posting in the rant section, but your passive aggressive posts are disturbing. *Edit* Forgot to mention, if you have a problem with a GM you may PM me ( quickest reply) Alex or Zeit ( once he gets his new computer), posting about the issue is not okay. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter as well as in Improving our humble server. Have a great Moorning/Afternoon/Night. *Edit2* Regarding Thanatos, its effect was given a boost from what the description says; with proper equips it can do 100k damage ( this includes all hits), and is very much spamable. i quit because of my personal life issues, just because i don't type all proper and add in huge amounts of description, doesn't mean i quit because of the thanatos card effect being nerfed. so stop making stupid assumptions. Here to clarify I QUIT BECAUSE OF MY PERSONAL LIFE MATTERS, BUT HAVING THE THANATOS CARD NERFED FOR THE CHAMPION CLASS JUST MADE IT NO FUN. I DID NOT QUIT BECAUSE OF THE THANATOS CARD BUT I DID QUIT BECAUSE OF THINGS HAPPENING WITH MY REAL LIFE SITUATIONS. does that clear it up for you genesis? jeez. anyway i'm saying it's unfair as to why it got nerfed every class has a down fall. you just have to know what and how to play them.
Genesis Posted December 13, 2008 Report Posted December 13, 2008 You do what you have to do bud, I didn't post here to pick a fight with you at all; I think we are both old/mature enough to comprehend that doing so is just idiotic. From my point of view, it seemed as if you "quit" because of the Thanatos Effect then just kept whining about it while trying to start problems with Athena in this topic; we are all players of the same server here; all after one cause ( the improvement of our server) I might be wrong in my previous remature assumption ( as I said before, it was only an assumption) but I believe other players might have felt and understood it the same way I did thus my post(s), if I was wrong I apologize, hope you patch up your personal life and visit us soon, cheers. =]
Sangreal Posted December 13, 2008 Report Posted December 13, 2008 You do what you have to do bud, I didn't post here to pick a fight with you at all; I think we are both old/mature enough to comprehend that doing so is just idiotic. From my point of view, it seemed as if you "quit" because of the Thanatos Effect then just kept whining about it while trying to start problems with Athena in this topic; we are all players of the same server here; all after one cause ( the improvement of our server) I might be wrong in my previous remature assumption ( as I said before, it was only an assumption) but I believe other players might have felt and understood it the same way I did thus my post(s), if I was wrong I apologize, hope you patch up your personal life and visit us soon, cheers. =] Like I said before I wasn't taking any personal shots at anyone until Athena did so first. I didn't want to cause no big drama bullshit. But like I said before I still believe it to be unfair because of the Champion class having 2 Nemesis's Sinx and Paladin. I'm not saying what you did was wrong but I am saying in my own mind that what you did to nerf a class was unfair. If you decide to nerf one class than nerf the others as well to even out the playing field. Just because a few good select players are extremely well proficient at one class doesn't mean there proficient at others. Time + Practice = Results. And it shows when you constantly practice to be the best. Each class has it's set backs and has it's pro's but just nerfing a class because a few people say the class is over-powered is a huge over-statement of things. Blowing things out of proportion isn't going to make things better. Instead like Smooth said him self. He doesn't understand why people can't just fight back against Champions. He can survive, you just have to know the game better. ;)
Anarii Posted December 13, 2008 Report Posted December 13, 2008 If you decide to nerf one class than nerf the others as well to even out the playing field. but just nerfing a class because a few people say the class is over-powered is a huge over-statement of things 1. it wasn't even to start out with (or so the community says) 2. try, most of the server? and no, i don't have a side on this just stating the facts
-Insane- Posted December 13, 2008 Report Posted December 13, 2008 o btw thana sinx w/ asura = rape. >thana sinx w/ asura >thana w/ asura >thana asura >asura Stupid just got a whole new level.
Defiance Posted December 13, 2008 Report Posted December 13, 2008 Again, this argument will never end. 1. Thana TSS rapes 90-95% of the server. 2. Thana TSS still rapes 60-70% of Middle Class players, or those who achieved some sort of degree in power (have 1-3 Fsets and some of the works, but still incomplete) 3. Thana TSS cannot rape Middle Class to Senior Level Paladins and Senior/Pro level players which have Yggs to burn and adequate equips. 4. Middle to Senior level players are 20-30% of the server. 40% are newbies, and the rest are either vendors, or casual players. 5. If a Thana TSS champ encounters Middle level players to Newbie players (60-70% of the server), their victory is 90-99% guaranteed). 6. If a Thana TSS champ encounters a Middle level to pro level sinx, their victory is only 60-80%, depending on the player's skill level, sometimes less. 7. Thanatos gets nerfed on Champs only. 8. Middle to Newbie players now have a 10-50% survival rate vs champs, and less vs full asura. 6. Middle to Pro Players now have a set 50% survival rate vs. Champs, sometimes less depends on skill level and equips. 9. If Player skill > champ, then the champ has no more chances of winning. But out of formality, I'll leave a decent 1-10% chance. 10. Paladins that survive Thana TSS falls flat vs 2 Merchant-branch class and a mix of sinx or champ. 11. 300 vit Paladins are fail (see figure 11) 12. ??? 13. Profit. /tl;dr. You get my point. /heh
-Insane- Posted December 13, 2008 Report Posted December 13, 2008 I don't get point 11 sorry. Btw, am I middle class or newbie? QQ
Eregon Posted December 13, 2008 Report Posted December 13, 2008 I consider myself a halfway decent professor, but my skill level doesn't mean jack to one card. At least champs can still do damage to their opponents. Just keep your distance and spam TSS long enough and you can win. It's not as if pallys have infinite berries. Also, the fact that they have TWO nemesis means NOTHING. Oh hey I have to try harder to kill two classes on my champ. If you want honest unfair fighting, play a magic class. Play one and go into pvp and just watch how many people slap on GTB, causing you to MISS. There is no massive reduction of damage or anything to still give you a chance. You just miss entirely. Try that out for about a week and you'll know honest unfairness in pvp.
