3Rd P.p.

[Specter]

I'm tired of the lack of discouragement there is on 3rd party programs in the server, NOBODY gets banned, all the responses you get from the team is "Record a video yourself and we'll take care of it". I've heard lots of times of people reporting suspicious activity and nobody's ever punished for it

There should be a specific group of GMs for this, searching whenever they have time any suspicious player and recording them. I don't say people should get permanently banned... because we all know that would cause an outrage since more than 80% of the players use something. But a weekly ban at least, or 2 weeks ban as a warning, and then permanent ban as a 2nd offense, so that it makes those who get banned think twice about cheating again next time. I wish people stop using this things and ABUSING them too, because sometimes its ridiculous, you see people in pvp room with 3 autofollow pallies that never die, come on guys.

Im just talking as one of the few honest players left here, that is called cheater whenever someone can't kill me and im 100% legit, I even got acussed by a GM who had no proof while I was asking ONCE MORE to give this problem some attention. There's so many people frustrated about this, some just quit, others start cheating too because "everyone does, so why not?" and the vicious circle continues.

All this cheating enforces the fact that the guild with the highest ammount of players will always be the strongest, skills and mechanics of the game are pretty much useless, strenght means numbers nowadays, not quality players. Back then you could take out big guilds with a small group of people, but now it's nearly impossible because people barely die and all they're doing is scratching their bellies while a program does 80% of the job.

This might be an useless post once again, or it will get ignored, or they will say "st0p cry1n meing u jus a nub".

That's all, hope some people take the time to read and comment their opinions.

[Inflatable Sheep]

I agree cheating of all kinds has become a rampant problem on this server over the last couple of years, and anyone who spends more than five minutes in fild can attest to that if they're being honest. A GM 'police force' of sorts sounds a little authoritarian to me, but I guess that's the level it's come to... It also opens up a greater potential for bias one way or the other, where certain GM's would only punish one group of players while turning a blind eye to their friends, and vice versa.

I know Genesis doesn't want to implement any sort of anti-cheat software (like Harmony) because of the many other problems it brings up, and in most cases is easy enough to bypass -- but I feel like something like that would at least weed out a lot of cheaters, and make the ones left behind easier to spot.

Something definitely needs to be done, I just can't exactly say what would solve the problem without collapsing the server at this point.

[leroywee]

I just can't exactly say what would solve the problem

lol

[Specter]

lol

"Something definitely needs to be done, I just can't exactly say what would solve the problem without collapsing the server at this point."

I don't see the fun part of that quote honestly, it's the truth. But thanks for your very detailed opinion and concern leroywee.

Edited October 8, 2016 by Specter

[Master.]

I feel the same as you, im tired about this... its not only 3rd programs. Autopoots or sprite edit maybe macro programs like auto asuras spam and shit. I see a lot of player cheating with this, 2 clik and you get massive spam pls..... s0ch m3ch4n1cs

[TheScientist]

lol the best part is when they dare you to report them or when they rage out when you call them out on it.

Would be nice if GMs took action on this cause it is rampant. I know for a fact that some players are quitting for this reason. Really good points bass, just reading this makes me glad to know that some people still care

[Danger]

Hello

I understand your concerns

I know it can be frustrating to report someone and get a "Please take a video and let us review the case" but this is made for some reasons:

Nowadays, almost every cheat reports are what I call "Revenge Porn Report". They are just made with the solely purpose of getting the "suspect" on problems and usually after players can't beat "cheaters" on field (or PvP, or wherever might be)

Sometimes people don't underestand (related to prior point) that different regions on the world get different ping (sort of quality of your Internet connection) to server and that it translates on better results on games like this. Sure there are a lot of cheaters wild there, but if we just warn/ban without proofs, we would end with a lot of legit players accused for no reason more than jealousy of another players.

Proofs against a player (preferably a video) help us in many ways, to name a few:

• It give us chance to review things like the comparison against other players delays (with help us as reference)

• it help us keep a record of the offenders (along with your own logs) .even if they change the name of their chars later, we might be able to trace in database and correlate cases or previous offences

• it help us (as gm team) to make a joint decision after giving our opinions about things that can be missed /misinterpreted if only one of us take the decision on the moment

• It Help us to caught other offenders

Regarding the suggestions to lessen the number of people cheating: its really difficult to give an idea that might help without creating collateral problems.

