keane5956 Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 what should be the grounds for nerfing a class? Should it be like, if one class cant kill it? or if one class cant win against it? IN THE FIRST PLACE, The new items were CREATED THAT WAY. And we donated so as to get them. Isn't it unfair that when after spending real money for it, its gonna be nerfed JUST BECAUSE someone CANNOT FIGHT IT? I strongly suggest, that instead of nerfing, why not just buff the other classes? That way the MARKET in THIS SERVER won't be AS AWFULLY DEAD AS IT IS NOW. I love playing in this server, but the nerfs are REALLY DISCOURAGING and DISAPPOINTING. I HOPE YOU GUYS CONSIDER ASKING THE PLAYERS WHO USE THE REPORTED CLASS BEFORE NERFING IT COZ ITS REALLY UNFAIR AND ONE-SIDED TO JUST NERF LIKE THAT. Quote
c0okiee Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 The term nerf is so biased really, according to u its making a class utterly useless and non competitive and according to me and other players who have been playing fro for a while now understand that it means balancing a class so that other classes may compete too and equals the scales. When u say new items were created that way that suggests that these items have room for adjustment/improvement since it still needs a test and few items might prove unbalanced(stronger or weaker),so balancing them isn't a crime lol *Someone cannot fight it?* dude its like u want to 1 shot ppl and then ask us to stand there and take it like a man lol Buff other classes? u might be right on this part sure few classes might still need work and improvement but i dont see how its related to ur topic Market wont be dead? dude market is a supply and demand based thing new stuff comes ppl want it, new stuff is good or in ur case *OP* then yea everyone wants it. Then new stuff gets ballanced or in ur case*nerfed* ppl just rush sell that stuff off If u love playing the class not for the dmg but purely the gameplay and u seriously find some thing wrong feel free to make ur suggetion on forums for it.IF u make a valid point ppl will support u dude everyone has their own point of view i understand ur issue being a new player ur trying new items out. But u seem to play only classes that have this term *op* plastered on it lol play a normal class which is already balanced maybe and try not to complain about items being *nerfed* .IF u dont want them *nerfed* then explain why it doesnt need to be with a valid point on forums before its *nerfed* not after because many ppl have already given valid points and the gms felt the need to balance it as well Regards with love <3 Quote
lord_dhan26 Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Specter said: What got nerfed now? its not ninja.. just conducted dmg test and still its HP - 50, 000 @keane I think you are talking about economy.. hmmm... its the collateral dmg caused by the Nerfing of certain classes or items of classes. I think the NERFING is being done to balance things out. It is hard to handle the prices because the players are making the prices.. so when they hear stuffs like nerfing... they'll lower the price of that certain class.. Like for example... the currently fixed (not nerfed) Brutal Helms for Sinx Effect which is the lvl 5 bash... it is stated that it should enable the use of LVL 5 bash, but the former effect was enabling lvl 10 for sinx... Back to economy. Due to that fix.. the price of Sinx C ring and odex went down... Although no one(even the GMs) can do anything about it. It is the Free-will of the players to Buy or Sell in a certain amount of tokens.... I feel you man but... i think we should just go with the flow... Quote
p3wp3w Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 it's hard to accept that "nerfing" is now the new terminology for "balancing" but sooner or later, you'll get used to it. but nothing to worry actually, that's why this forum has been made, so that all the players can participate on suggesting and giving their opinions on such things. Quote
Yatogami Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 *coughs* r1p GS guardian *coughs* *coughs* Quote
onetwothree Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 Oh yeah IT IS NERFING COOKIE SO YOU dont have to die. so please stop being the representative of fRO because you're not. how long has the gring's been in effect? and only nerf it when you die to it several times? or when players already donated thousands collectively? the NERFING is selfish. The same thing happened with the bash type sinx. I'm responding to this thread because this is what's going to happen to the taekwon/sg/mamonite builds. WHY? because COOKIE or OATHKEEPER or whoever has more influence SAID SO. If you are going to release a build then test it first and see if it's OP or not. Players/Donators like me do not have to suffer the consequences of your miscalculations with the builds. a full set is almost $100 and farmers/ringmakers spend a significant amount of time so they can get the gear they need. WE WORKED HARD FOR THE GOOD STUFF. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. As for the SG nerf you were proudly saying you were going to asf for (Looking at you Cookie) If you truly know how SG's work youd realize their disadvantages. You just said it yourself in front of other players, that youre going to ask for SGs to get nerfed just because you couldnt handle it. Do you even know how SG's work? they have SO MANY disadvantages. It's the same as your WSG's napalm vulcan but you dont see us crying about it when we die right? you'll just say it's easy to counter because "YEAH YOU CAN USE GTB EASILY" - it's same with SG's -EVERY CLASS CAN BE COUNTERED. I can tell you SO MANY different ways to counter SG's and NERFING is NOT one of them. this is getting sad- A player wins = he cheats A player wins = overpowered build/no skill A player wins = bn, autopot blah blah OMFG I CANT HANDLE HIM NERF! Quote
