Sinx Oriental Dex Sword Revision

[void1793]

We all know that SinX Oriental Crit Sword can only be equipped in mainhand as it would be too much OP if you can also equip it in offhand

But the SinX Oriental Dex Sword is different. When you build a Crit type Sinx, It would be fine to use SinX Oriental CRIT sword in the mainhand cause you are critting. Not much mechanics there.

But building a Dex type Sinx means you would want to double attack right? Having SinX Oriental Dex Sword equipped in mainhand is pretty much dumb cause you cant double attack with a sword. Is it expected that when Sinx goes dex, its automatically Soul Destroyer type? Even if that were the case, The stat in SinX Oriental Dex Sword is shitty for an SD type compared to Loki's. Why not just use Loki Cursed [Red/Blue] Blades? It gives more appropriate stats for soul destroyer builds than SinX Oriental Dex Swords (+40 int). That being said, It makes SinX Oriental Dex Sword unusable except maybe for the bash build which is really wth :D Why not just use LK and use BB if you want to spam bash skills so much. We made SinX for a reason :)

My suggestion is that maybe make SinX Oriental Dex Sword a dagger type? Or maybe allow it to be equipped in the offhand while still restricting 2x equip of it in both hands? The way I see it SinX Oriental Dex Sword is inferior and useless with its current mechanics

[Rayray]

Would need testing. I don't have dex sword so I can't do test well yet.

How high is the lifesteal of dex sword? because if it is a bit high, then double attack + lifesteal might be a bit broken with the right gears.

I myself used loki's blades as an offhand weapon when needed, but my sinx is still primarily using only daggers.

I would rather have a sinx dagger that is meant to be a main hand weapon(rather than the ones we have which are clearly made to be offhand/ breaking weapons) than to change sinx dex oriental.

[void1793]

Additional: That -50 Crit and extra Hit is very much needed pretty much so yeah. Please take time and think about it

The Sets here pretty much give so much crit that even if you make a dex type double attack sinx, you crit way too much than intended. So the -50 Crit IS VERY VERY VERY MUCH USEFUL and the extra hit it gives. I do think its imbalance having 2 of it equipped at the same time, why not make it equippable in one of the hand at a time only? Like if equipped at offhand, cant equip it in main hand, if equipped in main hand, cant be equipped in offhand? or simply turn its weapon type as a dagger

[void1793]

It is clear as day that sinx oriental dex sword can only be equipped in mainhand right?

Well, if the 70% lifesteal is too much, then balance it? What im saying is the -50 Crit is so much needed and the extra hit it gives
Building a double attack sinx with so much crits flying around is meh.

As you have said, it might need testing, but it would sure give this sword justice, as it is useless right now. If you make a dex type sinx with this as mainhand (and not double attack) Why not just make a crit? you would dish out more damage

[Rayray]

I actually use a dagger sinx. I do not know what items you use, but on my end, I do not really crit. As far as I know, Double Attack has higher priority than criticals, hence if your critical rate is lower than the chance of double attack at max level (50%) then you have nothing to worry about crits.

Also, the cards used with a double dagger sinx and a critical sinx only differ on some modifiers like paper card. However, as I use turtle general and skeleton worker cards to do that, it also affects the damage of a critical strike, hence if ever I will crit, the damage is still not low(compared to missing when you are a crit sinx and you did not crit). If what I remember is correct, it actually does stabilize my damage a bit.

I'll test it, but as far as I remember, I never needed to decrease my crit on dagger sinx.

[void1793]

Criticals are prioritized than DAs as far as i know. And yeah, it is good to use double daggers.

Then what is this SinX Oriental Dex Sword used for? Decoration?

Its just doesnt make sense to me making a mainhand exclusive item for a DEX sinx. Dex is intended to do double attack as opposed to the crit build. Making a donation item that is mainhand exclusive a sword for sinx, I dont think its very much needed.