Personally I share the idea of Genesis about Harmony (and the likes), It causes more troubles than benefits.

Being an old program that does not receive support at all since few years ago means that if something on the code used by the server causes troubles, we will be out of luck trying to figure what is it.

Since the server is highly customized, we dont know if harmony will interpret correctly the low delays we have, or it will think its a bunch of cheaters and block almost everyone D:

The GM "Police Force" as Inflatable Sheep has pointed out, might lead to biased judgments/abuse from that team. Not to mention that it might work (if at all) only in short term. Being there looking that everything is fine, without being able to kill anyone will bore the teams quickly :D

For now, my only advice to anyone wondering what can be done is: Report with us...

Do not only report your foes, also report your friends if you suspect they are acting wrong, if we truly want to make a change we all need to be on the same side

If you notice something suspicious, make a (Non-revenge) Report and let us review and judge if players deserve punishment.

I can assure we (as GM Team) always do our best to punish to those who deserve it

Edited October 9, 2016 by Danger

[p3wp3w]

If you notice something suspicious, make a (Non-revenge) Report and let us review and judge if players deserve punishment.

i like the sound of it, hopefully we can do this non-revenge report :th_e31:

[Specter]

Hello

I understand your concerns

I know it can be frustrating to report someone and get a "Please take a video and let us review the case" but this is made for some reasons:

Nowadays, almost every cheat reports are what I call "Revenge Porn Report". They are just made with the solely purpose of getting the "suspect" on problems and usually after players can't beat "cheaters" on field (or PvP, or wherever might be)

Sometimes people don't underestand (related to prior point) that different regions on the world get different ping (sort of quality of your Internet connection) to server and that it translates on better results on games like this. Sure there are a lot of cheaters wild there, but if we just warn/ban without proofs, we would end with a lot of legit players accused for no reason more than jealousy of another players.

Proofs against a player (preferably a video) help us in many ways, to name a few:

• It give us chance to review things like the comparison against other players delays (with help us as reference)

• it help us keep a record of the offenders (along with your own logs) .even if they change the name of their chars later, we might be able to trace in database and correlate cases or previous offences

• it help us (as gm team) to make a joint decision after giving our opinions about things that can be missed /misinterpreted if only one of us take the decision on the moment

• It Help us to caught other offenders

Regarding the suggestions to lessen the number of people cheating: its really difficult to give an idea that might help without creating collateral problems.

Personally I share the idea of Genesis about Harmony (and the likes), It causes more troubles than benefits.

Being an old program that does not receive support at all since few years ago means that if something on the code used by the server causes troubles, we will be out of luck trying to figure what is it.

Since the server is highly customized, we dont know if harmony will interpret correctly the low delays we have, or it will think its a bunch of cheaters and block almost everyone D:

The GM "Police Force" as Inflatable Sheep has pointed out, might lead to biased judgments/abuse from that team. Not to mention that it might work (if at all) only in short term. Being there looking that everything is fine, without being able to kill anyone will bore the teams quickly :D

For now, my only advice to anyone wondering what can be done is: Report with us...

Do not only report your foes, also report your friends if you suspect they are acting wrong, if we truly want to make a change we all need to be on the same side

If you notice something suspicious, make a (Non-revenge) Report and let us review and judge if players deserve punishment.

I can assure we (as GM Team) always do our best to punish to those who deserve it

Hey danger, thanks for taking the time to reply, I'm not saying videos should stop being done, it's the best way to find cheaters in my opinion too.

I know Harmony might give more issues than fixes, that's why I recommended the "GM P0l1c3 team", I'm pretty sure there's more than just me who want to make this server a better place, back when I used to be in the GM Team i didn't make any bias'd judgement, i pretty much banned my friends more often than anybody else since they were the "trouble makers" of the server back then. What i'm trying to say is, there must be more than just one person that can judge without being unfair. And a short term fix is better than nothing, but if this is done it has to be continued so people stop abusing. 3rd party programs are rampant, everyone in the server thinks it's alright to cheat because everyone else does, I get your point but I honestly think something like that HAS to be done, if it doesn't work then just dissolve it and let everything be the way it is now.

