Yeung Posted February 18, 2011 Author Report Posted February 18, 2011 Also for everyone saying the dagger doesn't need defense, take away the defense from the bow first. >:[
sessions Posted February 26, 2011 Report Posted February 26, 2011 I think that the bow should be bumped up to +30 int, and perhaps add stats from one other skill (vit maybe?) seeing as the bow has +30 dex and agility it would be nice to keep them somewhat in line. Plus due to the way you have to stat a magic type stalker (150 or more dex, high int, str for yggs, maybe 195 aspd, then vit) versus dex stalker (29x dex, 195 aspd, some str, rest on vit) you end up with like 50-70 more vit (I have like 200 on dex, 127 on magic)regardless on dex stalker so it'd be fair to give magic stalkers some increased vit. And then finally I'd give it level 10 Lightning Spear of Ice mainly to allow the use of another aoe skill to counter maya users. So I'd like to see it go from: +20 int, +20% hp, 35% matk, increase weight limit level 10 to +30 int, +30 vit, 35% matk, 20% hp, increase weight limit level 10 and LSOI level 10. As far as reductions go I don't know really I'm asking to add a lot already but I can't see how 5% is going to make a world of difference, especially since as always GTB will always win over magic classes so I don't see this becoming overpowered.
Annie ♥ Posted March 1, 2011 Report Posted March 1, 2011 (edited) Stalker STR Sword Str+25 / Agi+20 / ASPD+5 / Damage+15% Also i agree to sessions's +30 int, +30 vit, 35% matk, 20% hp, increase weight limit level 10 and LSOI level 10. ^ I smell AD/LSOI stalkers coming up. Edited March 1, 2011 by Annie ♥
Yeung Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Posted March 11, 2011 I'd take defense over VIT any day lmao. Honestly I'd be happy with just a skill added, but I'm sure even that wouldn't help much compared to DEX Stalkers.
sessions Posted March 26, 2011 Report Posted March 26, 2011 I'd take defense over VIT any day lmao. Honestly I'd be happy with just a skill added, but I'm sure even that wouldn't help much compared to DEX Stalkers. Do you mean defense as in reductions? Cause that would be cool with me too. But more regular defense is never good with thanas and whatnot.
Yeung Posted March 28, 2011 Author Report Posted March 28, 2011 So... is this gonna happen or what. Sittin and waitin...
nines Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 Quit being impatient damn nga lol when I types nga my phone corrected it to NBA lololol iPhones more racist than me XD
Acetrainer Posted May 10, 2011 Report Posted May 10, 2011 Also going to add Strong Stalker Black Oriental Sword Effects: ATK: 250-400 Str+ 15 Dex+ 20 Max Hp +15% Max Sp + 15% Allow the use of level 10 Enlarge Weight Limit. Aspd +5 Allows the use of level 10 Bash Increase Envenom Skill Damage 200%.
Sorrow Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) Reinforcing what was said before; *Stalker Magic Black Oriental Sword* -Bonuses for Int 30 and Vit +30, Matck +35% -As an Int based weapon for an Int based build, Enlarge Weight Limit Lv10 -1 or 2 Spells at Lv 10(5) seeing as Stalkers lack spells of their own and over reliance on the plagiarized skill can be a fatal flaw in this build. Among choices we have Lightning Spear of Ice, Fire Bolt, Kamaitachi, Quagmire and Crimson Fire Dragon. My favorite choice would be a combo of Lightning Spear of Ice(free spell) and Kamaitachi(Wind Stone Catalyst required). If not 2, just Lightning Spear of Ice. -Reduction same as the Bow has; Dex built stalkers have far too many advantages over the magic type, and GTB is a flaw the magic type has that's hard to overcome, if the bow has, the sword should have too. If the reduction is not implemented into it, it should have another substantial advantage that would favor this build like delay reduction(30%) or extra HP 20~30%. -Take out the Reject Sword Auto-cast, its not really needed; an hydrance if anything. Anything else people? xD Edited May 11, 2011 by Sorrow 1
Ryuk Posted May 14, 2011 Report Posted May 14, 2011 Just gonna add that I highly disagree with adding this huge amount of HP (20-30%) Stalkers already have HUGE survivability. I think we should stop trying to make them invincible once again...
sessions Posted May 26, 2011 Report Posted May 26, 2011 Just gonna add that I highly disagree with adding this huge amount of HP (20-30%) Stalkers already have HUGE survivability. I think we should stop trying to make them invincible once again...To be honest Magic stalkers don't have that great of survivability. If anything they deserve the HP boost more than bow stalkers who have hp bonus, 1h bow, and reducts on that bow.
Ryuk Posted May 27, 2011 Report Posted May 27, 2011 To be honest Magic stalkers don't have that great of survivability. If anything they deserve the HP boost more than bow stalkers who have hp bonus, 1h bow, and reducts on that bow. Magic stalkers are able to get better survivability than bow stalkers. Why ? Because with the right skill copied you won't need kiels or fsolder, you will only need instant cast and high matk + some attack speed. While on the bow you'll need high dex. max aspd at all times. Int for some decent mana etc. Your stats will be devided over different attributes way more as a bow stalker compared to the int ones. This means either less damage or less survivability. I'm sorry but I played stalker for a bit lately and it can be pretty much unkillable as it is. Adding such a huge HP boost will be overkill.