keane5956 Posted October 26, 2016 Author Report Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) @cookie - i dont see your point when you said new items are still open for adjustments and tests. before it should be released, ALL TESTS must have been done. Would you sell a cellphone without testing if it even works? Makes sense? You boastfully tell people you're gonna have a specific class nerfed, and yes you yourself use the term "nerf" as always. My point is, we spend money to get those "NEW ITEMS". LIKE the "G" rings for which you specifically called the Star Glad "G" OP and then you want it nerfed? What about the people who spent money for it? Like me and a few donators i know who use the same class? Its like selling a product without quality. People buy stuff for it's quality, why take the quality back or take a part of it? Get my point? Instead of taking the quality of the item, why not GIVE quality to the others so as to make it "BALANCED" if thats what you call it? Everytime you say a class will be NERFED (thats the term you always use) it happens. Are you some GM or something? Are you a Donator? I also am, my friends are too. You're not the only donator here who has the right to make a point. We spent money for this, that's the point. Its so UNFAIR that you nerf just because of your opinion. If you really are a skilled player you'll KNOW how to counter things YOU CALL "OP". The sad thing is, you're not. I tell you, there are a number of GOOD PLAYERS i cannot defeat using a StarGlad G set. So i don't think it is OP. Besides, it can only do good damage on 3 classes which I DONT THINK YOU EVEN KNOW. Edited October 26, 2016 by keane5956 Quote
onetwothree Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 19 hours ago, c0okiee said: The term nerf is so biased really, according to u its making a class utterly useless and non competitive and according to me and other players who have been playing fro for a while now understand that it means balancing a class so that other classes may compete too and equals the scales. When u say new items were created that way that suggests that these items have room for adjustment/improvement since it still needs a test and few items might prove unbalanced(stronger or weaker),so balancing them isn't a crime lol *Someone cannot fight it?* dude its like u want to 1 shot ppl and then ask us to stand there and take it like a man lol Buff other classes? u might be right on this part sure few classes might still need work and improvement but i dont see how its related to ur topic Market wont be dead? dude market is a supply and demand based thing new stuff comes ppl want it, new stuff is good or in ur case *OP* then yea everyone wants it. Then new stuff gets ballanced or in ur case*nerfed* ppl just rush sell that stuff off If u love playing the class not for the dmg but purely the gameplay and u seriously find some thing wrong feel free to make ur suggetion on forums for it.IF u make a valid point ppl will support u dude everyone has their own point of view i understand ur issue being a new player ur trying new items out. But u seem to play only classes that have this term *op* plastered on it lol play a normal class which is already balanced maybe and try not to complain about items being *nerfed* .IF u dont want them *nerfed* then explain why it doesnt need to be with a valid point on forums before its *nerfed* not after because many ppl have already given valid points and the gms felt the need to balance it as well Regards with love <3 Get a grip of the situation Cookie. Do you think your guild is winning because you have a group of really skillful players? you have a bunch of pallies in extreme autopots, a few Ninjas and Champs who are followed by Auto Devs and MORE. but do you see us crying for nerfs or bans? NO. We analyze the game, we come up with builds, we find ways to get items. We look for ways to counter. you won't see us cry here for NERFS or BANS. Quote
