Ryuk Posted June 7, 2011 Report Posted June 7, 2011 2: Yes but since they can only have 1 Fset you couldn't be able to change so you would know the whole time if they had Orc Lords on and could simply Tss them instead i don't think people will just suicide but if it becomes a problem it can be changed. Alright it shouldn't cause as much problems if they are both disqualified immediately without any more rounds held. So it could work.
Seraphine Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) That wasn't what i meant but that could work as well,what i meant to say was that since it will be a best of 5 that fight would result in a tie what do you think?Which would work better in your opinion? Edited June 7, 2011 by Seraphine
Ryuk Posted June 7, 2011 Report Posted June 7, 2011 Well the problem is... If it's a tie what will happen to the score ? Both will get a "win" ? So lets say if it's the first fight. it starts with 0-0. Champ asuras someone else both die. What will happen to the score ? If you leave it at 0-0 it could last forever and the champion would just asura as soon as he'd be out of yggs. Just so he can restock and start over again. However if you make it 1-1 fights will tie unlimitedly as well. Since the reflect happens once champs know the opposite player wont be able to survive asura again (cause the enemy cant change gears). And since they cant change gears he can just asura at any moment when getting low on yggs, knowing it will end in a tie. It's possible to keep the best of 5 with this but it will take a lot of time with all the ties. On top of that we have to make sure players can NOT switch between gears between rounds else the reflect can be abused, hard.
Seraphine Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Posted June 7, 2011 If they keep doing that more than once then they will be disqualified because that is rather cheap.
nines Posted June 7, 2011 Report Posted June 7, 2011 This is stupid so many people don't like the idea for valid reasons and the people who like the idea make half ass reasons plus theirs way to many problems with the format fitting this server anyways.
Seraphine Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) This is stupid so many people don't like the idea for valid reasons and the people who like the idea make half ass reasons plus theirs way to many problems with the format fitting this server anyways. Half ass reasons? Most of the people here agree with the idea,and you have like 3 people who are agreeing with you? Just because you personally troll everyone and anyone doesn't mean you can come troll here when your the one who's not even giving a valid reason.Problems format fitting the server? Let the scripters decide that. Edited June 7, 2011 by Seraphine
Sorrow Posted June 8, 2011 Report Posted June 8, 2011 This is stupid so many people don't like the idea for valid reasons and the people who like the idea make half ass reasons plus theirs way to many problems with the format fitting this server anyways.^ Upon reviewing each reply on the topic and going so far as counting posts and people...i came to the shocking conclusion 3 people disliked the idea VS 16 who liked. 1 of the people who disliked is you, the other two just said 'i agree with nines'. So, the 'so many people' is 3 vs 16...and the 'valid reasons' are your own...i'd call the above quoted statement a bit of bias of your part...but you may disagree with me xD And here's my counter vs 'valid reasons' :3 *1-Many ways to randomly generate it, and prove it was randomly generated, as others proposed. *2 & 3-The discussion is working around it, take part and you may be able help to solve. *4 & 5-Everyone gets one FCP in the start(said in the first post of Sera if you actually read it all o---o) after that you may use strips if you survive enough. That seems fair enough. *7-nonsense doesn't really count as 'valid reason' *8-Sera is proposing solutions to that. (Tip; reading posts fully can sometimes be benefitial to understand what's being proposed seeing as skimming might hide important details from your attention. Just a hint tho, you may disregard/skim/TD;DR this ;D) *9-The innitiative of bringing new things to entertain us with is nowhere near 'dumb', you should know; you suggested interesting ideas yourself(which i also liked BTW) in the same attempt. @Topic; the fixed gear problem might be a huge issue; switching gears is part of basic survival, and problem such as bringing skolls to fight a champ might not be the best predicament of the world...and being forced to use Ghostring against a Sniper or Gypsy isn't the best either. Given Solution; permission to have a limit 2~3 pieces plus whatever's equipped. In like, the participant gets to choose 3 additional pieces to switch to. It may be a combination of a spare shield, spare armor & a secondary weapon, just as an exemple. So the participant has 2~3 'slots' to put in spare equipment s/he might need. It might screw up strategy and the element of 'surprize' and bluffs(mind games are a great part of winning 1 on 1 matches) if there's no possible gear switching at all. @Orc Lord; got reflected both get a win, in a best of 3 match, 2 ties or one tie after each got a victory is a disqualification(2 vs 2 which is 4 in a best of 3), best of 5 follows the same formula, nothing to it ^^
