Fcp Buff Option On Kafra(or A Seperate Npc)

[Rayray]

This idea stemmed out from the Guild Hideout suggestion, but I think Genesis already rejected that suggestion. So here goes:

I would like to suggest having an NPC(or just adding it to the kafra) that will cast Full Chemical Protection on your character at the cost of 1 glistening coat. Basically, this suggestion is just to eliminate the use of dual clienting just for FCP. I was never a fan of dual clienting even for buffs so this idea came out of that.

EDIT: reading james' reply, I come to the conclusion that putting the option for FCP on the kafra will be hassle during woe, as you would scroll down a lot of options to find it. So I support his idea to just create a separate NPC for this suggestion.

EDIT 2: Due to ChainBreak and Lenneth's input, if the GM team will think that having an npc to fcp without any backlash besides the use of glistening coat, I would agree on having the npc charge a few zennies for each buff.

Edited April 11, 2014 by Rayray

[Ichiro]

basically you will just need to bring Fcp bottles on your inventory rather than opening another client for fcp. This is convenient. +1

[jameslamela]

make a separate npc. it is so inconvinent to put it on kafra service. this one would be very useful at woe so that bio can go to castle to participate not just staying at base to fcp.

[Sensation]

@Ray He did rejected the suggestion sadly. I saw potential in it as it wasn't demanding too much or giving too much of an edge.

And the suggestion seems to be a fair option. You'll carry the bottles on your current character instead of having to swap windows all the time. You have my support on this one.

[Zombee]

FCP cuts the edge in most battles.

If this were to apply, should cost more than 1 glistening coat.

The hassle of dual boxing should come with some sort of benefit, buff-wise,

[ChainBreak]

Then maybe a glistening coat bottle and 100.000 zenny?

[Zombee]

This is just a dumb & lazy idea. Lmfao.

How you find this more reasonable than an Emp breaking room is beyond me.

[Rayray]

This is just a dumb & lazy idea. Lmfao.

How you find this more reasonable than an Emp breaking room is beyond me.

Because the emp breaking room will only be used by breakers and be forgotten once everyone got a hold of what they will claim the "best card combo", while my suggestion will be used by everyone and will always be used. On a programmer point of view, it is more efficient to code something that will always have a use compared to coding one feature that will be forgotten in a few days.

I already said I hated the idea of dual clienting for buffs. If I can have my way, I would remove dual clienting entirely, and just put up the needed buffs like soul link and fcp on seperate npcs as this would also remove people using 2x and MB to win. But as a lot of people actually rely on them, this will never happen.

Also, for the record, the emp breaking room imo is also a lazy idea and a waste of resources(code+time). How you find that reasonable is beyond me as well.

[Zombee]

Something abusive over something tactical..

I already know the best emp breaking cards for crit and thana and i'm 99.9% accurate.

That doesn't make it useless for me and can still benefit other classes who want to make themselves useful who happen to be in the emp room as well.

Build play and accurate reading are always a good pass-time.

But every character having FP on 24/7? Don't think so.

If you want FP that bad, dual box.

MB and Gospel don't bother me at all, if they have the time to wait around for up to 10 minutes for a silly advantage, they deserve it.

You're basically wanting to disable specific classes perks as a whole.

Gtfo with that shit, man up and dual box.

This server needs more pass-times ( likes farming fcp bottles or playing around in emp breaking room ), not disadvantages for other players.

[reggae]

I agree with Ray. During woe, there's so much lag and those who need to dual clients don't always respond in time, especially if there's a number of people who need it. If there's a npc who can do it at the usual cost of a fcp, it's much faster.

[Rayray]

@Zombee

First, you are contradicting yourself. The emp room suggestion only lets you gauge your damage, nothing more, nothing less. If you are already confident that you got the "combo" right, why would you use it? If the emp room is actually a copy of one of the castles and lets you plan out your defense, I would have agreed to that suggestion.

Second, why would other classes use the emp room if they are not going on breaker build? If they want to be useful in the emp room, they do not need to break, they need to kill and stall the breakers and their pallies, kill the defenders(prof, priest) and plainly be there to support their own breakers. The emp room cannot simulate that. Or are you plainly suggesting that every class should have a breaking weapon?

