Removing The Reducts On The Stalker Sb/ Legendary Stalker Bow

[Rayray]

Ok, I think i am gonna get a lot of fire on this topic since almost everyone wants to use stalker now.

As the topic says, I want to suggest to completely remove the reducts part of the stalker sb and legendary stalker bow. I find it stupid really. I know we already implemented some changes regarding the poring tower hat, but I believe that really isn't the issue.

The real issue is that the stalker bow is already one handed and yet it gives reducts. just having the stalker sb and friggs/king shield with usakoring gives a lot of reducts already. we removed poring tower hat for them, but there are still a few headgears they can use to have reducts(feather beret for instance, or even poopoo hat), then they can use SGW/fluffy for more reducts. add skull aura to the mix too. and for the finale, tao gunka card gives them 50% more hp.

There's no real need to put reducts on a one handed weapon. if it was two handed like before, sure. but that isn't the case now.

[zergling]

+1 stalkers have way too much reductions as it is which is the main problem with the bow itself not the fact that they can use all these different headgears because anyone can it's the fact that they are able to achieve such high resist and still put out that massive damage.

[Veracity]

The bow only gives I believe 10% reductions. We cannot significantly change weapons that people have donated for, so you'll have to suggest something else. We can make it so the reductions don't stack with other things (e.g., it doesn't stack with Poring Tower hat anymore.)

[Rayray]

the bow reduces 20%. add usakoring king shield (55%) and you got 75% with just the weapon and shield. let's say he wore poopoo hat, that's 85%. then sacred wing. 95% reducts. in fact, stalker SB, usakoring king shield and sacred wings, you are pretty much nearly unkillable.

we cannot make the bow not stack with king shield because that defeats the purpose. i dont want the stalkers to be hindered, i just dont want them to have godlike reducts.

to be honest, if we cannot change the bow like that since people donated for it, i do not know what to do, unless we change usakoring effect for stalkers.

[Genesis]

We can make it so those things do not stack with stalker.

[Veracity]

The bow actually only does 15%, so we both were close. :) IMO no reduction headgears should stack with the weapon since it was designed to be worn with the Valkyrie/Imperial helms. So that would be around 80% max...

[zergling]

even 80% is really high for a stalker that can put out some hard damage on top of strip and a copied skill, and lets not forget chasewalk which with 2 GTB is a pain in the butt to pull them out of unless you have a marine sphere or are an LK or pally...

[thePast]

Well, there's poo poo hat,beret, feather beret, ghostring hat ( they give reduction ).

[Rayray]

it does 15%? so the token shop description is a little wrong then? we should fix that, people might get confused.

most people can get 65% total reducts (usakoring king shield + fluffy wings) not counting skull aura.. i do wish that stalkers can get a maximum of that reducts as well. if what gen said is true, than that would be great. it's already a pain to kill stalkers with their evasive skills. now if you did catch them, your damage is so low you will tend to give up.

I deal Acid bomb damage with normally 1.8k to 2.3k on people with gr and dual raydrics. on stalker with reducts, i deal 400. really seem so OP in my opinion, and I am thankful that no stalker has one of the ring that has the reducts yet.

[Dudu]

Plus, Not only the equips gives them redux, theres also some cards that makes them even tankier. Theres cards to reduce magic dmg, so they could go 99% magic redux if they want, there is something even deeper that we have to do with stalkers.

[Rayray]

It will be fine if stalkers cannot damage well if they go tank build. but stalkers can deal great damage while having tons of reducts, and as dudu said, not only the reducts effect of gears, they can put some cards in too. also, as I mentioned, they have high hp nowadays since tao gives them 50% more which is ironic given their reducts.

[zergling]

yea i hit a stalker using full reduct gear and i only did 150k and he tanked it like it was nothing. since when does a stalker tank a full asura without using a ghostring when every other class needs a ghostring or else they get completely butt raped.

[Rayray]

^ my creator can't even tank a full asura without gr and dual ray/devs. Seriously, this has gotta be fixed or else everyone will play stalker and no one will die.

[zergling]

agreed the reductions that a stalker can have are way too high for the class and it's potential. when you think about it it's not hard for a stalker to copy a skill such as acid demonstration or another skill like bowling bash and simply spam it with the reductions that they can have, especially for a stalker with acid demonstration because they can force ghostring which allows the stalker to use immaterial arrows and deal 200% more damage.

[zxcv]

Ok.. As a stalker... these redux is ridiculously high! with flee+gtb builds your immortal!

so +1

But on side note: Melee builds pls.

[Veracity]

Guys, it's only productive to post here if you actually, you know, suggest what we can do about it. Saying how high their redux is over and over again isn't really helpful at all. We already know there's a problem. If there are cards they're using to get magic reduction, why don't you tell us the name(s) of the problematic cards (you can do it via PM) so we can actually do something about it. Want them to only have x% of reducts? Suggest how we can achieve that. After all, this is a suggestion forum, not rant and rave. :) Thanks!