nines Posted June 8, 2011 Report Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) You know how many times this suggestion has been shot down? A ton and by people with a lot better ideas. Its simply because its a GM and that its this GM that their is so many post. If anyone else posted what do you think would happen. And don't even give me crap like its not because of who he his. I already have a 100% valid reason for saying this. =.= Im not saying the idea is stupid. I'd love for a 1v1 competition and all that but it just won't work with the way this servers pvp items and class unbalances are. If your going to go through with it fine. Just wait and see keep your eye looking on your own view and be like "I like this so im going to make it happen even if i have to spout verbal crap out of my mouth" Genesis' shield idea works well for keeping class balance....sort off. No one has thought of the idea of idk maybe adding new cards just for the event? Like maybe a card that reduces 80% magic damage? its not 100% so they can still maybe do like 900 damage a bolt and spam + double bolt or be able to keep them kited away with JT and quagmire all that stuff. Yes coma....so what? like you guys are saying its an ability and it should be allowed.....(but then why make an exception to gtb its a card also and it should be used) If thats what you were going to reply. Your one of the people i already pointed out. Edited June 8, 2011 by nines
TensaZangetsu Posted June 8, 2011 Report Posted June 8, 2011 i do kind of agree that if a gm post a suggestion they'll have more agrees then some other person..usual say it how i see it, no hard feeling though
Mint Posted June 8, 2011 Report Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) You know how many times this suggestion has been shot down? A ton and by people with a lot better ideas. Its simply because its a GM and that its this GM that their is so many post. If anyone else posted what do you think would happen. And don't even give me crap like its not because of who he his. I already have a 100% valid reason for saying this. =.= I completely disagree with what you stated, I and i'm sure others would have thought that this Idea was good regardless of the poster + people would have still posted their idea's and thoughts on the matter. As you can see from past accepted suggestions that 99% of idea's have been posted by regular players. I find it unusual that you of all people said that "It's simply because its a GM and that its this GM that their is so many post" as your accepted suggestion on the "Real forsaken dungeon" had a total of 70 replies. But everyone has their opinions, and this is mine. Reason for edit: Correct Wording Edited June 8, 2011 by Baby Mint
nines Posted June 8, 2011 Report Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) The only reason theirs that many replies is 1. A bunch are from me. 2. I asked for ideas. 3. I put a ton of work into all of my ideas consider all side effects make sure itd be balanced come up with the ideas of problems before they show up and counter them. And because I also did the same thing our GM did. I asked for people to comment on it. But unlike you guys when he asked me I didn't get on all fours. I saw problems with it. And put up valid reasons up to about when I started trolling because i get tired of forcing logic into dense people. And Like I said up top people replied with "im going to defend this even if i have to spout verbal crap" And thats totally aside from the point. You know how things in the real world get accepted? Like how i've been doing it (not being cocky its a true fact) its not you put out an idea and thats it. You find the problems you find the bugs you try to cover them up you try to make it into a perfect presentation before you even bring it up to the board. Example: 1v1 tournament will be a good idea to bring a lot more activity to people (granted it will be for only the geared players) but will also add appeal to the server as a unique feature and hopefully pull in more active players striving to participate in this event. I understand their will be a lot of balancing problems with this idea but we should be willing to open controversial topics to make this happen. *(Hence what I did with the new card for this event )* It's called working like how people do in the real business world (and game creation world). And Xt0pher you should better than anyone here understand this format seeing how your going to be a business man. If people would call them selves out on their own ideas it brings more appeal to their topic. and maybe I'd be able to hop on to it instead of this stuff like. I've got an idea I must share it with the world and If you don't like it im going to just get more people to retaliate against you. (much like religion) Edited June 8, 2011 by nines
