Gs Nerfed?

[seanchris16]

I feel like my class has been taken away from me, i used this class since day one of playing FRO(more then 2 years ago), and honestly after the nerf i left for quite some time. i recently came back to find it hasent been fixed.. my class gets destroyed by all the other classes easily in pvp. with the cast delay i get beaten so easily. so im asking im sure for the sake of every GS on here. please let us have our class back. give us the effect of our kiels back. in pvp at least it evened out the odds.

[ChainBreak]

wtf please?

I see GS doing fine in for fild. Even after the nerf they still go strong.

[seanchris16]

i am 100% decked out and I can barely break 12 k a hit, pvp is impossible for me now.

[jameslamela]

GM nerf our class not because we are OP, actually we are easily to be countered even we have fast spam rate. they nerfed us because of a freaking reason that we coz lag during WoE "which is totally nonsense"... now even theres less GS playing during woe, it is still lag especially during last minute.. GMs thought that nerfing us GS will solve the problem, but the problem is... they dont fix it at all.. they just simply destroy a beautiful class and just make it inferior compare to others especially vs champs. theres nothing we can do bro, we already lost it...

all we have to do is adjust... or go extinct.. the choice is up to you, either you stubbornly continue to play GS like me or simply change your class into sniper or clown.

[ChainBreak]

i am 100% decked out and I can barely break 12 k a hit, pvp is impossible for me now.

Then you're doing something wrong. I know at least two GS who can deal 15k hits on their GS even on the current situation. Also the spam is really good enough at the moment. I dont see GS only getting owned in for field except for some noobs.

You guys make GS seem weaker than it actually is. Sure it's not as strong as before, but tbh GS was op before the nerf. You just dont want to realize it because it's your mainclass.

Also please at least try to bring actual suggestions as in

-cast delay redux or

-HP increase or

-dmg redux or

Whatever you can think of, but what are the GMs supposed to do if you're not specific in your suggestions?

[Rayray]

GM nerf our class not because we are OP, actually we are easily to be countered even we have fast spam rate. they nerfed us because of a freaking reason that we coz lag during WoE "which is totally nonsense"... now even theres less GS playing during woe, it is still lag especially during last minute.. GMs thought that nerfing us GS will solve the problem, but the problem is... they dont fix it at all.. they just simply destroy a beautiful class and just make it inferior compare to others especially vs champs. theres nothing we can do bro, we already lost it...

all we have to do is adjust... or go extinct.. the choice is up to you, either you stubbornly continue to play GS like me or simply change your class into sniper or clown.

GS desperado causes GRAPHICS LAG. The lag you experience during last minute when there are tons of people around the emp is a different type of lag.

Sure, the nerf caused some people to quit the class, but doesn't that mean that the problem was with the users of the class? I still see a few decent GS around, although I gotta admit that they have to be pretty geared, or at least have thanatos, but most classes are like that too.

I'll give an example. About a year ago, Biochemists are just used as FCPers, since Bios are easily countered(gr+fcp already screws them up) and the class is really not that strong. Bios have lower HP than WS, has to carry acid bomb bottles, countered by fcp or rsx +gr, only one homunculus work in this server, and since primarily an INT class, doesn't have that much seed carrying capacity since you also carry seeds and bottles.

Seriously, you can only see either me, airi or enrique on bio then. A few months after that, landon arrived and used bio as well. Bios didn't get ANY sort of buff as a class, only the reducing of the price of bottles for acid bomb and a bit of an increase on the hp boost of tao gunka which I suggested and fought for. Nothing really changed on the bio class. But we see tons of people using the class now, even if the class isn't really as strong as snipers, stalkers, LK, and sinx.

Why then people stopped using BIos as fcpers and are now using them as a pvp class? The class wasn't buffed in a decent way that made it appealing. Ernique was already known then to be a good bio. I saw him and thought it was fun so I made a bio and stick with it. A few months after that, came the halloween patch that made legendary weapons 80% of the valks. From then on, I built my bio to the extent that it is now. Then I released the bio guide here in the forums. At almost the same time I released the guide, Landon was getting recognition on in game due to him winning pvp ladder on bio. From then on, people started using bios again.