For this suggestion, how can it be abusive? It basically is the same thing, minus the dual clienting. EVERYONE can dual client for FCP, so what is the reason of not just having the NPC do it? It is the same, just takes less time to do so. It still uses glistening coat, your dual client fcper uses glistening coat. I don't think it can be abused since it is not free, you still need to farm for bottles.

How can it be a disadvantage to other players? Are you thinking of stalker being useless because they can't strip? Any stalker who becomes useless just because of FCP should stop using stalker then, it is pretty much stupid to build something solely on the strip skill.

BTW, I do not need to dual client for FCP as I main and only use Biochemist. I already have FCP 24/7. So if you are thinking this suggestion stemmed out of laziness to dual client for FCP, you are terribly mistaken. This suggestion actually will not help me much as I already can FCP whenever I want.

Lastly, I find your comment "FCP cuts the edge on most battles" hilarious. Do you do pvp with a rule "no fcp" but you have a stripping/breaking weapon? FCP actually balances some classes out. Without FCP, Stalker would have a field day, and Clowns will be ridiculously overpowered as it is the only class that can break cloaks and helm.

[Lenneth]

I support Noi's idea of additional zeny for the service. Dual client for fcp is like a price u pay for getting urself fcped, so the convenience of fcping oneself should come at a price too.

So +1 to a FCP npc that takes a glistening coat and charges a certain amount of zeny. This at the same time can be a zeny sink=)

[Rayray]

I support Noi's idea of additional zeny for the service. Dual client for fcp is like a price u pay for getting urself fcped, so the convenience of fcping oneself should come at a price too.

So +1 to a FCP npc that takes a glistening coat and charges a certain amount of zeny. This at the same time can be a zeny sink=)

Isn't the bottle already a price for it though, dual clienting isn't exactly hard, it is just a hassle at times.

But I can see your point and we might really need a zeny sink anyway, so I will put it in the original suggestion as an alternative. Thanks for the input :)

[markadik21]

i agree on this.. so the farmer newbie is happy to farm ^_^

[Zombee]

@Zombee

First, you are contradicting yourself. The emp room suggestion only lets you gauge your damage, nothing more, nothing less. If you are already confident that you got the "combo" right, why would you use it? If the emp room is actually a copy of one of the castles and lets you plan out your defense, I would have agreed to that suggestion.

Second, why would other classes use the emp room if they are not going on breaker build? If they want to be useful in the emp room, they do not need to break, they need to kill and stall the breakers and their pallies, kill the defenders(prof, priest) and plainly be there to support their own breakers. The emp room cannot simulate that. Or are you plainly suggesting that every class should have a breaking weapon?

For this suggestion, how can it be abusive? It basically is the same thing, minus the dual clienting. EVERYONE can dual client for FCP, so what is the reason of not just having the NPC do it? It is the same, just takes less time to do so. It still uses glistening coat, your dual client fcper uses glistening coat. I don't think it can be abused since it is not free, you still need to farm for bottles.

How can it be a disadvantage to other players? Are you thinking of stalker being useless because they can't strip? Any stalker who becomes useless just because of FCP should stop using stalker then, it is pretty much stupid to build something solely on the strip skill.

BTW, I do not need to dual client for FCP as I main and only use Biochemist. I already have FCP 24/7. So if you are thinking this suggestion stemmed out of laziness to dual client for FCP, you are terribly mistaken. This suggestion actually will not help me much as I already can FCP whenever I want.

Lastly, I find your comment "FCP cuts the edge on most battles" hilarious. Do you do pvp with a rule "no fcp" but you have a stripping/breaking weapon? FCP actually balances some classes out. Without FCP, Stalker would have a field day, and Clowns will be ridiculously overpowered as it is the only class that can break cloaks and helm.

First off, no I'm not. You're just an in-comprehensive idiot.

The Emp room can provide entertainment for groups of friends who want to compete and see who can the Emp fast on whichever class they want. It gives them something to do.

This game is boring as it is, we need entertainment not means of laziness.

