Stalker Oriental Sword Is Crap

[Yeung]

INTRO DAWG

I'm complaining 2 days after my return. BOSS.

Anyways, I'm new to all these Valk weapons and shit, but this really tears it for me.

Back in the day I was an ND player and stalkers were shitty. Before we had no Enlarge Weight Limit and crap, and could only carry about 20 yggs into PvP LOL.

Good times good times.

, but now that's extinct thanks to all this new crap so yeah, I went donation.

OK SO... Stalker Soaring Bird and Stalker Oriental Black Sword are pretty much buffed versions of the F Magic Dagger and F Stalker Bow right?

So tell me, why does the Soaring Bird deserve a 20% DAMAGE REDUCTION, and the shitty sword gets stuck with a 15% SP Boost and a 30% chance to Reject Sword?

Not only that, but the sword only gives you a 1k boost of MATK over the F Magic Dagger, which really isn't that much.

Please don't tell me that the 15% SP boost makes up for that. That's pretty useless too.

If I wanted to reject sword, I'd do it my damn self. Rofl. I can't say that that's useless though, but it's NOT GOOD ENOUGH. QQ


It's been years since I've played, but last time I checked... when you have a bow, you're SUPPOSED to have low defense. You'd think giving bow classes SHIELDS would kinda cover for that, but then the Stalker Soaring Bird gets EXTRA?

All this new defense and the bow randomly has a 20% damage reduction. With shit like the Frigg Shield out? What the fuck does that even mean! LMFAO.

I love playing magic stalker. It's hard enough when people use GTB and FCP. Don't make my magic suck compared to bow plz kthx. It's bad enough they can use Thana LOL DRAX I LUV YOU MANG.

WHAT I SUGGEST

I think that the dagger deserves a buff. Either a defense buff like the bow has, or maybe a simple magic skill like Cold Bolt Lvl 10/ Fire Bolt Lvl 10 / Heavenly Drive Lvl 5.

Either that or more raw MATK/INT. Though I think that's going a bit overboard, there are BARELY any head gears that supplement a Stalkers INT in a worthwhile way, other than Piamette Ears which is a VOTE ITEM.

The scarf doesn't even give Stalkers INT. Bow stalkers have it all. QQ

Please overlook this with consideration. Everyone leave your thoughts/suggestions/flames below. I wanna hear what you think as well.

YALL BISCUITHEADS!

[Halion]

is accepted already LOL

[Yeung]

is accepted already LOL

Nah that was a mistake. qq

[Cerule]

Judging purely on the damage you were just doing on me in for_fild01, i'd say the matk is fine. :o

[Masahiro]

LOL

edit:

so ya, stalkers have redic Hp nd stuff

but i agree, they made it limited, the alternative valk weapons need some checking out..

they have potential but its weak in comparison..

if the sword was a bit better that would promote a bit of variety (though its HARDLY likely i should need to say this for stalker! i mean c'mon you guys basically copy w/e w/e u want now)

but yeah i agree in some way to this (no real/ tangible claims as i have never tested the dagger personally, but going on first impression and comments from others)

[Halion]

even dex sword does more DPS than stalker's black sword

[nines]

Aaron......your an idiot. But I agree the dagger needs a better bonus. Seems kinda just there....

Id suggest adding. Lvl 10 Fire Bolt, reduce after cast delay by 20%.

[Yeung]

Judging purely on the damage you were just doing on me in for_fild01, i'd say the matk is fine. :o

That's only because of what you were using. D:

[Sorrow]

Agreed. i never bothered to make a magic stalker again.

Let's try a Lv10 Fire Bolt and a free kiel(-30% delays) would be pretty sweet. That would make me want this weapon xP

[Yeung]

Those suggestions seem plausible. Though I still think there should be an extra kick.

Like maybe dodging MDEF or something. Though it would have the opposite effect sometimes with Tao users. :b

[sessions]

Honestly what I'd like to see is a few reductions added to the sword, like 5-10%? The ability to cast an aoe magic skill to go along with good old LSOI. And perhaps a little more damage or a reduced cast delay. Magic stalker used to be the preferred method of stalkering for a lot of people but it is hardly even used anymore. Oh just realized, maybe instead of matk bonus make it a higher int bonus to help out stalkers using Acid Demo.

Also I'm bored of dex stalker dsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsds olook fcp is off *strips* dsdsdsdsdsdsdsdsds. It gets old. And uhm Magic Stalkers need more hp bonus than dex stalkers, they're fragile little guys since they don't have much room for high vit in their stats while dex stalkers it's like uhhh 29x dex, some str for yggin, 195 aspd, vit here we gooooooooo.

On a final note I'd realllllllly like to see a sword that allows the use of strength based stalker builds like... good ones. Stalker is such a versatile class I hate to see it so limited as it is right now.