c0okiee Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 i agree on the part that yes this server most ppl just rely on hax and its disturbing but i dont see why ur linking me in specific to this topic or why im being accused of anything And ive never cried about having any class nerfed lol i just give my suggetions and see if people aprove it or agree with me and if so GM's have the say wether or not to nerf it. I dont understand ur personal hate toward me or why for some reason u think im a GM or sm1 important for the Fro team. I have never given u reason or said anything to make u believe so For the contrary i havent even spoken about woe or anything related to it. Uve got issues with warsong then fine....bro but it has nothing to do with me.. get off my ass plz listen im no haxor ill take a challenge with u anyday u or ur friend counts who many ppl have allready complained about btw. Ask ppl i die more then anyone but ur friend counts can tank 5 of my frnds and still stay alive lol and as u quoted 23 minutes ago, onetwothree said: Do you think your guild is winning because you have a group of really skillful players? you have a bunch of pallies in extreme autopots guess ur friend is like a pally eh? before u say he doesnt plzzzz id like to see it in video Quote
c0okiee Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 i never had personal reason to be mean or anything if for some reason this is all my fault then by all means hate me or accuse me of whatever u please i apologize if i was rude/mean to u or if ive killed u in pvp or anything its just pvp But dont insult me for expressing myself on forums lol Quote
keane5956 Posted October 26, 2016 Author Report Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) If you die so many times its ur problem, people don't have to be like you just to be "non haxer", if thats what you call me. Im not the only one who can battle with 5 people. You probably CAN'T, but there are certain skilled people WHO CAN. NOT JUST ME. Are you always the basis of what's normal and what isn't? You're not even a pro to be one. dude stop it. PLEASE. LOL Edited October 26, 2016 by keane5956 Quote
c0okiee Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 46 minutes ago, keane5956 said: @cookie - i dont see your point when you said new items are still open for adjustments and tests. before it should be released, ALL TESTS must have been done. Would you sell a cellphone without testing if it even works? Makes sense? You boastfully tell people you're gonna have a specific class nerfed, and yes you yourself use the term "nerf" as always. My point is, we spend money to get those "NEW ITEMS". LIKE the "G" rings for which you specifically called the Star Glad "G" OP and then you want it nerfed? What about the people who spent money for it? Like me and a few donators i know who use the same class? Its like selling a product without quality. People buy stuff for it's quality, why take the quality back or take a part of it? Get my point? Instead of taking the quality of the item, why not GIVE quality to the others so as to make it "BALANCED" if thats what you call it? Everytime you say a class will be NERFED (thats the term you always use) it happens. Are you some GM or something? Are you a Donator? I also am, my friends are too. You're not the only donator here who has the right to make a point. We spent money for this, that's the point. Its so UNFAIR that you nerf just because of your opinion. If you really are a skilled player you'll KNOW how to counter things YOU CALL "OP". The sad thing is, you're not. I tell you, there are a number of GOOD PLAYERS i cannot defeat using a StarGlad G set. So i don't think it is OP. Besides, it can only do good damage on 3 classes which I DONT THINK YOU EVEN KNOW. this shld be directed at a GM lol dunno why im even being targeted 1.Yes im a donator too i make rings and test them ,Yes few rings suck for example SN B ring its really kinda w/e but i collect stuff so its k do i cry bout it? no lol(ok maybe a little but inside lol) 2.Stop bitching plz get over it im trying to express my point of view u do the same st4hp hating on me lol 3.Know how to counter 100k*5 + dmg ok sir i will buy more HP ty and btw 100k is the least dmg i saw with hatred skill lol and that was when i wore angelring and im an lk with 450k hp lol (1 hit K.O Ftw) Quote
onetwothree Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 15 hours ago, c0okiee said: i never had personal reason to be mean or anything if for some reason this is all my fault then by all means hate me or accuse me of whatever u please i apologize if i was rude/mean to u or if ive killed u in pvp or anything its just pvp But dont insult me for expressing myself on forums lol not really insulting you, just trying to make you understand that the NERFing term isn't biased. It is what it is. This really all started when you were on your LK and you kept on dying to a starglad. You had SG hatred ON that time (Im sure you know what that is) Then you said to "Keep on doing it (keep killing you)" and that youd keep on recording so you can ask the for it to get nerfed. What is with this NERF defense? this is the 2nd time it's happened to us (prev was sinx) so you understand the aggression right? so what? every class/build we try to expore/make stronger will eventually get nerfed? This is more of a prevention. not tryin to hate on you but the "nerf attitude" is getting annoying. Quote