I'm pretty sure a few GS can step up and do that as well. I suggest you guys start with a constructive suggestion in the forums on what to do to compensate that delay(I already did my part on that as you might remember Genesis increasing the delay cap after my suggestion). On top of my head, create stats for gunslinger shotgun, gatling gun, rifles and grenade launcher. If they are decent, I'll support it.

What I want to say here is that, the class was nerfed for a reason. The graphics lag does not affect the gunslinger user on his screen, but it affects the other ones seeing him on their own screens. Increasing the delay is inevitable, as it affects everyone. GS is still far from being useless as people make them appear as such. The classes that needs buffs imo are wizards, soul linkers, taekwon rankers,and star gladiators(give them a weapon already).

[seanchris16]

GS desperado causes GRAPHICS LAG. The lag you experience during last minute when there are tons of people around the emp is a different type of lag.

Sure, the nerf caused some people to quit the class, but doesn't that mean that the problem was with the users of the class? I still see a few decent GS around, although I gotta admit that they have to be pretty geared, or at least have thanatos, but most classes are like that too.

I'll give an example. About a year ago, Biochemists are just used as FCPers, since Bios are easily countered(gr+fcp already screws them up) and the class is really not that strong. Bios have lower HP than WS, has to carry acid bomb bottles, countered by fcp or rsx +gr, only one homunculus work in this server, and since primarily an INT class, doesn't have that much seed carrying capacity since you also carry seeds and bottles.

Seriously, you can only see either me, airi or enrique on bio then. A few months after that, landon arrived and used bio as well. Bios didn't get ANY sort of buff as a class, only the reducing of the price of bottles for acid bomb and a bit of an increase on the hp boost of tao gunka which I suggested and fought for. Nothing really changed on the bio class. But we see tons of people using the class now, even if the class isn't really as strong as snipers, stalkers, LK, and sinx.

Why then people stopped using BIos as fcpers and are now using them as a pvp class? The class wasn't buffed in a decent way that made it appealing. Ernique was already known then to be a good bio. I saw him and thought it was fun so I made a bio and stick with it. A few months after that, came the halloween patch that made legendary weapons 80% of the valks. From then on, I built my bio to the extent that it is now. Then I released the bio guide here in the forums. At almost the same time I released the guide, Landon was getting recognition on in game due to him winning pvp ladder on bio. From then on, people started using bios again.

I'm pretty sure a few GS can step up and do that as well. I suggest you guys start with a constructive suggestion in the forums on what to do to compensate that delay(I already did my part on that as you might remember Genesis increasing the delay cap after my suggestion). On top of my head, create stats for gunslinger shotgun, gatling gun, rifles and grenade launcher. If they are decent, I'll support it.

What I want to say here is that, the class was nerfed for a reason. The graphics lag does not affect the gunslinger user on his screen, but it affects the other ones seeing him on their own screens. Increasing the delay is inevitable, as it affects everyone. GS is still far from being useless as people make them appear as such. The classes that needs buffs imo are wizards, soul linkers, taekwon rankers,and star gladiators(give them a weapon already).

you even say it yourself, you have to be geared or even worse have a thanatos, and most players cant say that have one. also I do not disagree on the woe, yes I played many wars, and ill agree the lag from the desp was intense. and sometimes horrible. i'm also not saying that Gs are useless but during pvp my class has such a disadvantage compared to professors, snipers, and sinx. I thought all classes were supposed to be slightly even, we were able to hit a fast speed, but unless I had a thana I was not doing crazy damage. I see snipers doing 50 k a hit, spaming focus shot and I mean with no delay or at least a tenth of a second delay.. how am I supposed to be able to counter that when the class cant out spam someone whose intensely strong?

I started this cause I know just like jameslamela i'm upset by the fact I don't really see GS anymore. and its because the class's desperado cast delay was nerfed. I mean in reality you could at least meet us 50/50 and bring us somewhat close to what we had, and I saw write ups of how to come close to that, but that leaves us vunerable to take even more damage seeing as we don't have huge HP. I also saw that this was temporary but if its been what 4-5 months? is that really? all i'm asking is the GM's to look over the the server and see what I mean by our cast delay, and see us pvp. im not trying to cause a fight, or argue with anyone, I just know I was able to hold my own against plenty of thana users thanks to the cast delay, now its impossible.