[thePast]

Imo, since the Stalker SB gives 15% reduction, we should make it so that SGW/LSGW/Colored SGW and Skull aura doesn't stack with it.

This way it might be fair for other classes(?).

Card to get magic reduction : angeling card, since they give you holy property armor, they have 25% reduction to ALL elements EXCEPT Undead property, not sure if there's more.

P.s : does stack mean it works? or the other way around? :\

[masterneil]

Actally my stalker do 70 percent redux with stalker fbow knight set lsgw and poring.tower

And with 70 percent redux full asura can 1 hit me

And I think these stalker good redux is not a problem like their gears arent cheap

See stalkers with skull aura friggs and no stack with ptower anymore

Skull aura is 60 dollars or 1k ++ tokens I think with that prices its ok to have that kind of redux

So -1 for this:( even sometimes I hate redux stalker but they deserve it with the prices:)

[Veracity]

If the reduction stacks, they all add up, if it doesn't, then the reduction of x item won't work with other certain items that we specify.

[zergling]

IMO remove the reductions that the soaring bow gives it's retarted that a stalker can roll 80% demi resist and simply tank asura like it's nothing. how is this fair to any other classes who have to actually use GR+raydrics to tank asura when they can simply just walk around dealing 16k+ with double strafe and other skills on top of moving faster than sinx with the backslide spam, and to top it all off they can tank asura with tao+detale. i mean seriously this makes no sense to have them walk around with all the reductions they get from the gear.

understandable that the gear is expensive but it's expensive for everyone, and yet other classes with these gears still require GR+raydrics to tank asura not tao+detale.

[Dudu]

Want solutions ? Read.

Remove the effects of elemental redux cards to Stalker ( Angeling, Firering, Aquaring, Myst cards )

Remove the effects of ranged redux card ( Noxious Card )

Remove the redux on the Soaring Bow ( Is it me or this is the only wep that has redux? )

Remove the use of all the demihuman redux UPPER headgears ( Poopoo hat, poring tower, some beret that they are using right now, etc )

Theres alot of things that needs to get balanced with stalker, but this are the ones that comes to my head right now,

READ carefully, and if you disagree with one of them, quote them and give a PROPER argument of why you dont agree with it.

Thanks,

[zergling]

the elemental reductions aren't such a big deal simply because if they want to swap garments to resist that then it's easy to just swap the element and force them to garment swap again. the problem is the bow is giving 15% reduction to demi humans once that's fixed then it won't be a big deal anymore. the fact that they are using reduction gears in upper headgear simply means they are forced to use detale or else they freeze. but the problem is that currently even if they freeze they still tank an asura. sorry but when a pally freezes they don't even tank asura. there's a problem here.

[Rayray]

I know we cant really change the effect of the bow outright. but that's really the problem. as far as I know, it is the only weapon with reducts that high. cant we just put something else in there ( a new effect) instead of the reducts?

@masternei it's not the price, all classes cost that much. hell, if i get my creator skull aura, cape, jrage, urds earrings, I will have a nearly fully geared creator that costs more or less the same as those reducts stalkers and I still won't have that reducts. and even with all those things, as a creator, I will still be killable, and like zergling mentioned, most classes need gr and tao to survive asura. stalkers practically don't. again, zergling mentioned that most reducts stalkers don't even die to asura even frozen. that just further proves that they do not need GR to survive asura.

Bottomline, if the reducts on the bow is removed or doesn't stack with usakoring and thara frog card. it won't be a problem. since 15% from bow, + 20% from king/friggs, + 10% from sacred wings + 10% from feather beret or poopoo hat = 55% reducts, same with most people having just the usakoring king shield. Now would stalkers want that? NO, OF COURSE NOT. So we really cannot make the solution "bow not stacking with anything else". Just change the effect to something else, just not demi human reduction.

[thePast]

Remove the redux on the Soaring Bow ( Is it me or this is the only wep that has redux? )

The bow only gives I believe 10% reductions. We cannot significantly change weapons that people have donated for, so you'll have to suggest something else. We can make it so the reductions don't stack with other things (e.g., it doesn't stack with Poring Tower hat anymore.)

As for the other thing, Dudu suggestions seems good. :)

Remove the effects of elemental redux cards to Stalker ( Angeling, Firering, Aquaring, Myst cards )

Remove the effects of ranged redux card ( Noxious Card )

Remove the use of all the demihuman redux UPPER headgears ( Poopoo hat, poring tower, some beret that they are using right now, etc )

[Rayray]

^ even if we do that, 15% from bow, 55% from usakoring king shield + sacred wing will give them 80% reducts. still pretty high actually.

Their reducts is really becoming the problem. If there is some kind of backlash to it :(like if they get all those reducts but their hp becomes low), we might be able to do something then. but with their high hp and high reducts and their damage, it is becoming really ridiculous.