And if you are intending to not double attack, just go for the crit build. Since different card modifiers are multiplicative compared to the additive same card modifier. If you are gonna use the donation dex weapon for sinx, and you do not do double attack, just do the crit type. It would dish out more damage as you have another card modifier (The paper) as opposed to the dex build which cant use it

With that said, it really just makes the SinX Oriental Dex Sword an Oriental Item. Just for show or a decoration and doesnt really much have uses in it

Edited July 1, 2016 by void1793

[Rayray]

http://irowiki.org/wiki/Double_Attack

Double attack is prioritized over critical hits. Hence your argument on needing -50 crit for the dagger sinx is invalid. I have never remembered hitting a critical hit on a player using daggers. everyone has a bit of luk due to gears, hence they have a bit of critical resistance. And since I never had any form of luk or crit rate except on what was on default(gears), then my crit rate is low enough not to proc since DA has a 50% chance of proc.

The use of the dex sword now is having ok damage with being a bit more tanky than critical or the dagger builds. I think that is a nice trade off.

In all honesty, I never liked to build crit on sinx myself. I find the build severely lacking on utility, I have no hit whatsoever, so using meteor assault to reveal other sinx is out of the question. Saying the dex sword build a decoration only shows that you actually have never used it. Way before the sword was actually buffed, there are about 4 people who used the sword(including me before I lent it to someone) and it was ok. Back then, it lacks utility, but now the sword is buffed, it is seems quite decent.

I'll get myself the sword and test(probably on the weekend) then I'll edit or post again here if my opinion changes.

[void1793]

Still, having a dex sword that is intended to be in the mainhand is really really not good. Ohh well, Ill just wait for the decision of the GMs :D

You have your point and i have mine

[Rayray]

Making it only mainhand is the point : To have different builds for the class. If we allow it(or if it is already allowed to be off hand), then the dex sword will ALWAYS be an offhand, and not the mainhand weapon which would ruin the whole point.

[void1793]

Thats what im pointing out. ruining the whole point of it going to be a mainhand. That was what i was pointing out from the start. Either making it an exculsive offhand weapon, or making it a dagger class weapon (even though its name says it sword, its weapon category is a dagger)

[Maiimaii]

I do not approve on this , Im experienced in pvping using sinx dex sword i also used all weapons of sinx. Making Sinx dex able to put in off hand wud be op. dont compare it to sinx crit, the purpose of sinx dex is that you can put this thing called "Thanatos Card" which doesnt work on crit ofc. the sinx dex sword is already good at it is if you know how to use it well. I don't evne need to seed using sinx dex while hitting emp w/ thana. its not useless at all its pretty useful :) what i can see in this suggestion is you just want to make Sinx Dex sword OP like GS does. -Meow :3

P.S also dex is also for Ifrit rings users , you can't put incan while using sinx crit unless you're s2pid, no offense here just saying what i want to say. :3

Edited July 1, 2016 by Maiimaii

[void1793]

Ohh really? what about people who doesnt have thana? Nice reasoning but not everybody has 7k tokens to spend on such a card.

PS: and your PS didnt have any connection to the point at all :/

[void1793]

the purpose of sinx dex is that you can put this thing called "Thanatos Card" which doesnt work on crit ofc. the sinx dex sword is already good at it is if you know how to use it well. I don't evne need to seed using sinx dex while hitting emp w/ thana.

Now you see, That is OP there. Not using seed while hitting emp with thana means you dont die right? cause you are not using any seed. I Suggest that they balance it a bit by lowering its stats or life steal. And making it possible to do double attack while using this weapon. Then dex sword then can be using in double attack type

And you only see it for attacking EMP with thana. Well, what i wish for to be able to use it in PVP, not just thanaing the emperium and not using seeds

Using it as a main hand without thana in PVP is inferior. Why not just use Crit? youd have another different card modifier (the paper) and dish out more damage

Edited July 1, 2016 by void1793

[Maiimaii]

I never said you can only use Thana, there's this thing called sinx dex which is used for other builds such as ifrit rings which is does Bowling bash, Sonic Blow, Occult , and asura. which is you can't use do that in sinx crit because its crit, those skill doesnt affect crit at all thats why they made this valk weapon called SINX ORIENTAL DEX