c0okiee Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, keane5956 said: If you die so many times, people don't have to be like you just to be "non haxer", if thats what you call me. Are you always the basis? you're not even a pro. dude stop it. LOL again i never said im pro dude ffs stop bitching lol im just saying u arent :) Quote
keane5956 Posted October 26, 2016 Author Report Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, c0okiee said: this shld be directed at a GM lol dunno why im even being targeted 1.Yes im a donator too i make rings and test them ,Yes few rings suck for example SN B ring its really kinda w/e but i collect stuff so its k do i cry bout it? no lol(ok maybe a little but inside lol) 2.Stop bitching plz get over it im trying to express my point of view u do the same st4hp hating on me lol 3.Know how to counter 100k*5 + dmg ok sir i will buy more HP ty and btw 100k is the least dmg i saw with hatred skill lol and that was when i wore angelring and im an lk with 450k hp lol (1 hit K.O Ftw) When a starglad with the capability to use 7 elements does great damage on the element you are on, its not our problem. LEARN HOW TO SHIFT. ANGELING is kinda common and predictable. most people would use it against a star glad. Edited October 26, 2016 by keane5956 Quote
onetwothree Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 15 hours ago, c0okiee said: this shld be directed at a GM lol dunno why im even being targeted 1.Yes im a donator too i make rings and test them ,Yes few rings suck for example SN B ring its really kinda w/e but i collect stuff so its k do i cry bout it? no lol(ok maybe a little but inside lol) 2.Stop bitching plz get over it im trying to express my point of view u do the same st4hp hating on me lol 3.Know how to counter 100k*5 + dmg ok sir i will buy more HP ty and btw 100k is the least dmg i saw with hatred skill lol and that was when i wore angelring and im an lk with 450k hp lol (1 hit K.O Ftw) do we really have to tell you how to counter it or can you just explore it yourself? You dont see us asking you how to counter your napalm vulcan and cart term during woe. you have SEVERAL CLASSES. that's your clue already. same reason why I sometimes use my other classes to defeat someone when I cant defeat it with my sg. the only time SG's can own is with a devo. and even with devo it can easily be countered. Quote
onetwothree Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 15 hours ago, c0okiee said: i agree on the part that yes this server most ppl just rely on hax and its disturbing but i dont see why ur linking me in specific to this topic or why im being accused of anything And ive never cried about having any class nerfed lol i just give my suggetions and see if people aprove it or agree with me and if so GM's have the say wether or not to nerf it. I dont understand ur personal hate toward me or why for some reason u think im a GM or sm1 important for the Fro team. I have never given u reason or said anything to make u believe so For the contrary i havent even spoken about woe or anything related to it. Uve got issues with warsong then fine....bro but it has nothing to do with me.. get off my ass plz listen im no haxor ill take a challenge with u anyday u or ur friend counts who many ppl have allready complained about btw. Ask ppl i die more then anyone but ur friend counts can tank 5 of my frnds and still stay alive lol and as u quoted guess ur friend is like a pally eh? before u say he doesnt plzzzz id like to see it in video are you serious? ofcourse they will agree with you because they dont have a SG set. or a sinx bash set for that matter. it's rather easier to get rid of something you dont have than to have something youve worked hard for to just be taken away from you. for as long as you keep pushing for nerfs instead of buffs -this will be an endless argument. Quote
c0okiee Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 1 minute ago, onetwothree said: not really insulting you, just trying to make you understand that the NERFing term isn't biased. It is what it is. This really all started when you were on your LK and you kept on dying to a starglad. You had SG hatred ON that time (Im sure you know what that is) Then you said to "Keep on doing it (keep killing you)" and that youd keep on recording so you can ask the for it to get nerfed. What is with this NERF defense? this is the 2nd time it's happened to us (prev was sinx) so you understand the aggression right? so what? every class/build we try to expore/make stronger will eventually get nerfed? This is more of a prevention. not tryin to hate on you but the "nerf attitude" is getting annoying. Sg's can do *3 dmg with the skill hatred and u can hatred 3 classes why thing SG G Ring needs a bit change why? caz of ur proc of 2% chance for 700% dmg counter kick thats ur 1 hit ko skill btw ur normal combo can kill me with ur hatred and My LK has 450k hp i barely survive ur combo on normal damage immagine the Proc rate dmg i cldnt survive ever... NOw consider this in any situation in this game do u see any class surviving this? or does it seem fair for any class lol agreed SG's need Pally support but dude there aint a single class that can survive this ring without a pally lol FYI u were fighting me with max 3-4 ppl in ur party? immagine fighting me with 20 in party lol from Kihop skill And dont say get a pally for my lk now ill find a rope and hang myself lol Quote
