Event Item Changes.

[ramonjordan]

eh i can kind of see why you would want to add the buffs but then its true what everyone else is saying how about settle for half? 5% walk speed reduction and 5% increase? that way everyone gets what they want and its not that much of a difference or maybe a 2% hp boost or something small.

[TensaZangetsu]

ill agree with 0.01% hp increase lmfao

[HealHard]

@HerLove When you got that ruck you know its the same effect as all others, right? then why did you spend your precious GvG certs on this useless item? You should make such topic when those rucks were released. And now your guild just dominates gvg so you want to sell these rucks OP. Good enough for you. Disagree.

[HerLove]

@HerLove When you got that ruck you know its the same effect as all others, right? then why did you spend your precious GvG certs on this useless item? You should make such topic when those rucks were released. And now your guild just dominates gvg so you want to sell these rucks OP. Good enough for you. Disagree.

Looks like you clearly read any of the posts made here except not really. The reason we dominate gvg is because people dont take part. This change is an incentive for people to take part in the event since the effort they put into it will reap more than just new coloured items. Read, attain some facts and knowledge, before you come here and post your neanderthal comments please.

Edited May 5, 2011 by HerLove

[TensaZangetsu]

@HerLove When you got that ruck you know its the same effect as all others, right? then why did you spend your precious GvG certs on this useless item? You should make such topic when those rucks were released. And now your guild just dominates gvg so you want to sell these rucks OP. Good enough for you. Disagree.

lmfao i think he trying to say why didn't you make the suggestion when you didn't have then item but now you make it when you have it and dominate GvG. Just my assumption so yaaa haha

[HerLove]

lmfao i think he trying to say why didn't you make the suggestion when you didn't have then item but now you make it when you have it and dominate GvG. Just my assumption so yaaa haha

Things have changed since that time. Some of the new rs have no walkspeed delay for example. Right now there is no competition for gvg which leads to one guild dominating it. If there was a real need for the gvg items then there would be competition for sure. This is just one point I raised in this long thread. Regardless if it is not changed and everything is left as is then said guild will continue to dominate gvg with no problems at all and then what "rich gets richer etc etc blah blah" (uncontested) ? At least I am trying to make it less one sided by trying to get some competition.

[HealHard]

Looks like you clearly read any of the posts made here except not really. The reason we dominate gvg is because people dont take part. This change is an incentive for people to take part in the event since the effort they put into it will reap more than just new coloured items. Read, attain some facts and knowledge, before you come here and post your neanderthal comments please.

I disagree with item change and I dont care about the reasons why your guild dominates GvG. Since most of players on server can not attend to GvG, rewards should not be overpowered. White and teal stuff is expensive already.

step one: suggest to make smth like euro-GvG. This attracts more people to GvG.

step two: suggest to make a NEW item that will be smth like a mega-ruck or w/e. Do not modify existing ones for obvious reasons.

Result : people have even abilities to get new awesome rewards. Nobody has those items yet and noone would be able to speculate on their price. Unless you have saved raw gvg certs.

Resume: I disagree with your ways of changing GvG rewards.

P.S. once more: YOU KNEW that you pay 8 certs for just a RUCK. And dont mix up Your personal wealth with needs of server. Most of people dont care about GvG. At least for now.

[HerLove]

I disagree with item change and I dont care about the reasons why your guild dominates GvG. Since most of players on server can not attend to GvG, rewards should not be overpowered. White and teal stuff is expensive already.

step one: suggest to make smth like euro-GvG. This attracts more people to GvG.

step two: suggest to make a NEW item that will be smth like a mega-ruck or w/e. Do not modify existing ones for obvious reasons.

Result : people have even abilities to get new awesome rewards. Nobody has those items yet and noone would be able to speculate on their price. Unless you have saved raw gvg certs.

Resume: I disagree with your ways of changing GvG rewards.

P.S. once more: YOU KNEW that you pay 8 certs for just a RUCK. And dont mix up Your personal wealth with needs of server. Most of people dont care about GvG. At least for now.