AND the foken reason why blade cant double attack it because SWORD has HIGHER DAMAGE than Dagger, thats why dagger does a little damage because there is this skill called Double atk to help it. and WHY make it dagger? when its called a SWORD? if you want dagger there is this valk weapon called Hel's dagger. from my point you just lack of experience in pvp using your sinx. making the sinx sword =dagger would ruin the whole build. dex sword does 13-15k w/ incan. You just want to make sinx dex sword OP thats all. sinx dex is not useless at all. no hard feelings please. :3 Meow peaceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee dun hate please denkz

Edited July 1, 2016 by Maiimaii

[void1793]

You just completely missed the point... Well, no use explaining to you :|

And FYI, sword and dagger only differs in the size modification. Since PVP is mostly medium to medium, doesnt really affect anything LOL :)
Swords dont have higher attack than dagger, since its a custom item, its attack is equal to what the creators want it to be. They can make a dagger with so much attack power than a sword if they ever wanted it

And O hels for the dex? yeah it adds dex. But is it really much compared to Dex sword? wheres the +30 hit?

And stat wise, id really rather have O.Loki dag than O Hels :D

Edited July 1, 2016 by void1793

[Maiimaii]

Meow :) do you even know what is that int for? :DDDDDDDDDD same no use explaining it to you :3 most of people knows how i rek w/ sinx dex >:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

"Build wise" muhahhahahaha

Edited July 1, 2016 by Maiimaii

[Rayray]

Making the dex sword allowable to be used as offhand would make it OP. That is what I am pointing out. I already deal 10k-16k damage on one dagger without factoring the double attack. I deal around 16k-32k on dual daggers(or using loki's as offhand) without factoring the double attack. That is on incant alone. If we make dex sword be allowed on offhand, I think the damage would be the same + having lifesteal. So in my opinion, doing that would make it OP, hence I vote to make it only mainhand.

Add the fact that a dagger built sinx has so much HP because the build uses less stat points on agi and even str(computing the damage of double attack together with your cards will lead you to use less str and put the rest on vit). A dagger sinx that has lifesteal would be OP.

[Maiimaii]

+1 ^ ↑↑↑↑

[jojogaah]

-1

By making Dex Oriental as offhand and dagger makes other offhand dagger ( weps ) useless. its like making all in 1 offhand weapon.

[void1793]

-1

By making Dex Oriental as offhand and dagger makes other offhand dagger ( weps ) useless. its like making all in 1 offhand weapon.

No it does not. By making it an offhand weapon, it can be made into a PVP item instead of just thanaing the hell out of the emp or whatever the other stated.

Does it have the stat of Hels or Fenrir of bonus damage to small enemies? Hels and Fenrir will not be useless. It is still used for breaking emps. It has bonus damage to small sized monsters (Emp)

Well, i do suggest of not just making it an offhand. Im also suggesting it for balacing and revamp. look at that post above, not using seed while breaking emp? That is so OP if you ask me. I just want it to be useful in not just Thana emping. Im suggesting it to be balanced, as in making it equippable for offhand (still restricted one at a time), with lowered stats or lowered lifesteal. retaining its extra hit and some bonus stats in the process (and not that high)

[Nas]

Yeah mai right about this.

Dagger does 80% on demihuman

While sword give 100%

If you really want that double attack with wonderfull stats on o.dex,you can go x2 lokis infernal dagger.

it does give a nice stats compared to ohels(more to breaking

)

You just completely missed the point... Well, no use explaining to you :|

And FYI, sword and dagger only differs in the size modification. Since PVP is mostly medium to medium, doesnt really affect anything LOL :)

Swords dont have higher attack than dagger, since its a custom item, its attack is equal to what the creators want it to be. They can make a dagger with so much attack power than a sword if they ever wanted it

And O hels for the dex? yeah it adds dex. But is it really much compared to Dex sword? wheres the +30 hit?

And stat wise, id really rather have O.Loki dag than O Hels :D

Then use o.lokis dag lol

[Ares]

I skipped some of the posts but I get the idea.

Anyways, the reason why I want the Sinx Dex SWORD to be on main hand is because combining it with other daggers will make it OP. A Dex SWORD is only for main hand and for lifesteal build only.