Acetrainer Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 -Agree with adding lvl 10 Lightning Spear of Ice (its great for preserving a non-magic skill for GTB users as well as playing Baby Rogues) -Disagree with Raging Fire Dragon (two magic skills is unnecessary as they can still preserve) -Disagree with adding %HP as it already gives enough, but agree with boosting the 20 int to 30 Int -Agree with adding a small amount of redux (maybe not as much as the bow but something like 5%) instead of VIT -Remove the 30% chance to cast lvl 5 Reject sword (its useless and can easily be cast at one's own will) I think with some of these changes, more people would be willing to play INT stalkers as opposed to about the 2 who do now.
Seraphine Posted June 10, 2011 Report Posted June 10, 2011 (edited) @TensaZangetsu I don't see what your post has to do with anything.Post hidden. Please try to stay on topic. Edited June 10, 2011 by Seraphine
Genesis Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 Would it be possible for you guys to post a finalized version of the effect you are suggesting? (the complete effect for the sword with everything included)
Seraphine Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) Int + 20, Max HP + 20%, MATK + 40%, Max SP + 30%, Allow the use of Level 10 Enlarge Weight Limit, ASPD + 5,10% Demi human reduction LV 10 Lightning Spear of Ice , What do you guys think about this? Edited June 11, 2011 by Seraphine
Sorrow Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 Forgot the spell xP LV 10 Lightning Spear of Ice
Seraphine Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 Thanks! =] Do you think this is to much of a buff or what's you opinion about it?
Genesis Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 Thank you Seraphine. If anyone else has any changes for that, please continue doing it in that fashion, it really helps!
Mint Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 Int + 20, Max HP + 20%, MATK + 40%, Max SP + 30%, Allow the use of Level 10 Enlarge Weight Limit, ASPD + 5,10% Demi human reduction LV 10 Lightning Spear of Ice , What do you guys think about this? My Opinion: +40% MATK is a little too high in my opinion Reason: The fact that stalker's can directly strip GTB, i'd say the current 35% is too high and should be reduced to 30%. There would be no-use for Magic Classes if stalkers have a higher survivability (Higher HP, Reductions) and a high MATK. No to Level 10 Lightning spear of ice Reason: Lightning spear of ice is easily spammable without kiels, this would allow Stalkers to use reduct hats/helms along with Forsaken Soldier card, the 10% demi-human reduction contributing to reductions AND being able to spam well. I'd suggest adding a skill such as Jupitel Thunder. Which is less-spammable and can deal sufficient damage.
Acetrainer Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) Int + 20, Max HP + 20%, MATK + 40%, Max SP + 30%, Allow the use of Level 10 Enlarge Weight Limit, ASPD + 5,10% Demi human reduction LV 10 Lightning Spear of Ice , What do you guys think about this? +1 - I agree with those stats expect the SP%... doesnt need to be that high but i could live with it. A buff to magic stalkers will see an increase in them and a decrease to the annoying DEX ones. * Keeping in mind that the Oriental needs a buff in the respect that it is a Valk Weapon and therefore in EVERY way superior to the Elite Stalker Dagger. - and in response to Mint's argument of being able to strip... people have FCP, lots of people and with an INT build you're strip chances are very low. - and jupitel thunder is just spammable as LSOI not to mention hits as many times per spam and whereas LSOI does .75% MATK per hit, Jupitel Thunder does 1.25% MATK per hit so they would be doing much more damage. - and technically these buffs are only as good as their bow counterpart... which in reality they should be. Edited June 11, 2011 by Acetrainer
Seraphine Posted June 12, 2011 Report Posted June 12, 2011 (edited) My Opinion: +40% MATK is a little too high in my opinion Reason: The fact that stalker's can directly strip GTB, i'd say the current 35% is too high and should be reduced to 30%. There would be no-use for Magic Classes if stalkers have a higher survivability (Higher HP, Reductions) and a high MATK. No to Level 10 Lightning spear of ice Reason: Lightning spear of ice is easily spammable without kiels, this would allow Stalkers to use reduct hats/helms along with Forsaken Soldier card, the 10% demi-human reduction contributing to reductions AND being able to spam well. I'd suggest adding a skill such as Jupitel Thunder. Which is less-spammable and can deal sufficient damage. I don't think it's that much of a change considering the Forsaken Elite Stalker Dagger adds +25% magic attack so leaving it as the 35% should be appropriate. Edited June 12, 2011 by Seraphine
Acetrainer Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 Stalker Oriental Black Sword [4] Class : Sword Attack: 210 Weight: 50 Weapon Level: 3 Required Level: 90 Applicable Job: Stalker A blade enriched with the blackness of Evil. Int + 30, Max HP +20%, MATK +35%, MaxSP +15%, Reduce Damage from Demi-Human by 10%. Allows the use of Level 10 Enlarge Weight Limit. Allows the use of Level 10 Lightning Spear of Ice. When receiving damage there is a 30% chance of casting Level 5 Reject Sword. ASPD +5. Unbreakable