Do you know every persons schedule? Apparently you do since you know who can and cant attend gvg. First off there are tons of people who can attend gvg and used to do so but now they stopped because the effort is not worth the rewards. White and teal stuff is only expensive now because it is still semi rare due to the lack of numbers of them. Sooner or later they will be common. If people dont care about gvg as you say then why would a euro gvg attract people to gvg? This makes zero sense. A new item? What are your obvious reasons? Many people have certs and a lot at that so what you are saying again makes no sense. Last but not least my personal wealth has nothing to do with this suggestion. Like I said before if this is not changed then I still get to win all the time hence either way it is good for me and my guild. You need to look past the fact that you dont want to put effort into doing gvg to get the items from it and see that this suggestion has no down sides to it. I am not going to discuss further with you about this because so far you have raised not one single good argument so consider this my last response to you. Let us see what Genesis and the other gms, who decide if to accept or deny the suggestion, has to say.

[Guest lolensue]

There are tons of people who can and can't attend GVG because of their schedule. And what are you talking about this suggestion could challenge you guys with your "domination" in GVG? oh well it doesn't. Why? your guild has best in terms of population and will outstand other guilds. Who would participate in such when we know what the outcome will be? This suggestion doesn't make sense when people even do WOE even emps/imp drops are too common now. You must accept that fact - emps dropped its price from 1k+ to 700. Price deflation would not be a problem about that, they are still obtainable in a hard way and we are facing the fact the you guys can only obtain this because you have the population during gvg. Teal/White rucks should be same as other rucks so that it would not affect much of the economy. We must place our economy in a stable manner. adding +5% matk and patk will increase its price much. Consider these facts: Blue emps are more expensive than orange/purple/green emps because they are obtainable in a hard way and its looks is better than other emps. Other emps like black are even more expensive than blue and all emps give +25 to all stats. Those facts have the same situation as rucks. Removing -10% movement speed wont be a bad thing in either way because it would not boost up a little bit the ruck physically or magically. Even adding +10% movement speed is good. Your reason is about the wings right? wings give +15% movement speed and is useful during running for example during WOE etc. its also good for styles. In right words, both is still different because rucks give +10 to all stats and if we remove -10% movement speed or adding +10% movement speed is not a bad idea coz they are still rucks.

Have pity to those who cant attend gvg and to those who lost their hope because of ur dominance.

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Patrick.

[HealHard]

Do you know every persons schedule? Apparently you do since you know who can and cant attend gvg. First off there are tons of people who can attend gvg and used to do so but now they stopped because the effort is not worth the rewards. White and teal stuff is only expensive now because it is still semi rare due to the lack of numbers of them. Sooner or later they will be common. If people dont care about gvg as you say then why would a euro gvg attract people to gvg? This makes zero sense. A new item? What are your obvious reasons? Many people have certs and a lot at that so what you are saying again makes no sense. Last but not least my personal wealth has nothing to do with this suggestion. Like I said before if this is not changed then I still get to win all the time hence either way it is good for me and my guild. You need to look past the fact that you dont want to put effort into doing gvg to get the items from it and see that this suggestion has no down sides to it. I am not going to discuss further with you about this because so far you have raised not one single good argument so consider this my last response to you. Let us see what Genesis and the other gms, who decide if to accept or deny the suggestion, has to say.

You should work on your logic, herlove.

1.

.Do you know every persons schedule?

- Answer: Yes I know because 2-5 AM is not an option to GvG for some people

2.

If people dont care about gvg as you say then why would a euro gvg attract people to gvg?

- Answer: because they may become able to attend to it.

3.

Sooner or later they will be common

- Thats what you are trying to prevent? Stop ruining our economics.

4.

A new item? What are your obvious reasons?

- Specially for you, my oh-so-gifted friend. New item because there are too many old items that will become overpowered without any effort.

5.

I am not going to discuss further with you about this because so far you have raised not one single good argument so consider this my last response to you.

- that means you fold, yeah? ok. settled.

[HerLove]

Hopefully soon Gen or someone who can put an end to all of this will post a reply. Then all you people who are complaining because you lack the will to do anything about it will be silenced. My guild is the way it is because myself and other people work long and hard to make it that way. All I see is people, who choose to play on an American based server, complaining about things they do have the opportunity to change but lack the will to do so. How about trying to look past yourselves for a change and see what everyone else is saying. I know there are many people who can gvg because they always ask me to join for gvg. If the people who are against this actually put some effort into the event at all instead of just sitting it out I might consider what you are saying but you do not so I wont. Your logic is that because people, who choose to play on a server way outside their timezone, may not be able to get these items by taking part in gvg these items should not be special for those who spend their time to obtain them. What makes the people who made such a choice more special than those who made a reasonable choice? Do you expect to buy a house (because you cant build your own due to circumstances) and then have the government make people, who work hard and build their own, create it just as your own? I doubt that very much. Last but not least whether new items are added or the current items remain, according to you, people cant participate right? I guess I will just control all that anyway then yay me?