keane5956 Posted October 26, 2016 Author Report Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, c0okiee said: Sg's can do *3 dmg with the skill hatred and u can hatred 3 classes why thing SG G Ring needs a bit change why? caz of ur proc of 2% chance for 700% dmg counter kick thats ur 1 hit ko skill btw ur normal combo can kill me with ur hatred and My LK has 450k hp i barely survive ur combo on normal damage immagine the Proc rate dmg i cldnt survive ever... NOw consider this in any situation in this game do u see any class surviving this? or does it seem fair for any class lol agreed SG's need Pally support but dude there aint a single class that can survive this ring without a pally lol FYI u were fighting me with max 3-4 ppl in ur party? immagine fighting me with 20 in party lol from Kihop skill And dont say get a pally for my lk now ill find a rope and hang myself lol what about NINJAS??? ever imagined how a battle between an SG and a NINJA will go? I dont think star glads can win against ninjas. DUDE THINK Edited October 26, 2016 by keane5956 Quote
c0okiee Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 Just now, onetwothree said: are you serious? ofcourse they will agree with you because they dont have a SG set. or a sinx bash set for that matter. it's rather easier to get rid of something you dont have than to have something youve worked hard for to just be taken away from you. for as long as you keep pushing for nerfs instead of buffs -this will be an endless argument. i had a sinx bash set yet i agreed for its immense dmg burst was too high with hp buff, Bio c Set yes i have and the dmg is ihigh again Sg i had a bless ring for a brief while that byitself felt insane for me but i suck at the combo so i gave up U say buff chars Buff what class how and how to ballance how much is enough this was all done over the years span in fro so instead of buffing other classes they are bringing ur classes to that level it isnt wrong Quote
c0okiee Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 ninja? seriously? there is a 70 post long discussion on it go cry there ur the one who started this topic and made it exclusively to target me for some reason And Yes id love a ninja balance too infact ive given many suggestions there over and over again so stop ur bitching and be a part of the community as well and go give ur suggestion to balance it as well Quote
onetwothree Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 15 hours ago, c0okiee said: Sg's can do *3 dmg with the skill hatred and u can hatred 3 classes why thing SG G Ring needs a bit change why? caz of ur proc of 2% chance for 700% dmg counter kick thats ur 1 hit ko skill btw ur normal combo can kill me with ur hatred and My LK has 450k hp i barely survive ur combo on normal damage immagine the Proc rate dmg i cldnt survive ever... NOw consider this in any situation in this game do u see any class surviving this? or does it seem fair for any class lol agreed SG's need Pally support but dude there aint a single class that can survive this ring without a pally lol FYI u were fighting me with max 3-4 ppl in ur party? immagine fighting me with 20 in party lol from Kihop skill And dont say get a pally for my lk now ill find a rope and hang myself lol 12 oh god. please go to ratemyserver and fkin read all the cards effects and sg skills. any class surviving? YES. Pallies can kill sg's easily. Taekwon's can outsmart SG's. Creators can outsmart SG's too. LK's can also easily kill SG's. and you're saying you know so much. again, get a grip. Quote
keane5956 Posted October 26, 2016 Author Report Posted October 26, 2016 1 minute ago, c0okiee said: i had a sinx bash set yet i agreed for its immense dmg burst was too high with hp buff, Bio c Set yes i have and the dmg is ihigh again Sg i had a bless ring for a brief while that byitself felt insane for me but i suck at the combo so i gave up U say buff chars Buff what class how and how to ballance how much is enough this was all done over the years span in fro so instead of buffing other classes they are bringing ur classes to that level it isnt wrong You're skipping the point. You do not take something back when it has been given. The ITEM was made that way. The ITEM HAS A PRICE. PEOPLE PAY TO GET IT. WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO SPENT FOR IT AFTER THE NERF? Quote
keane5956 Posted October 26, 2016 Author Report Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) 8 minutes ago, c0okiee said: ninja? seriously? there is a 70 post long discussion on it go cry there ur the one who started this topic and made it exclusively to target me for some reason And Yes id love a ninja balance too infact ive given many suggestions there over and over again so stop ur bitching and be a part of the community as well and go give ur suggestion to balance it as well EXCUSE ME?? IN WHICH PART OF MY "1st" POST DID I SPECIFY and target YOU???? am i to believe that Cookie is ASSUMING? Edited October 26, 2016 by keane5956 Quote