Then again, you seem like a simple minded hard headed twat, so I don't expect you to open your eyes to novelty of possibility of this & go against your garbage suggestion.

Because SinX is the superior breaker, rule out all other classes immediately? More of one guild on the Emperium increases odds. It's 100% luck based anyways.

LOOOOOOL, yet you say I'm contradicting myself?

Look up the definition bud, because you clearly stated in your original post before you edited 5 times that you find it to be an inconvenience. Yourself was definitely included in the way you had worded it.

Because not everybody runs around with FCP 24/7, and most ( like you ) are too lazy to dual box a Creator.

I never said anyone needed to rely on strip or armor break to play their class, but if you have it on tap 24/7 with ZERO hassle, you're throwing their perks out the window.

And where the fuck do you come up with half the shit you say, about Clowns and shit? They're irrelevant as fuck, because they can just dual box a Creator like a normal person would and get FP.

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This idea is stupid and a major fucking waste of our Moderators time.

Try suggesting something we don't already have access to or can do ourselves.

Thank you, come again. ^_~

[Rayray]

First off, no I'm not. You're just an in-comprehensive idiot.

The Emp room can provide entertainment for groups of friends who want to compete and see who can the Emp fast on whichever class they want. It gives them something to do.

This game is boring as it is, we need entertainment not means of laziness.

Then again, you seem like a simple minded hard headed twat, so I don't expect you to open your eyes to novelty of possibility of this & go against your garbage suggestion.

Because SinX is the superior breaker, rule out all other classes immediately? More of one guild on the Emperium increases odds. It's 100% luck based anyways.

LOOOOOOL, yet you say I'm contradicting myself?

Look up the definition bud, because you clearly stated in your original post before you edited 5 times that you find it to be an inconvenience. Yourself was definitely included in the way you had worded it.

Because not everybody runs around with FCP 24/7, and most ( like you ) are too lazy to dual box a Creator.

I never said anyone needed to rely on strip or armor break to play their class, but if you have it on tap 24/7 with ZERO hassle, you're throwing their perks out the window.

And where the fuck do you come up with half the shit you say, about Clowns and shit? They're irrelevant as fuck, because they can just dual box a Creator like a normal person would and get FP.

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This idea is stupid and a major fucking waste of our Moderators time.

Try suggesting something we don't already have access to or can do ourselves.

Thank you, come again. ^_~

1. The suggested emp room only suggested an emp that shows the damage to gauge their card combos. Never once in that suggestion that a whole lot of people can enter at once, nor was it said that the emp in the emp room can actually break. And an emp room that actually has the emp breaking, and no one defending on it? That seems useless as it would just break every few seconds doesn't it?

2. I never said sinx was the only breaker, but it is the most common. No one in their right mind will break with any other class besides sinx, stalker, star glad and the occasional weird ones. But that still limit on who will use the SUGGESTED emp room, not the one you envisioned.

3. The only edits I put on my original posts are the ones that were added due to people's input in this suggestion. I never said in my original composition that it was an inconvenience to me, I said I was never a fan of dual clienting for buffs. I never liked using dual clients just for buffs, I mostly use dual client for a clown or priest on a raid. If you don't believe me and think I edited my suggestion and removed the word inconvenience in it, find a moderator that can see edit history and tell him/her to post the entire edit history.

4. If clowns and stalkers are irrelevant, then what is your issue of putting FCP on an NPC? Since you also mention that anyone can FCP, doesn't the NPC that do it not make any difference? See, you keep on contradicting yourself. With that argument, if anyone can just FCP using dual client, there is no harm on just letting an NPC do it at the cost of glistening coats.

5. Too lazy to box a creator? That was funny, as anyone who know me knew that I only main Biochemist.

Try putting valid points on why you do not want this suggestion to happen, instead of just attacking me simply because I never agreed to the emp room suggestion. Please, I don't give a damn about the emp room suggestion so stop bringing it as an argument. In case you haven't noticed, only you disagrees(even GM Sensation agrees).

[Bishop]

First off, the personal attacks have to stop. They contribute nothing to the topic. If these attacks continue warn levels will be raised.