[Terroryst]

I guess this shows how bored you guys have come with this server, complaining about a mere change of an item that takes AT LEAST a month to get.

[~L I G H T~]

Well, after being really bored and reading everything, this is what I gathered :o

Chris[HerLove] is saying, by increasing the Ruck sack in some shape or form[i prefer 20% walking speed? and +3-5 stats] would increase population in GvG, and the only reason GvG is "monopolized" is because no one really GvGs...

Goods:

1) More people for GvG[ More guilds/alliances to defeat the "OP" guilds] +1

2) New/under geared individuals would work for it [ Like someone said earlier, the "rich" is only rich due to the fact that they WORK for it. I started with practically nothing about 7 months ago? Not doing so bad. Lol] +1

So Called "Bads:"

1) Rich getting richer[ Well, this "maybe" true in some circumstances. If this "rich" person GvGs all the time, then yes he would be awarded with the prize. If a "poor" person WORKS then this person would be awarded.] +0[Neutral]

2) Prices "sky rocketing" [ This is true, but as most items, it will go down. The first white rs was sold for like, what, 10k tokens? the 3rd-4th ruck came out, it dropped so dramatically(6k range). 1-2 months ago, one was sold for 4k. So price will increase but will also decrease.] +0

All in all, the "Bads" are either these "poor" people are lazy or the prices shooting so "high" but still dropping...What I'm saying is, there is no bad, lol. And besides,if you were new, why would you NEED this? for money I understand but you could also hunt EoF[Essence of Fire], Frigg, or even the Yggdrasil Berry Tickets.

In conclusion, I agree with this thread, to some points. I, also, would go for a new GvG prize. If I missed any "Bad" or "Good", my bad. Lol.

Sincerely,

The F.A.G.[Freakin' Awesome Guy]

[Decode]

As we all know GvG does need more competition, as it has been told before right now it is being dominated by one specific guild. But I am sure that you already know the reason there is no competition at all.

This suggestion seeks to make the GvG more attractive to people "rewards wise", I know that most of you concern a lot about balance, economy, etc...

Firstly I will talk about the balance, I will take you to the old days when snipers could only use Two-Handed Bows, every time someone suggested to make the Snipers bow One-Handed everyone went like "No, that way we will make snipers too OP, and blah blah blah"... Now we got not 1 but 2 One-Handed Snipers Bow and further more we added more damage to that bow making it for some people mind "Way more OP", the question here is. Do you consider that is spoiled balance that much?... Some might consider yes, but guess what it is still out there and is doing greatly, plus it helped the server's population to consider Snipers as a choice to PvP more than just use them to trap during woe.

Now consider Sniper as the GvG event, and consider the Two-Handed Bow as Teal/White Rucksack. It is my consideration that if we make such a tiny change "And it has been stated that it is a tiny change (damage wise)" that HerLove is proposing in this suggestion, it will not make such a huge change, and it could make the server's population to consider GvG more challenging than just an event that gets you a reward that does the same as another thing that costs 60 tokens... I find that just pointless.

Now I will start with the economy, first of all, will the price of this item go up? The answer is yes it will, but that is just for the first few months, then it will just go down like everything. Want any examples? alright here are some I will start with the first big thing this server got, the Elite Weapons, I remember that the first days this came out the price of a Forsaken Assassin Dagger was 120 Coupons now Tokens, now what is the price now? the highest I have seen is 40... You might say that is has been a lot of time since that, alright lets update the list a bit more, the Valkyries weapons, when they first came out "middle of February" the prices went for 1.8k - 2k each weapon, now look at the prices now it is like 650 the top is 800 tokens for a weapon... My point is that in a few months the prices will go down and sometimes it is significantly fast.

Those are the reasons why I think that this suggestion should be accepted. Here is my +1.

[Essence]

The reason we dominate gvg is because people dont take part. This change is an incentive for people to take part in the event since the effort they put into it will reap more than just new coloured items. Read, attain some facts and knowledge, before you come here and post your neanderthal comments please.

The reason other people don't take part is because of the time difference. All or 99% of Democracy are Filipinos. Majority of Loli Kingdom are from Asia. So that basically leaves your guild to participate in GvG and some other small guilds. Your monopoly in GvG doesn't mean there's a lack of incentives, but rather the unavailability of other guilds to participate in the said event.

