HealHard Posted August 28, 2012 Report Posted August 28, 2012 Well after the latest serverside changes it became impossible to spam with 3 kiels. I suggest to boost kiel effect to make it spammable on 3 kiels, cus using 4 completely ruins the pvp balance. thanks. 2
Drax Posted August 28, 2012 Report Posted August 28, 2012 pretty much have to decide between 3 kiels with horrible spam or 4 kiels with good spam and being killed by puppetring stone curse asura. I have tested on close to EVERY class and the only skill i have found that you can spam decent with 3 kiels is double strafe. At this point its pretty much like trying to kill somebody with the HP of a highrate server but the spam of a lowrate server 1
Rayray Posted August 28, 2012 Report Posted August 28, 2012 anybody else tested the spam of Firebolts with 3 kiels and expert rings? i dont see much difference from mine, but that might just be me
Drax Posted August 28, 2012 Report Posted August 28, 2012 i've tested it and the spam with double bolt is like spamming without double bolt, you need close to 4 kiels to spam close to anything. i've tested it and the spam with double bolt is like spamming without double bolt, you need close to 4 kiels to spam close to anything.
Rayray Posted August 28, 2012 Report Posted August 28, 2012 i thought it only affects BN and sprite editors(as genesis mentioned)?
Drax Posted August 28, 2012 Report Posted August 28, 2012 yes but somehow the effect of kiel got messed up aswell its pretty much 4 kiels = 3, 3 kiels = 2 and so on
HealHard Posted August 28, 2012 Author Report Posted August 28, 2012 i thought it only affects BN and sprite editors(as genesis mentioned)? it came out that it affects everyone.
masterneil Posted August 28, 2012 Report Posted August 28, 2012 PLS MAKE NORMAL THE KIEL EFFECT CAUSE THIS THING IS STARTING TO MAKE ME THING "OMG I WANNA QUIT THIS SERVER" 4 KIEL SUX AND MAYAP CANT BE PUTTED ANY WHERE AND ITS NOT EASY TO FIND BOX OF SUNLIGHT, AND YEAH MANY PLAYERS COMPLAIN ABOUT 4 KIELS, THIS SERVER IS SO BAD IF U CANT NORMAL THIS 3 KIEL EFFECT ITS SUX!-_- I COMPLAINED BADLY ABOUT THIS KIEL EFFECT MUCH MORE THAN GTB EFFECT.... .|.
Genesis Posted August 28, 2012 Report Posted August 28, 2012 4 kiels give you 120% which scales to 100%. From a 4th kiel, you get a 10% difference which is minimal. I'm not really considering any skill delay suggestions till a few days pass and more testing is done. This topic was made 2 and a half hours after the change. For those of you (masterneil) who are just being 10 year olds about it, I am just ignoring your post. On the subject of who this affects, client-side delay matches server-side delay 100%. You spam as fast as you normally could pre-sprite edit. I would honestly give it more time. I am open to suggestions on new cards (not delay reducing cards) that can help reassert certain classes. Thanks for your suggestion! 1
Rayray Posted August 28, 2012 Report Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) PLS MAKE NORMAL THE KIEL EFFECT CAUSE THIS THING IS STARTING TO MAKE ME THING "OMG I WANNA QUIT THIS SERVER" 4 KIEL SUX AND MAYAP CANT BE PUTTED ANY WHERE AND ITS NOT EASY TO FIND BOX OF SUNLIGHT, AND YEAH MANY PLAYERS COMPLAIN ABOUT 4 KIELS, THIS SERVER IS SO BAD IF U CANT NORMAL THIS 3 KIEL EFFECT ITS SUX!-_- I COMPLAINED BADLY ABOUT THIS KIEL EFFECT MUCH MORE THAN GTB EFFECT.... .|. Not easy to find box of sunlight?! wow. FYI Maya purple wasn't really the issue to classes that needs kiel. i know most clowns has 3kiels+ soldier card. Im sorry but the only class I know that you use is your sinx, i don't even know why you are complaining about GTB and kiels. I agree with Gen for now. I think we should give it more time. granted that the only character I use my kiels is prof and I dunno, im not really that bothered by it so my opinion might be a little bias. @Genesis correct me if I am wrong, but before I quit, I seem to remember the server adding delay to certain skills, namely Sonic Blow. I remember I had to use expert rings + 3kiels on them before. If there was some kind of added delay, how were they affected? UPDATE ON THE SONIC BLOW: seems a little slow with 3 kiels + expert rings+ Link, but manageable in my opinion Edited August 28, 2012 by ZerO25