Now as for the suggestion, I can see where you're coming from. I just have a few concerns regarding this:

1: Right now not everyone walks around with FCP 24/7 simply because of the hassle of dual clienting. Once you remove this hassle seeing 24/7 fcp'd players will be the new standard.

But my biggest concern is this:

2: We all know Creators are not the highest damage dealers out there, or the most survivable characters out there. Yet they still fill a role, specifically in WoE. People are either forced to dual client and fcp themselves each time they die or they get fcp from a fellow guildsman , perhaps even a character that's only there to fcp people such as a lower geared player simply fcping for salary. By enabling an NPC to give the fcp buff you remove part of the chemist's role in the game. Not only that but @storage and the enlarge weight limits on almost all low str character weapons already removed another role from the chemist (Carrying loads of supplies with their cart etc). The only actual use of the chemist would be being there to fcp the players that have been in the emp room for over the fcp duration without dying. But then again the player could just relog, talk to the npc and port back into the castle within seconds.

[Ohki]

It's 100% luck based anyways.

On behalf of all breakers, I am insulted, sir!

[ChainBreak]

We have a couple of fcpers already at woe so I don't mind. It's just that others could find it usefull and I don't see the point of not implementing it since anyone who lacks the fcper will just tell one guy to dual to a low level fcp dump. It's not like the process takes a huge amount of time.

[Zombee]

1. The suggested emp room only suggested an emp that shows the damage to gauge their card combos. Never once in that suggestion that a whole lot of people can enter at once, nor was it said that the emp in the emp room can actually break. And an emp room that actually has the emp breaking, and no one defending on it? That seems useless as it would just break every few seconds doesn't it?

2. I never said sinx was the only breaker, but it is the most common. No one in their right mind will break with any other class besides sinx, stalker, star glad and the occasional weird ones. But that still limit on who will use the SUGGESTED emp room, not the one you envisioned.

3. The only edits I put on my original posts are the ones that were added due to people's input in this suggestion. I never said in my original composition that it was an inconvenience to me, I said I was never a fan of dual clienting for buffs. I never liked using dual clients just for buffs, I mostly use dual client for a clown or priest on a raid. If you don't believe me and think I edited my suggestion and removed the word inconvenience in it, find a moderator that can see edit history and tell him/her to post the entire edit history.

4. If clowns and stalkers are irrelevant, then what is your issue of putting FCP on an NPC? Since you also mention that anyone can FCP, doesn't the NPC that do it not make any difference? See, you keep on contradicting yourself. With that argument, if anyone can just FCP using dual client, there is no harm on just letting an NPC do it at the cost of glistening coats.

5. Too lazy to box a creator? That was funny, as anyone who know me knew that I only main Biochemist.

Try putting valid points on why you do not want this suggestion to happen, instead of just attacking me simply because I never agreed to the emp room suggestion. Please, I don't give a damn about the emp room suggestion so stop bringing it as an argument. In case you haven't noticed, only you disagrees(even GM Sensation agrees).

Idc about the emp room, just stated it was stupid to find this more reasonable than the emp room.

Open your mind to possibility. I never expected the Emp not to break, so idk where you got it that the Emperium would be invincible.

It's a practice room, not a Thanatos or MVP Room.

Also, I made a valid point as to why it shouldn't be implemented and you completely ignore it and keep telling me I'm contradicting myself.

Idgaf about what Sensation agrees with, does it mean I'm going to hop on him and +1 anything he says? No.

This is completely unnecessary and a waste of time.

1. You can already do it yourself.

2. You're screwing other classes over.

3. Creators would be obsolete.

I don't expect that to sink into your head, because you're shallow as fuck. Yes that was a shot, I'll take the risk.

Ignorance gets under my skin, that's all.

This wasn't a -1 because of the Emp room, I could care less whether or not it gets implemented. It should be, but it doesn't effect me as I strictly PvP here.

It was -1 simply because I find this idea to be incredibly dumb. But that's just me & my opinion.

[Sensation]

This is getting too offensive towards multiple parties now. Next person to be offensive will have to face the consequences.

Stay on topic, have your say, either yes or nay. Some explanation is always welcome, but don't involve other suggestions. Discussion about those belong on those topics and not in other topics that don't discuss that specific suggestion.

