ana Posted April 25, 2011 Report Posted April 25, 2011 Well, I agree with the fact that they must have something else otherwise they are just regular Ruckies and are not worth their value. The main question here is probably "what will we add?" -Damage seems unfair since people who get it already do good damage. -Walking speed, well incresing it a little wouldn't hurt. However it seems like not good enough. And i honestly think it isn't. -Reduces seems like crazy, the game doesn't need more reduces at the moment. So it seems to me like, even if we wan't to add something, which i aprove, there is nothing fair enough that we can add without umbalacing things (even more). Altogether I agree with the improving, but not the one mentioned in the topic. We shall think of something else.
TensaZangetsu Posted April 25, 2011 Report Posted April 25, 2011 (edited) This isn't even a discussion, the dam item already cost a lot and many people that play will NEVER obtain this item because obviously this item price will sky rocket to and extreme price that only the rich will have it, look at blue emp for example and plus its and event reward from GvG you're given a limited item and the pleasure for being in GvG what else can you ask for? You should be happy with what you're rewarded. What attract people to our server is the PvP base i mean are whole server runs of pvp for example GvG, WoE, LMS. Balance is the key and leaving it what it is now is the best thing for our server since it only benefit the rich and balance things out. Edited April 25, 2011 by TensaZangetsu
HerLove Posted April 25, 2011 Author Report Posted April 25, 2011 You people who are talking about the "rich" how do you think they got rich? Not by sitting in fcity and doing nothing all day. People work for their items some harder than others. If you are not rich you have only yourself to blame. Let us drop this "rich" none sense and focus on what is suggested please. The main idea here is having the rucksacks from gvg changed to be better then the other rucksacks because of their difficulty to obtain. 1
TensaZangetsu Posted April 25, 2011 Report Posted April 25, 2011 "rich" how do you think they got rich? Not by sitting in fcity and doing nothing all day." oh yea i seen you work extremely hard in ladder with your party gang lmfao you think people have a chance when you keep doing what you're doing, people just lose hope and stop laddering, there you go here is and example and i've known loyal people in your guild who been so loyal and never gain shit but just too nice to say anything. I mean items that are given out from GvG, WoE and Ladder is basically you could say run by 3 guild leaders only, and been that way for a very long time, now back to the subject.. Disagree as i said, just to balance out the PvP and save the economy prices that's already screwed up.
HerLove Posted April 25, 2011 Author Report Posted April 25, 2011 I consider spending all my free time in the pvp room hard work yes. I dont know if you know this but time is not something you get back. Either way not everyone that has alot of items got it by laddering so your post is just rediculous. Try leading a guild and dealing with all that is involved and then come tell me something. You make it out as though it is set in stone who wins ladder/gvg/woe without even considering how much work is put into these things by the various people. You do not know what it takes to get/earn one of these items so to you it will unbalance everything apparently. Frigs shield does 5% more reductions than f shield among other things why is this not a problem to you? The damage increase is not going to make anything unbalanced and infact it would help a little for example in woe for the people who have them/will get them. 1
Kayleigh Posted April 25, 2011 Report Posted April 25, 2011 "rich" how do you think they got rich? Not by sitting in fcity and doing nothing all day." oh yea i seen you work extremely hard in ladder with your party gang lmfao you think people have a chance when you keep doing what you're doing, people just lose hope and stop laddering, there you go here is and example and i've known loyal people in your guild who been so loyal and never gain shit but just too nice to say anything. I mean items that are given out from GvG, WoE and Ladder is basically you could say run by 3 guild leaders only, and been that way for a very long time, now back to the subject.. Disagree as i said, just to balance out the PvP and save the economy prices that's already screwed up. Seems like you know a lot right? Because you've seen him 2-3 years ago and how we were noob and worked our asses off to get what we have now. And yeah, after a while you are rich. Then also, do you wanna be a leader and have 50-60 people who are active and then decide who gets something first? Last time we had the guild we geared up every single player over a long time. There will always be someone who says he/she was loyal and didn't get anything. But all this has nothing to do with this suggestion so I don't know why you gotta come and spit out your negativeness over someone who's more successful than you. Onto topic: It's not a bad suggestion. It's reasonable to want to make the GvG reward something different. But I think people don't agree right now because GvG seems pointless these weeks and only one guild gets the certs atm. I bet if winning the event was actually really fought for then many would agree to this. I think the whole point was just to boost the attendance for GvG by making it more attractive.
