Xtopher Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 I really like the best 2 out of 3 idea. The bracket and map set up are nice. @Determination: Donation items are going to have to be allowed. The main purpose of the Valk weapon update was to bring class balance right? They should be allowed in the event. Some classes will be left behind if you don't allow donation items. (Keep in mind the Halloween hats are donation as well) This may actually work.
Ryuk Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 (edited) 1 : The invisible walls. Possibly, seen it done before. Even though we'd have to be careful with the freedom of the arena (aka snap and highjump issues due to the walls) + possible bug spots like our current PvP arena has (Specially with arrow repel and smite, you can get stuck out of the arena or inside the wall atm). 2 : best out of 3 bracket is fine :3. 3 : Prices are fine as well. 4 : Just 1 gear set.. I'm not sure. Some classes will benefit from this way more than others. Edited June 6, 2011 by Ryuk
Genesis Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 We use the invisible wall script for the Colosseum right now. To my knowledge, you can't get stuck behind the stands anymore unless you @warp. Rules/regulations are far more important than the prices. Without the rules and regulations, there won't be any prizes xP *Edit* Also, because this event is viewed by anyone that wants to view it, the possibility of GM corruption isn't there. Who fights who at what time should be decided using a randomizer website.
Ryuk Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 I'm willing to test this with you :3. Cause I'm still frequently getting glitched within the collosseum arena (even though I don't pvp often anymore). Hence my concerns about the map setup. @warp is also disabled to and within the map so that's not the case either.
Genesis Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 I don't think this would be an issue because it's a rectangle, not a weird hexagon like the Colosseum.
Ryuk Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 Alright then. Point taken. Should be easier to cover indeed.
Mr. Masochist Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 I don't understand, do you mean to say it should be best out of 5? That seems like it would take a long time. In the NBA, if no one "sweeps" the other team (3-0) then it can go on till the 7th game. Is this what you mean? Best of 5 as in 3-2. So basically best to 3 I guess. I probably should have said that in the first place. Lol. Anyways, these could go on a long time even if you make the amount of rounds short. Fights can last up to 10+ minutes depending on how good the players are. A number of rounds instead of having just one would make it fair. I know some times I get small lag spikes fighting someone and I tend to die from them, or I hit the wrong key, etc. Works out flukes.
TensaZangetsu Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 Genesis i replied back to the message you sent me, reply back please!
Kittie Posted June 7, 2011 Report Posted June 7, 2011 What about if we spread the prizes in Donation and Non Donation and take away Aquaring Rs, to stay with something like this: Donation 1vs1 Tournament. Firering Rs: 6 1vs1 Donation Tournament Tokens. Red Emperium Aurora: 12 1vs1 Donation Tournament Tokens. Non Donation 1vs1 Tournament. Goldring Rs: 6 1vs1 Non Donation Tournament Tokens. Gold Emperium Aurora: 12 1vs1 Non Donation Tokens. Or something like that. I think it should be 12 for the rucksack, 24 for the emperium aura, but probably more. It doesn't make sense that the Black Emperium Aura should be so hard to get, and this event aura be that easy. Yes I know it will take a long time, but players should have to work for long term goals to increase participation every week in the event. I like the best 2 out of 3 thing - kind of like console fighting games. And I disagree with not allowing people to be able to reflect/suicide a Champion's Asura. I see Champions in LMS, PVP Laddering, WOE, and GVG all the time - a smart Champion tests the other player first using melee to determine what asura to use. If the Champion is bad enough to go in with a full asura before seeing if the other player is using reflect gear, then it's the Champion's fault and he should get eliminated for his mistake. Also, the opposing player should get eliminated as well since it was their decision to go in and risk their position in the event to take out another player. Going full reflect is a viable build and strategy and should be allowed. I have a question - do you have to enter in with a proposed class, or can you just enter and then see who you're paired against, and then decide the class (before knowing what they choose). I feel like that could lead to better matchups - if you are a well versed PVPer, then you should be able to predict what class your opponent will play.
Seraphine Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) Well i think 24 is a tad to much,winning won't be easy but i'll compromise 18 tokens for an emperium 12 for a ruck,it's not going to be easy to win.And i have to agree if both get killed from full reflect then both are disqualified .And I'm thinking you have to pick your class before because it would just take longer for people to decide so when the topic for it first opens you would enter the in game name of the character you want to participate with. Edited June 7, 2011 by Seraphine
TensaZangetsu Posted June 7, 2011 Report Posted June 7, 2011 Lets say if Champion and a Sinx was fighting and i kept using asura asura and asura and then all of a sudden dude wants to put 2x OL and suicide himself, wouldn't be fair right? But i could care less i don't play champion
Seraphine Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Posted June 7, 2011 As Kittie said champions should always test before they asura,and besides that sinx most likely wants to win so he wouldn't do that.