[newkid090]

why make NPC w/ fcp buff when you can look for a player who will FCP you exchange for a tokens, this can be a 1 way for poor people like me to earn money :D

Edited April 12, 2014 by newkid090

[Rayray]

Idc about the emp room, just stated it was stupid to find this more reasonable than the emp room.

Open your mind to possibility. I never expected the Emp not to break, so idk where you got it that the Emperium would be invincible.

It's a practice room, not a Thanatos or MVP Room.

Also, I made a valid point as to why it shouldn't be implemented and you completely ignore it and keep telling me I'm contradicting myself.

Idgaf about what Sensation agrees with, does it mean I'm going to hop on him and +1 anything he says? No.

This is completely unnecessary and a waste of time.

1. You can already do it yourself.

2. You're screwing other classes over.

3. Creators would be obsolete.

I don't expect that to sink into your head, because you're shallow as fuck. Yes that was a shot, I'll take the risk.

Ignorance gets under my skin, that's all.

This wasn't a -1 because of the Emp room, I could care less whether or not it gets implemented. It should be, but it doesn't effect me as I strictly PvP here.

It was -1 simply because I find this idea to be incredibly dumb. But that's just me & my opinion.

1. Yes you can do it yourself. You can also heal yourself using a priest and buff yourself with it but we have a healer to do that as well.

2. How am I screwing classes over when you mention that EVERYONE can do it already with dual clienting? It's not like im introducing a whole new feature, FCP has been here for a long time, letting an NPC buff you with it at a cost is not gonna change anything since, with your words, EVERYONE CAN DO IT ANYWAY.

3. I think I have to put it in bold fonts. I MAIN CREATOR. So you mean to tell me I am suggesting this to make my favorite class obsolete then? A creator losing just because people got FCP need to play the class more as there are a lot of things to do when people have FCP. That's like saying wizard and prof are obsolete due to GTB.

Please give an argument to number 2 because that is my main issue here.

First off, the personal attacks have to stop. They contribute nothing to the topic. If these attacks continue warn levels will be raised.

Now as for the suggestion, I can see where you're coming from. I just have a few concerns regarding this:

1: Right now not everyone walks around with FCP 24/7 simply because of the hassle of dual clienting. Once you remove this hassle seeing 24/7 fcp'd players will be the new standard.

But my biggest concern is this:

2: We all know Creators are not the highest damage dealers out there, or the most survivable characters out there. Yet they still fill a role, specifically in WoE. People are either forced to dual client and fcp themselves each time they die or they get fcp from a fellow guildsman , perhaps even a character that's only there to fcp people such as a lower geared player simply fcping for salary. By enabling an NPC to give the fcp buff you remove part of the chemist's role in the game. Not only that but @storage and the enlarge weight limits on almost all low str character weapons already removed another role from the chemist (Carrying loads of supplies with their cart etc). The only actual use of the chemist would be being there to fcp the players that have been in the emp room for over the fcp duration without dying. But then again the player could just relog, talk to the npc and port back into the castle within seconds.

1. That will not happen, not everyone is gonna go to fild having fcp(that uses glistening coats or + zeny as ChainBreak and Lenneth suggested) and just see no use of FCP(no creator, no stalker, no clown, no one stripping, everyone sitting down). It will still be like dual clienting, where you only fcp when you need it. No one is gonna waste FCP bottles just to have it on 24/7 or else every creator has done it, and I keep catching creators with no FCP in fild. We haven't changed on how FCP is farmed anyway, so not everyone is gonna waste bottles just to have FCP 24/7 when they see no use for it. We do not see people on FCP 24/7 not because it needs dual clienting, it is because it is not always needed.