Then you're doing something wrong. I know at least two GS who can deal 15k hits on their GS even on the current situation. Also the spam is really good enough at the moment. I dont see GS only getting owned in for field except for some noobs.

You guys make GS seem weaker than it actually is. Sure it's not as strong as before, but tbh GS was op before the nerf. You just dont want to realize it because it's your mainclass.

Also please at least try to bring actual suggestions as in

-cast delay redux or

-HP increase or

-dmg redux or

Whatever you can think of, but what are the GMs supposed to do if you're not specific in your suggestions?

also I did, I asked for the cast delay redux to be lifted from the kiel card if you read the end of my first post.

[Rayray]

you even say it yourself, you have to be geared or even worse have a thanatos, and most players cant say that have one. also I do not disagree on the woe, yes I played many wars, and ill agree the lag from the desp was intense. and sometimes horrible. i'm also not saying that Gs are useless but during pvp my class has such a disadvantage compared to professors, snipers, and sinx. I thought all classes were supposed to be slightly even, we were able to hit a fast speed, but unless I had a thana I was not doing crazy damage. I see snipers doing 50 k a hit, spaming focus shot and I mean with no delay or at least a tenth of a second delay.. how am I supposed to be able to counter that when the class cant out spam someone whose intensely strong?

I started this cause I know just like jameslamela i'm upset by the fact I don't really see GS anymore. and its because the class's desperado cast delay was nerfed. I mean in reality you could at least meet us 50/50 and bring us somewhat close to what we had, and I saw write ups of how to come close to that, but that leaves us vunerable to take even more damage seeing as we don't have huge HP. I also saw that this was temporary but if its been what 4-5 months? is that really? all i'm asking is the GM's to look over the the server and see what I mean by our cast delay, and see us pvp. im not trying to cause a fight, or argue with anyone, I just know I was able to hold my own against plenty of thana users thanks to the cast delay, now its impossible.

also I did, I asked for the cast delay redux to be lifted from the kiel card if you read the end of my first post.

Every class has to be geared to be decent, I said that on my post. Snipers hitting 50k are GEARED. And stop wearing GR armor against them. I do 12k each hit of desperado on legendary gun and without the use of ship captain hat. Desperado damage hasn't changed, the delay did a little. The classes that hit hard(snipers, sinx, profs,LK) are always like that, but those classes has specific counters to them and cards that are easily gained to protect against them. Noxious is one that reduces sniper's damage, but that card do not work against GS since desperado is considered melee. Puppetring makes snipers remove their ship captain hat as well.

I suggested a few things about this but almost NONE OF THE GS agreed and just continued to whine. I suggested that since Desperado is the main reason for the nerf, why not just give desperado a specific delay cap but not the other skills. That way desperado is delayed a little bit but rapid shower isn't. That is the best solution I can see on the problem BUT almost no one agreed and just continued on spamming on the forums about how GS is so underpowered now, completely disregarding the reason for the nerf. And again, GS is far from being underpowered, use a wizard first to know what is underpowered.

Edited December 29, 2013 by Rayray

[plok123]

Why whine my friends? if you compare it to other classes, it's not really that bad, think about how bad it was before the nerf.. it was just good for you guys coz it was YOUR class, then with just a little change, you go berzerk..

[seanchris16]

I just believe that at least for pvp, the class has become underpowered.. the cast delay really kills the class for me(and I am not the only one) desp is the main attack of the GS, yes we have rapid shower, but that's not anywhere near as good as desp. my damage has been great, but I know every gunslinger wants the cast delay to be reversed to what it was.

[seanchris16]

I just want at least this to be reviewed by the gms, everyone has a valid opinion, my opinion is at least meet us half way and help a tiny bit with the cast delay. I know the class isn't exactly the most popular, but for me there is no other class.

[plok123]

Back to what it was? Lol