HealHard Posted August 28, 2012 Author Report Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) 3 kiels are not what they used to be 2.5 hours before this topic was made. it is actually impossible to spam on three but it was possible before the patch. i do not use breakneck or sprite edit. but i cant spam on 3, like i used to. using 4 kiels solves the problem. it was NOT like that before. 4 kiel strategy will kill pvping cus Stone Curse era will come. All i want is to get kiel effect to that it was before the change. Edited August 28, 2012 by HealHard
Levis Posted August 28, 2012 Report Posted August 28, 2012 If HealHard is speaking the truth, I'd strongly support this suggestion. As Genesis announced, it shall ONLY affect the BN and Sprite Edit users, but if something got messed up with the Kiels then this won't affect only the BN and Sprite Edit users, it will affect us all. So, either something got messed up and it needs to be fixed OR we have to increase the Kiel effect slightly to achieve the same as 4 Kiels (~100% After-Cast-Delay reduction). For example: 1 Kiel doing 33,33 / 33,34 or just 34% in order to ensure we are able to spam as before. But this only applies if something got messed up with the after-cast-delay and or Kiel Card 1
Mint Posted August 28, 2012 Report Posted August 28, 2012 (edited) I like it as it is at the moment to be honest. Sniper's are forced to use DS instead of FAS against people with Fsoldier, making them not as overpowered as before, but still doing decent damage with DS. Clown's need a little boost so that they can spam better with 3 kiels (maybe a valkyrie weapon boost (10%)), SB Sinx's might need a little boost also (20% on kitty claws instead of 10%). With this update Sniper's don't overpower the server anymore & they actually have a weakness like all other classes. But maybe this should be in a different suggestion post Edited August 28, 2012 by Mint
HealHard Posted August 28, 2012 Author Report Posted August 28, 2012 100 % this is whats happening. gvh got 2 kiels while captain hat only one. thats what happens
Mint Posted August 28, 2012 Report Posted August 28, 2012 Who's that pro champ?! ~ :P On topic: 3 kiels forces snipers to use DS instead of FAS. Which I think is good as DS still does decent damage. Therefore sniper's must sacrifice their Maya P for the FAS damage boost
masterneil Posted August 28, 2012 Report Posted August 28, 2012 so.. healhard was thana will be mine huh... yeah im a warper there... and healhard how can u take video of that? using cam? or wat?
Cookiezzzz Posted August 29, 2012 Report Posted August 29, 2012 I have never noticed a problem with the Kiels ._. Is it my ping?
Genesis Posted August 29, 2012 Report Posted August 29, 2012 Just so you know know, another tweak has been made making a few skills a bit more spamable. We will tweak future skills as needed. =] 1
HealHard Posted August 29, 2012 Author Report Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) now i cant spam FAS even on 4 kiels. and DS became unspammable too. edit : champions cant even zen-fury-zen now fast, not only asura. Edited August 29, 2012 by HealHard
Rayray Posted August 29, 2012 Report Posted August 29, 2012 i wanna hear from the clowns in our community though.. BTW, isn't DS supposedly gets it's delay from your aspd? so if you have 195 aspd, you should have little to no delay right? unless it was changed significantly
Danny Posted August 29, 2012 Report Posted August 29, 2012 lol I really like Mint's idea though, on implementation (or an Increase the %) of a " Reduction in all Skill Delays " in certain classes upon their Elite/Valk Weapons (It would only be fair to those who does not own a Valk Weapon would also get it from Elite Weapons) A little speed boost wouldn't hurt anybody, especially for some classes who really need it e.g. Clowns? Champs? Prof? Wizard? (Not sure but I would recommend Clowns though lol don't be mad D: )
Mint Posted August 29, 2012 Report Posted August 29, 2012 Dunno what's going on atm, Champ's cant spam anything, yesterday they were able to fine though. Can't Spam fury properly, or Throw Spirit Sphere, but good news, the rate that you can palm push since yesterday has increased.. yay....
Rayray Posted August 29, 2012 Report Posted August 29, 2012 everything is delayed i guess. add that to my ping(which sometimes delay movement). Haven't tried my sonic blow yet, but I think it sucks now.