2. Damage wise, creators got easy counters in GR and Raydric, that I can agree. But during WoE, they can kill or stunlock people even if those people got fcp(you just need to pair up with an LK or anyone on thana), put bombs on the floor near the emp to show up/stall some people(which sadly is mostly done by me and other people that actually know how to use creator) , freeze people using acid terror, and provide support. I go in WoE thinking everyone is on FCP anyway. With the way our WoE is, no one has the time to relog and rebuff with the npc during crucial moments. Lastly, I have not really seen other creators going in castles and doing what we used to do, 90% of them stay at the base of their guilds and WAIT for people to scream FCP PLOX. With that in mind, I would rather see those creators defending and stalling people then become buff bots for their own guild. They kinda become the NPC I wanted to suggest here, which is sad.

[Zombee]

1. Yes you can do it yourself. You can also heal yourself using a priest and buff yourself with it but we have a healer to do that as well.

2. How am I screwing classes over when you mention that EVERYONE can do it already with dual clienting? It's not like im introducing a whole new feature, FCP has been here for a long time, letting an NPC buff you with it at a cost is not gonna change anything since, with your words, EVERYONE CAN DO IT ANYWAY.

3. I think I have to put it in bold fonts. I MAIN CREATOR. So you mean to tell me I am suggesting this to make my favorite class obsolete then? A creator losing just because people got FCP need to play the class more as there are a lot of things to do when people have FCP. That's like saying wizard and prof are obsolete due to GTB.

Please give an argument to number 2 because that is my main issue here.

1. That will not happen, not everyone is gonna go to fild having fcp(that uses glistening coats or + zeny as ChainBreak and Lenneth suggested) and just see no use of FCP(no creator, no stalker, no clown, no one stripping, everyone sitting down). It will still be like dual clienting, where you only fcp when you need it. No one is gonna waste FCP bottles just to have it on 24/7 or else every creator has done it, and I keep catching creators with no FCP in fild. We haven't changed on how FCP is farmed anyway, so not everyone is gonna waste bottles just to have FCP 24/7 when they see no use for it. We do not see people on FCP 24/7 not because it needs dual clienting, it is because it is not always needed.

2. Damage wise, creators got easy counters in GR and Raydric, that I can agree. But during WoE, they can kill or stunlock people even if those people got fcp(you just need to pair up with an LK or anyone on thana), put bombs on the floor near the emp to show up/stall some people(which sadly is mostly done by me and other people that actually know how to use creator) , freeze people using acid terror, and provide support. I go in WoE thinking everyone is on FCP anyway. With the way our WoE is, no one has the time to relog and rebuff with the npc during crucial moments. Lastly, I have not really seen other creators going in castles and doing what we used to do, 90% of them stay at the base of their guilds and WAIT for people to scream FCP PLOX. With that in mind, I would rather see those creators defending and stalling people then become buff bots for their own guild. They kinda become the NPC I wanted to suggest here, which is sad.

Like you said, they can dual client and FP themselves. Let's stick to that because it isn't a problem for anybody.

FCP & Zeny is in surplus, it's 0 problem for anyone to have FP 24/7. If they need FP in a duel, I'd much rather them have to deal with the ( notsomuch ) inconvenience of dual boxing.

I already know you main a creator, why you keep telling me this beats me. Idk what it has to do with anything. So you already have FP on tap 24/7? You're not what I'm worried about, you hone zero threat to me.

Now lose a duel via strip, only to come back with FP in 1-2 seconds because it's that quick to get via NPC, that's dumb.

Lose a duel, take a 30 seconds to a minute to dual box and get FP. I already expect that & can act accordingly.

This isn't a reasonable suggestion by any means. You only need one creator per guild to play the FP role. If nobody else wants to play a Creator & help clear & defend castles during WoE, that's their own problem. Plus, it gives a reason to get paid for minimal farming for all of the newbies. Add this, and you're taking that blessing away. Because starting here fresh isn't easy, no matter how you justify it.

Also, FP 24/7 WILL happen because it's too easy and convenient.

If you want this implemented, convenience needs to come at COST.

1 Token for the FP buff is reasonable. If you want to short-cut the task, pay the price.

Decent little token sink that those with an over-abundance will take advantage of if they feel it's that necessary.

[asakayo2]

BIG -1 TO THIS CHARACTER LIKE BIO-CHEMIST WILL BE USELESS NO TALKS ANYMORE BIO-CHEMIST WILL BE USELESS IF THERE IS FCP NPC AT ALL -1