Ryuk Posted June 8, 2011 Report Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) Alright well first off all. I post in nearly every single suggestion thread. GM or not does not make a single bit of difference to me. So your accusations make little sense to me. Second, But unlike you guys when he asked me I didn't get on all fours. I saw problems with it. And put up valid reasons up to about when I started trolling because i get tired of forcing logic into dense people. And Like I said up top people replied with "im going to defend this even if i have to spout verbal crap" If you would've payed attention , it would've been clear that quite some other people saw problems with it. HOWEVER they are here to give constructive criticism and trying to fix these problems, bugs w/e you want to call them, instead of starting to uselessly troll a topic. Your accusation on "im going to defend this even if i have to spout verbal crap" is based on completely nothing. So it's not really proving any point. You know how things in the real world get accepted? Some idea's in the real world get shot down, some are considered, some get accepted immediately. Yet all are presented in the first place. As for any proper idea/suggestion it's open for change and additions. Nowhere in this topic was stated that you were not allowed to suggest additional things to balance out classes more for this event. That's pretty much what everyone has been trying to do in the first place. You could've suggested adding such a card earlier in this topic instead of starting to troll the suggestion instead. If you don't like it im going to just get more people to retaliate against you. (much like religion) I have not seen any statements regarding "Hey this is my suggestion, nothing will change about it. Like it or gtfo". There has been no retaliation either. People post their opinions and they will tell what they are basing their opinion on. You have your opinion, they have theirs. If they disagree with you it doesn't mean they are retaliating against you. Hence most of them had obvious arguements why they disagreed with your statements. Edited June 8, 2011 by Ryuk
nines Posted June 8, 2011 Report Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) ^ if it makes little sense to you. then why do you think you can reply to it? seems like the whole thing don't make sense to you. and your proving my point further. why only talk about the card as a weapon against my point ^ didn't you say people aren't doing that? you just did ^^. Why not comment on how you disagree with it or why you agree with it? is it good? is it bad? for what reasons. And yes i'm aware their is fixes going in on the thread but people still trying to keep shit all shiny for their own ideas of how the event will work for them (though it seems other wise) If i wasn't aware of the changes being presented why would I bring up genesis' post on the shields? some like some don't like it. I added onto his suggestion did I not? Ah I miss talking back to the people who others don't even have the balls to talk back to :) its fun to see what other people say lol Edited June 8, 2011 by nines
Ryuk Posted June 8, 2011 Report Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) ^ if it makes little sense to you. then why do you think you can reply to it? seems like the whole thing don't make sense to you. I'm free to reply to anything I wish to reply to. You're accusing lots of people in this topic based on completely nothing. So it makes no sense, not to me or anyone else. and your proving my point further. why only talk about the card as a weapon against my point ^ didn't you say people aren't doing that? you just did ^^. Why not comment on how you disagree with it or why you agree with it? is it good? is it bad? for what reasons. I'm not using any of your statements as a "weapon" against your "point" I'm merely stating that randomly trolling a topic is useless and that you COULD actually contribute normally to this topic by suggesting things such as the shield card. If you disagree with this suggestion then you disagree, that's alright. But it's very childish to go back to the topic just to start trolling about "So many people hate this" kind of crap that is based on absolutely no proof since there's only 3 people in the topic disagreeing with adding it. Just tell me what exactly is the use of posting This is stupid so many people don't like the idea for valid reasons and the people who like the idea make half ass reasons plus theirs way to many problems with the format fitting this server anyways. ? And yes i'm aware their is fixes going in on the thread but people still trying to keep shit all shiny for