TensaZangetsu Posted June 7, 2011 Report Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) and how do I know if he didn't put them on right when i just tested? ol can be put on at anytime, so that means you could die at anytime, so what imma test every second of the duel? and they're people out there that suicide for the hell of it because they gotta go? or they want there friends to win? I dunno I'm just trying to be fair and was thinking you would understand but you obviously don't. Edited June 7, 2011 by TensaZangetsu
Seraphine Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Posted June 7, 2011 Yes but only 1 forsaken set is going to be allowed into the map so he would have Ols on the whole time or not at all. If he has defaulted 2 ols then you can just Tss him to death.
Kittie Posted June 7, 2011 Report Posted June 7, 2011 Only one forsaken set now? Does that include friggs shields or other types of armor? What happens if you want to use a GTB shield against a Tarot coma like everyone was saying, but want to use Usakoring against AV? I feel like armor switching is a big part of this game and pvp-ing skill...
Genesis Posted June 7, 2011 Report Posted June 7, 2011 Only one forsaken set now? Does that include friggs shields or other types of armor? What happens if you want to use a GTB shield against a Tarot coma like everyone was saying, but want to use Usakoring against AV? I feel like armor switching is a big part of this game and pvp-ing skill... We could (I think there are slots left) disable tarot inside that map.
Kittie Posted June 7, 2011 Report Posted June 7, 2011 I would still have to disagree with that...Tarot (unfortunately for some) is a major offensive and strategic skill of the Clown class. Most use it to pressure an opponent into using GTB and then following up with a string of arrow vulcans since the player is not expecting it and then incur a higher amount of damage due to the lack of reduction equipment at that moment. And it would inhibit the edge of the Clown SB Valkyrie bow as well. There isn't any other event that blocks the use of this skill in free-for-all environments so I don't think there should be one now.
Genesis Posted June 7, 2011 Report Posted June 7, 2011 If we allow any variation of two shields, then a bunch of classes won't participate (which is the opposite of what we want). This event will probably be held once a month, the final weekend of that month. It will probably span more than 1 day. You are going to be able to change equipment before/after a battle. Not while waiting for the next round however. *Edit* Upon consideration, those classes are going to be useless anyways if you can change equips before/after a match. Plus, people will just tell you what class is next. My suggestion would be to have 1 frigg/forsaken king shield and 1 elite shield (total of 2 shields).
Specter Posted June 7, 2011 Report Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) Sounds good, the idea of 2 shields to me Edited June 7, 2011 by Specter
Determination Posted June 7, 2011 Report Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) I really like the best 2 out of 3 idea. The bracket and map set up are nice. @Determination: Donation items are going to have to be allowed. The main purpose of the Valk weapon update was to bring class balance right? They should be allowed in the event. Some classes will be left behind if you don't allow donation items. (Keep in mind the Halloween hats are donation as well) This may actually work. Now that I think about it you're right, but I was practically aiming at a newbie-friendly event, in order to give them a chance. And also as far as I know Elite weapons were nerfed too, now with the halloween hats that's another issue... there can always be restrictions (Thana,valk weps,etc.) and there'd be no need to restrict the halloween hats for example. I'm just trying to help with my two cents, please correct me if I'm saying nonsense, I appreciate every criticism as long as it's respectful :P P.S: I'm not against an event with donation items allowed, I'm just suggesting it so there's 2 events, one with donations and other with some restrictions to help new players. Edited June 7, 2011 by Determination
Seraphine Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Posted June 7, 2011 Having 2 different events won't work to due the length of the event elite and valkyrie weapons should both be allowed as well.
TensaZangetsu Posted June 7, 2011 Report Posted June 7, 2011 GENESIS CHECK THE MESSAGE YOU SENT ME! ohhh 1 now?? ahh interesting....
Seraphine Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Posted June 7, 2011 He's not on right now,he's sleeping he'll answer you when he wakes up.
Ryuk Posted June 7, 2011 Report Posted June 7, 2011 Tensa please refrain from constantly asking Genesis to respond to your messages. This topic is not about your private messages it's about the pvp tournament. As for the topic. I really like the idea but there's a few things I'm really not sure about. 1: Gear restrictions : I understand we want to make this as "newbie-friendly" as possible. But restricting gears can also work counterproductive. For example a less geared person would only be able to survive asura while wearing a deviling card (just an example). This would mean he'd get instantly raped by FO because he cant switch to double immune or any other manteau. Now the more geared people could survive asura without the deviling card as they would only have a bigger advantage of the no gear switching thing. I think the 1 set thing with 2 shield could be worth a try though. 2: The asura/reflect thing. So if I get this correct. If in one of the fights the champ and the other person die at the same time they are both disqualified completely ?
Seraphine Posted June 7, 2011 Author Report Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) 2: Yes but since they can only have 1 Fset you couldn't be able to change so you would know the whole time if they had Orc Lords on and could simply Tss them instead i don't think people will just suicide but if it becomes a problem it can be changed. Edited June 7, 2011 by Seraphine