TensaZangetsu Posted April 25, 2011 Report Posted April 25, 2011 (edited) @Herlove, What are you a freaking General for the United States Marines? Its a game for god sakes and you go head make your assumptions on me because obviously you don't know nothing about me and I'm gonna be the bigger person and spare the argument as i've already mention my reason for disagreeing and I assumed you respect my decision and lets leave it at that. @HisLove, Obviously you have wrong misconception. I mean anyone could say they saved the world from Godzilla right? I mean how will new players advance if this keeps up. I suggest you stop typing and read my post more clearly. Edited April 25, 2011 by TensaZangetsu
Leaz Posted April 25, 2011 Report Posted April 25, 2011 (edited) i agree with this suggestion. It takes time to get the gvg rewards, so why shouldn't they have a little higher boost than the other rucksacks? And plus, players will always be richer than other players. The richer may get richer, but the poor'er do not get poor'er. 3: In my opinion you're asking for quite a big change.. you're trying to remove a debuff but not only that, on top of that you want to give it quite a big advantage. Yes 5%damage increase can easily make a difference, and honestly I see no reason to do this at all. Just because they are hard to achieve they should become even better ? I see no reason to buff up the already strong players and weaken the newer ones even further. and yes, because they are harder to achieve they should be able to have higher stats. The imperial helms are harder to achieve therefor they get the +3 extra stats. I remember the transition from wings to rucksacks, only the 'richer' had them at first, but eventually the 'less richer' got them. Imo, that is what makes the world go round. So what I am saying is even though the prices are high right now, they will drop because more people will get them and probably something new and better will be out! Edited April 25, 2011 by Leaz
Decode Posted April 25, 2011 Report Posted April 25, 2011 There is no need to say who is a good player/leader and who is not. This suggestion is about GvG rewards and that's it. Please get into the topic.
Ryuk Posted April 25, 2011 Report Posted April 25, 2011 and yes, because they are harder to achieve they should be able to have higher stats. The imperial helms are harder to achieve therefor they get the +3 extra stats. I remember the transition from wings to rucksacks, only the 'richer' had them at first, but eventually the 'less richer' got them. Imo, that is what makes the world go round. So what I am saying is even though the prices are high right now, they will drop because more people will get them and probably something new and better will be out! What about golden valkyrie helms ? Those aren't as hard to achieve yet the imperial helms give the same stats. Why ? Because the imperial hats represent 'status' and those come in different colors. People tend to pay for looks around here. Also, those rucksacks were spread way easier than the GvG ones ever will. Rucksacks drop in hordes. This GvG ruckie will only be made once every few months. Before it reaches the point of the current ruckies we'll be lots of months if not years further. My opinion regarding the buff still stands, but hey ! we'll see what the majority says and I guess I'll 'go with the flow' aka the GM's decision
Leaz Posted April 25, 2011 Report Posted April 25, 2011 What about golden valkyrie helms ? Those aren't as hard to achieve yet the imperial helms give the same stats. Why ? Because the imperial hats represent 'status' and those come in different colors. People tend to pay for looks around here. Also, those rucksacks were spread way easier than the GvG ones ever will. Rucksacks drop in hordes. This GvG ruckie will only be made once every few months. Before it reaches the point of the current ruckies we'll be lots of months if not years further. My opinion regarding the buff still stands, but hey ! we'll see what the majority says and I guess I'll 'go with the flow' aka the GM's decision Regardless of how fast or slow an item takes to achieve, the number will always increase unless they stop releasing the item. I understand people go for more of looks around here, but both the imps and golden valkyrie helm are still classified as woe drops. Which means they are harder to achieve than the normal f.helm, hence the better stats. Making better items is what makes people want to try harder to get, imo. So, i do think this will help gvg competition.