their own ideas of how the event will work for them And you're basing this on ? The chance of me actually joining this event is lets say... 5% ? I don't PvP that often anymore , I'm merely trying to make this server more attractive for people to play. And IF the event would be implemented I'd like it to be as balanced as possible. Ah I miss talking back to the people who others don't even have the balls to talk back to :) its fun to see what other people say lol I don't recall anyone backing off from responding to me. People don't have any reason at all to back off hence why they do quote me back most of the time, so once again you're making assumptions based on absolutely nothing. o.o; One way or another, I'm not here to flood a suggestion topic with a useless arguement. If you feel the need to argue you can PM me. Regards, Ryuk Edited June 8, 2011 by Ryuk
Seraphine Posted June 8, 2011 Author Report Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) Alright you two, no more bickering.Keep on topic and suggest how you think the suggestion can be improved. Edited June 8, 2011 by Seraphine
Sorrow Posted June 8, 2011 Report Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) *Silver Thief Bug Card -Shield card. -Prefix; Bad hearing~ Ex: Bad Hearing Frigg's Shield. -Reduces 80% of magic damage dealt. Nullifies buffs over the user as well as other magic skills and status ailments.(yup coma and and dispell nullified, it is precisely why i wear GTB anyhows) Lame i know...but hey, that's what came to mind on that special card idea! Zeit once said FRO has the script to nerf GTB and its possible...so it tshould be posssible to make a new card which is just like a nerfed GTB ;D Edited June 8, 2011 by Sorrow
Seraphine Posted June 8, 2011 Author Report Posted June 8, 2011 For the event Gtb could be not allowed.And instead make that card available some how through a quest perhaps?
Genesis Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 @nines I'l be trying to post in all recent suggestions daily. @Sorrow Unfortunatly, with GTB its all or nothing. I am pretty sure you can't do "Nullifies buffs over the user as well as other magic skills and status ailment" and only have 80% reduction sadly =\
Seraphine Posted June 9, 2011 Author Report Posted June 9, 2011 (edited) Stop posting in this thread telling genesis to pm you,again Genesis went to sleep and is very busy during the day(writing exams/papers) Hiding your post because that's yet another time you have went off topic and used this thread as your personal messenger. Edited June 9, 2011 by Seraphine
TensaZangetsu Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 (edited) well i sent him total 6 message in the past 2 months and never got any replies and this is like the first time he sent me message only cause i post here, so he good look at it and hopefully see the message and i've been extremely patient cause i know he's really busy. Edited June 9, 2011 by TensaZangetsu
Sorrow Posted June 10, 2011 Report Posted June 10, 2011 @nines I'l be trying to post in all recent suggestions daily. @Sorrow Unfortunatly, with GTB its all or nothing. I am pretty sure you can't do "Nullifies buffs over the user as well as other magic skills and status ailment" and only have 80% reduction sadly =\ That's unfortunate, so much for thatt idea xD well then i guess just having coma immunity along with the magic reduction? is it possible to be immune to coma other than nullifiying attacks with mental properties? Dispell is a problem but we can survive it, but coma...not so much.
Ryuk Posted June 10, 2011 Report Posted June 10, 2011 (edited) That's unfortunate, so much for thatt idea xD well then i guess just having coma immunity along with the magic reduction? is it possible to be immune to coma other than nullifiying attacks with mental properties? Dispell is a problem but we can survive it, but coma...not so much. I think it is possible to make it so GTB gives immunity to several status ailments and give reduction to magic damage, However every status ailment would have to be added manually and I'm not sure if immunity to buffs can be given in any way but I'm afraid not. It would be a complete rework on the actual card and nothing like the current script. o.o Edited June 10, 2011 by Ryuk
Sorrow Posted June 10, 2011 Report Posted June 10, 2011 Then i guess 80% magic damage reduction + coma immunity is enough ^^ no need to immunity to any other ailment, just coma is OP, its like...instant kill.
Genesis Posted June 10, 2011 Report Posted June 10, 2011 I think it is possible to make it so GTB gives immunity to several status ailments and give reduction to magic damage, However every status ailment would have to be added manually and I'm not sure if immunity to buffs can be given in any way but I'm afraid not. It would be a complete rework on the actual card and nothing like the current script. o.oThat might work, Are there any items currently that do that?