If you actually want more people to participate in GvG, I suggest moving the time to where Democracy and Loli Kingdom can participate. In that way, you wouldn't have any complaint about your guild dominating GvG.

And you should know, that not all people want to get items, some people just want to have fun.

If you're saying that other people lack the will to wake up at dawn just to participate in GvG, then you are sadly unreasonable. Would you wake up at dawn during the weekdays to participate in GvG? I don't think you would, would you?

[HealHard]

Decode, you miss the point why the items drop in price actually. When everyone who needs the item gets it, then prices drop. And at the moment we are talking about a thing that takes at least a month to get. 12 people a year can get it. whats the server population?... so prices will never go down as even a small change will make this item desired by everyone. And only few people going to have those eventually. Moreover, they gonna have 2+ of those. So uhm... They gonna op it or abuse it. Newbies never gonna get it. And not a single asian will get it, unless they buy it. Sniper bow is not a correct thing to compare with, since it is donatable and costs 8 times less then this white rucky in game.

[HerLove]

The reason other people don't take part is because of the time difference. All or 99% of Democracy are Filipinos. Majority of Loli Kingdom are from Asia. So that basically leaves your guild to participate in GvG and some other small guilds. Your monopoly in GvG doesn't mean there's a lack of incentives, but rather the unavailability of other guilds to participate in the said event.

If you actually want more people to participate in GvG, I suggest moving the time to where Democracy and Loli Kingdom can participate. In that way, you wouldn't have any complaint about your guild dominating GvG.

And you should know, that not all people want to get items, some people just want to have fun.

If you're saying that other people lack the will to wake up at dawn just to participate in GvG, then you are sadly unreasonable. Would you wake up at dawn during the weekdays to participate in GvG? I don't think you would, would you?

You are wrong. I see right now loli and demo up and online at what is supposed to be "late/early" for them. When people want something bad enough they will go to whatever lengths they need to get it. Again this is an American based server I dont know how many times I got to say that. It cannot fix all times for all zones that is just too much. You play on a server in this time zone expect to deal with what that means.

[Luxiana]

Would you wake up at 2am in the middle of the week, knowing that you've got school/work the next day? No? I thought so.

So, I think you should stop saying what and whatnot would people do if you're not actually them. ((It's not fair. Lol.))

Anyway, I don't really think boosting up rucksack will bring more competition to GvG. Why? Well, maybe I'm the only one who watched on rucksas and different kinds of it as something for fashion purposes and not for something like "o look I got dis/dat ruckie, it betta dan urs ^__^" stuff. Besides that it'd be totally unfair if it gets boosted up now when some of people already have it. Why? You can go and be like "ongf I worked my ass off for it, I GvGed 291201 times." yes, you can, yet again, now I think I'll able to use: you knew what kind of stats the rucksack has at the start. If it is so "useless" and "meaningless" for you, why did you get it? You knew what kind of stuff it gives at that time when you already decided to get it. So, I'm sorry, but it's kind of your own fault if you're not satisfied with what you got. Harsh? Well, I apologize, no hard feelings on anyone here.

On the other hand I don't mind intempleting something new as a GvG prize. What would that be, even I myself don't know because I'm seriously not really good when it comes to calculating etc. But yeah, that's just my opinion, as I said, no hard feelings, no everything ♥

[Decode]

Well compare it with Imperial Valkyrie Helms "Not the White or Teal", their prices dropped, and it is way hard to get a drop of those, you can ask any guild leader, and not everyone got one of those. And still the price dropped.

Plus I consider the only way that you people consider that economy is balanced is when everything goes for like the very same slow price, the only thing that unbalance the economy is "new stuff and new updates", so basically there should be a suggestion like this "Stop making new updates until the economy gets balanced once again".

So it is my thought that every time people wants to change something or make some changes, most part of the community at first sight think it's bad and won't help the server, and most of the time it turns to be the other way around.

Plus about the time areas and all that, I have seen way many people attempting American WoE which is at early morning days for them, so if you do want it do your sacrifices. Because I do not really think there will be an Euro GvG for now, but who knows maybe I am mistaken.

[Veracity]

Alright. We're not going to change the stats of the existing rucksacks. Why? Because we don't like altering effects of items people already have (with the exception of bug fixes/severe balance issues). What we can do, however, is add new prizes. We will also consider changing the time of GvG. If we do, we'll post a poll for people to vote in.

- Rejected -