HerLove Posted April 25, 2011 Author Report Posted April 25, 2011 (edited) Look at it this way, right now there is no real advantage of doing gvg. Yes you get a rare rucksack or imp valk but the fact is that their stats are the same as the ones you can get easily otherwise. This is a major part of why people dont put any real effort into doing gvg because they can simply get another rucksack or imp valk/ gold valk that does the same effect. Now if the items were better like what I am suggesting then people would want to have the best items and this will lead to more people taking part in gvg. There is no downside to adding an extra boost to the gvg items and even if it takes months or years to spread around dont you think by that time there may be better items out? I doubt we will stay the same forever. Edited April 25, 2011 by HerLove 1
Ryuk Posted April 26, 2011 Report Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) the number will always increase unless they stop releasing the item. True, but the supply will be way less compared to the demand. Hence why the prices would skyrocket. I also think you cant compare the "act" of donating with the act of working for something in game and then tell which one is easier to obtain. The F-helm is easier to obtain in-game because it's supply is way bigger compared to the imps hence why the price remains low. Just saying that it's the "rareness" and the looks of an item that very much decide the price on here instead of fully focussing on the given effect. (Hence the huge price difference between different imps and specially between GvH and the imp helms.) @HerLove : I think I already commented on everything you said in your last post throughout the entire topic. I already stated why I think the attendance on GvG is lacking and I have also told you the downsides that I see when making this change. This will be my last post on this topic cause I think we could go on forever. I'd prefer seeing more people comment on this instead of us trying to convince each other, which really doesn't have much use. It's up to the other players and the GMs whether this gets accepted or not. Good luck :wink: Regards, Ryuk Edited April 26, 2011 by Ryuk
Leaz Posted April 26, 2011 Report Posted April 26, 2011 @Herlove, What are you a freaking General for the United States Marines? Its a game for god sakes and you go head make your assumptions on me because obviously you don't know nothing about me and I'm gonna be the bigger person and spare the argument as i've already mention my reason for disagreeing and I assumed you respect my decision and lets leave it at that. @HisLove, Obviously you have wrong misconception. I mean anyone could say they saved the world from Godzilla right? I mean how will new players advance if this keeps up. I suggest you stop typing and read my post more clearly. I think she read your post just fine. Disagree as i said, just to balance out the PvP and save the economy prices that's already screwed up. you're making it sound like the +5% atk/matk is going to unbalance pvp all together. If you look at Seraphine's post, obviously you would see it isn't a big difference. As for the economy, like i said before the prices might be high at first, but over time the prices will drop because there are more of them and something new will probably come out. Maybe you should stop accusing people of not reading your posts clearly, when obviously you should be reading more clearly.
Nadtorious Posted April 26, 2011 Report Posted April 26, 2011 By tha unique color of those GvG rucksacks . I think that is enough .
HerLove Posted April 26, 2011 Author Report Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) By tha unique color of those GvG rucksacks . I think that is enough . Every rucksack has a different colour are you saying that one colour is better than another? I think that would be a very personal choice among people however unique effects are a different story all together. If each colour emp did +20 to all stats but blue emp did +25 which would people wear? Regardless of colour the choice is only obvious. My point is that if it were changed people would look at gvg as something they need to do to be at top tier pvp rather than something they can do to be pretty much the same as anyone else who does not gvg and the addition is small and does not require alot of work to do. Edited April 26, 2011 by HerLove 1
TensaZangetsu Posted April 26, 2011 Report Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) I think she read your post just fine. you're making it sound like the +5% atk/matk is going to unbalance pvp all together. If you look at Seraphine's post, obviously you would see it isn't a big difference. As for the economy, like i said before the prices might be high at first, but over time the prices will drop because there are more of them and something new will probably come out. Maybe you should stop accusing people of not reading your posts clearly, when obviously you should be reading more clearly. 1. I don't need to talk in circles when I explain everything to HerLove already. 2. I don't care if its +3% atk/matk or even 1%, this item is limited and its not gonna be around for months or even years and I'm pretty sure the price will never drop or even if it does not a crazy amount. Like i mention in my previous post, balance is the key and even if its not a crazy boost they all stack up. Look at blue emp, has the price of it change in the past years? Yea, barely right and All of the old players have them and they're just dam too expensive to buy, now what you think will happen too GvG rucksack? Yea new items will come out, but look at Blue emp and RoP for example, its like 300 tokens compared to 3000-3500 and barely anyone uses it, any stronger items will just make things unbalance since our level is caped at 255/255 unless we change it to 300/300, then we could have better stronger items but as of right now I think custom item are at its best abilities for our level. The emp prices are all screwed up now, if this does go threw compare GvG rucksack to other rucksacks, you do the math ain't rocket science. 3. Before you try back someone up, try putting 2 and 2 together and understand the situation before you type. Edited April 27, 2011 by TensaZangetsu