[Ryuk]

On a final note I'd realllllllly like to see a sword that allows the use of strength based stalker builds like... good ones. Stalker is such a versatile class I hate to see it so limited as it is right now.

That I could agree on. However in my opinion stalker is NOT one of the classes that needs to be looked into for now. They have plenty of versatility when it comes to fighting and they are one of the stronger classes. Str builds are still missing. Magic build does not need boosting (in my opinion) and on top of all that I think there are certain classes that need way more work than stalkers. Specially at this moment.

[Yeung]

That I could agree on. However in my opinion stalker is NOT one of the classes that needs to be looked into for now. They have plenty of versatility when it comes to fighting and they are one of the stronger classes. Str builds are still missing. Magic build does not need boosting (in my opinion) and on top of all that I think there are certain classes that need way more work than stalkers. Specially at this moment.

I agree with you completely.

Stalkers may be good. But this weapon FUCKING SUCKS.

[Genesis]

Can you guys please comment on the effects suggested here? Thanks.

[nines]

Effects: Int + 20, Max HP + 20%, MATK + 35%, Max SP + 15%, Allow the use of Level 10 Enlarge Weight Limit. When receiving damage there is a 30% chance of casting Level 5 Reject Sword, ASPD + 5.

Suggested to Addon: Reduce Damage 5% Gives level 5 Quagmire Level 5 Raging Dragon Flame.

Also going to add

Strong Stalker Black Oriental Sword

Effects: Str+ 15 Dex+ 20 Max Hp +15% Max Sp + 15% Allow the use of level 10 Enlarge Weight Limit. Aspd +5 Allows the use of level 10 Bash Increase Envenom Skill Damage 200%.

[Sorrow]

i agree with either mine(lol), Yeung or nines's suggestion about new effects for the magic weapon ^^

But also nines a weapon for a str based build wouldn't need the enlarge weight limit i think o--o"

[nines]

Ah yah your right. lol good eye x.x wasn't thinking lol

[Ryuk]

Effects: Int + 20, Max HP + 20%, MATK + 35%, Max SP + 15%, Allow the use of Level 10 Enlarge Weight Limit. When receiving damage there is a 30% chance of casting Level 5 Reject Sword, ASPD + 5.

Suggested to Addon: Reduce Damage 5% Gives level 5 Quagmire Level 5 Raging Dragon Flame.

Yes to the stats, yes to the weight, yes to the autocast reject and yes to the ragin dragon flame. However I don't think damage reduction and quadmire should be given to the weapon. We have just recently reduced all the reductions, adding reductions to this weapon will trigger people to ask for reduction on their weapons as well. Also quagmire is a skill that can counter a complete class. I think it being autocasted with ifrit rings and wizard being able to cast it is more than enough of a downside of that class already.

Also going to add

Strong Stalker Black Oriental Sword

Effects: Str+ 15 Dex+ 20 Max Hp +15% Max Sp + 15% Allow the use of level 10 Enlarge Weight Limit. Aspd +5 Allows the use of level 10 Bash Increase Envenom Skill Damage 200%.

This weapon seems fine, though it's probably not going to match up vs some other valk weapons.

[Kusanagi]

I think magic will be a double-edged sword, after all reflecting will be sure to kill you with more magic damage, After-cast delay would kill the whole balance there is now on kiels (Kiels prevent the perfect status immunity), and reductions... I don't know they seem Ok on reductions so far, maybe doing a +20% extra Physical damage?

[Yeung]

Sorry i've been gone, too much MvC 3 LOL.

Anyways, I think the changes should be:

1. Take away the chance of reject sword.

2. Add Defense, and not just 5% >__> More like 15%.

3. Add a Spell. Maybe good ol' LSI or Raging Fire Dragon.

4. Add a little cast delay reduction.

[Kittie]

I agree with this. I would definetly like to see a magic attack like LSOI on the sword giving stalkers an option to copy another skill of their choice.

I don't think they need a MATK buff since magic can be spammed endlessly. As for defense...meh. it really doesn't need to be added to a class thhat can backslider and hide if you really think about it...

[Halion]

yeah give stalkers the ninja skill xP

[Chae Rin]

I agree with adding LSOI but doesn't Raging Fire Dragon or w/e require a catalyst ? That might be annoying to carry for some players and also it's an aoe spell so it's another collateral dmg attack like FAS and that makes it annoying in for_fild01 on top of the random FAS's already flying everywhere and the fact that stalkers are already annoying to opposing players lol

(Run-on sentence ftl -.-)

[Yeung]

I could give a shit less about carrying the catalyst lol. Now that we have enlarge weight limit I got big junk in the trunk yo.

LET US HAVE BOTH. QQ

[Chae Rin]

GIVE THE SWORD ESKE&ESMA OR W/E LOL