[Nas]

" This might be an useless post once again, or it will get ignored, or they will say "st0p cry1n meing u jus a nub". "

Hope they wont remove your status/topicb(am i like sarcastic? ) .They Cheat too much bass. Even during woe if you can pnuema,you will see these clown spam Av non stop, u can grab your f**kin recorder that time to record it? lul. I heard gm cant be in castle during WoE, then hired one or two people(who arent leading or playing in any guild ofc,we dont need bias GM) .

lol the best part is when they dare you to report them or when they rage out when you call them out on it.

Would be nice if GMs took action on this cause it is rampant. I know for a fact that some players are quitting for this reason. Really good points bass, just reading this makes me glad to know that some people still care

Nice :)

[Nas]

Hello

I understand your concerns

I know it can be frustrating to report someone and get a "Please take a video and let us review the case" but this is made for some reasons:

Nowadays, almost every cheat reports are what I call "Revenge Porn Report". They are just made with the solely purpose of getting the "suspect" on problems and usually after players can't beat "cheaters" on field (or PvP, or wherever might be)

Sometimes people don't underestand (related to prior point) that different regions on the world get different ping (sort of quality of your Internet connection) to server and that it translates on better results on games like this. Sure there are a lot of cheaters wild there, but if we just warn/ban without proofs, we would end with a lot of legit players accused for no reason more than jealousy of another players.

Proofs against a player (preferably a video) help us in many ways, to name a few:

• It give us chance to review things like the comparison against other players delays (with help us as reference)

• it help us keep a record of the offenders (along with your own logs) .even if they change the name of their chars later, we might be able to trace in database and correlate cases or previous offences

• it help us (as gm team) to make a joint decision after giving our opinions about things that can be missed /misinterpreted if only one of us take the decision on the moment

• It Help us to caught other offenders

Regarding the suggestions to lessen the number of people cheating: its really difficult to give an idea that might help without creating collateral problems.

Personally I share the idea of Genesis about Harmony (and the likes), It causes more troubles than benefits.

Being an old program that does not receive support at all since few years ago means that if something on the code used by the server causes troubles, we will be out of luck trying to figure what is it.

Since the server is highly customized, we dont know if harmony will interpret correctly the low delays we have, or it will think its a bunch of cheaters and block almost everyone D:

The GM "Police Force" as Inflatable Sheep has pointed out, might lead to biased judgments/abuse from that team. Not to mention that it might work (if at all) only in short term. Being there looking that everything is fine, without being able to kill anyone will bore the teams quickly :D

For now, my only advice to anyone wondering what can be done is: Report with us...

Do not only report your foes, also report your friends if you suspect they are acting wrong, if we truly want to make a change we all need to be on the same side

If you notice something suspicious, make a (Non-revenge) Report and let us review and judge if players deserve punishment.

I can assure we (as GM Team) always do our best to punish to those who deserve it

And yes reporter must know how to make diff betweeen low-ping and sprite edit user, some trick to know BN user is their spam slow but hit twice, and u can compared the DPS.

[Specter]

I'd like to know the opinion of other GMs and players too, specially if you are against this or you think there's better ways around the one I suggested.

[Ares]

I should say that I've banned a lot of accounts because of 3rd party programs.

[Specter]

I should say that I've banned a lot of accounts because of 3rd party programs.

Im speaking from my point of view, and I always see the same people abusing this things, but you and Danger said the same thing, so I'm guessing I was wrong about the fact that nobody gets banned. Then again, this issue has to be taken more seriously and players need to understand that this is not "okay" or that they can do it because everyone else does, because honestly that's the way it is now. Everyone's on each other's throats acussing people of cheating when they cheat themselves and they make those "Revenge reports" Danger mentioned but that's as far as it gets.

[Genesis]

We might have some players who are below GMs but above regular players as you suggested, a "Police" w ho record and report 3rd party usage. I am also considering a bounty for reports. I will add this to our agenda and discuss it. Thanks for the idea!