Leaz Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 (edited) 1. I don't need to talk in circles when I explain everything to HerLove already. 2. I don't care if its +3% atk/matk or even 1%, this item is limited and its not gonna be around for months or even years and I'm pretty sure the price will never drop or even if it does not a crazy amount. Like i mention in my previous post, balance is the key and even if its not a crazy boost they all stack up. Yea, you're right something new will eventually come out, but look at blue emp, has the price of it change in the past years? Yea, barely right and All of the old players have them and they're just dam too expensive to buy, now what you think will happen too GvG rucksack? Yea new items will come out, but look at Blue emp and RoP for example, its like 300 tokens compared to 3000-3500 and barely anyone uses it. The emp prices are all screwed up now, compare GvG rucksack too other rucksacks, you do the math ain't rocket science. 3. Before you try back someone up, try putting 2 and 2 together and understand the situation before you type. just because i explained what the suggestion means to me, doesn't mean I don't understand the situation. So don't tell me to understand the situation when you clearly have no idea what you're typing about. When the blue emp came out, it what double the price now. imo, the price is still high because not many drop from the castle because the economy is still low. Edited April 27, 2011 by Leaz
Anarii Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 (edited) As an owner of a white rucksack, I don't agree. Even if these added effects are "minimal", I think that the uniqueness, cosmetic advantages, and high prices are enough. Nothing is warranting an immediate change on those rucksacks. I sincerely don't believe that your proposed buff will increase competition that much, or if at all because: 1. One reason many players don't attend is because either they just lack interest or they feel that winning is out of their reach (for whatever reasons that may be) and this "mere" change you propose would "merely" change that interest level. 2. A good amount of players who propose a significant threat to GvG already have white rucksacks, thus many of those opt out. 3. Current status of the game, which is some sort of monopoly on GvG and just lack of "good" people willing to participate. 4. I don't GvG anymore, probably discourages the masses. I think that this really is just a point of view issue and there's no best path to go on, only thing you can do is keep fighting for what you want. tl dr; hell na nigga Edited April 27, 2011 by Anarii 1
Guest lolensue Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 i really suggest removing -% movement speed(like butterfree rucks,etc) or adding % on movement speed. that would make them good with what they are. i dont want to argue about it. i simply disagree and i dont want to get in any trouble or argue. thats why i cant really explain whats on my mind and thus just suggested. i really dont want a % damage more even its 1%.
Superman^* Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 (edited) Well, it would be good if the GvG rs have something different from others rs not only colors and make it special and blah blah blah. What I mean is, giving them a little boost would be great, but I guess boostin' 5% atk wouldn't be cool so I would like to suggest adding them like +2 or +3 all stats wouldn't hurt. Edited April 27, 2011 by Superman^*
Groxy Drank Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 (edited) Well basically, now a days if you want things to change and new stuff you got to sacrifice something. My point is that if we keep thinking that adding something will make the economy fall into pieces, then we will just stand where we are and just don't get anything new. To make changes you have to take some risks, sometimes the risks are for good and sometimes just aren't. The thing here is that there is a lot of people that is afraid of changes, but guess what, this is a game and it is all database, codes, encryption and those can be modified to how they were before. So we could just give this a try, be a bit open minded. It has been done before, implements something to test it out and then just change it to how it was before, make some fixes, or just completely remove it from the game. About the economy, basically that is how the world works, every time there is something new on the market the prices go high, but with the time and demands the prices go down. For example and I will base this on the game since that is what you want. When I bought my Red Sacred Wings when they first came out I spent 6k Tokens on them, and what is the price now? 3.5k - 3.9k?. So yeah around 2k down in just a few months. Plus I do not consider that making such a meaningless change on damage on a rucksack will make the price of this rucksack hit lets say if the price now is 5k it could get to like what 6k and then in about 2 more months get to 5k again? Exclusive things are made to have exclusive features than just colors. If you buy a Standard Ferrari with 450 HP the next month they will release an Special Edition of the same car with 470 HP. Waoh that is just 20 HP more, and the price is like what 20k Dollars higher than the Standard Edition, eventually the price will go down but it is the exclusiveness of the car that matters, and that is what we want from the car. Think of Ferrari as the GvG, the company just make some innovation to call peoples attention, it is called business. Edited April 27, 2011 by Groxy Drank
TensaZangetsu Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 just because i explained what the suggestion means to me, doesn't mean I don't understand the situation. So don't tell me to understand the situation when you clearly have no idea what you're typing about. When the blue emp came out, it what double the price now. imo, the price is still high because not many drop from the castle because the economy is still low."I think she read your post just fine." <---That's what i was referring to, obviously you didn't ready what I typed to HerLove and for her to bring up almost identical point of views and for you to not see it make you look like real idiot for not reading. You also have the wrong misconception, I guess you need to get your head right before typing. You don't need to tell me things I've already know.
Leaz Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 "I think she read your post just fine." <---That's what i was referring to, obviously you didn't ready what I typed to HerLove and for her to bring up almost identical point of views and for you to not see it make you look like real idiot for not reading. You also have the wrong misconception, I guess you need to get your head right before typing. You don't need to tell me things I've already know. ok, i still don't see how she misread your post. You were talking about how the rich can only get this item and how balance is the key ~blahblah. Then she brings up her opinion of the topic. It is very hard to understand your broken english.
