Clown Soaring Bird

[HealHard]

What you guys suggest is to make a Sniper Bow wearable for clowns. And btw, Sniper will deal more damage anyway and they have strip also. I have no more will to argue about pvp, redux and this bow as i told everything before. And everyone seems to have skipped that part, as you all talk about the same things i told before.

But apart from that, making a Sniper out of Clown is just the worst idea ever - this limits originality of ro classes and makes them all look like each other. Even stalkers DS nowadays. But they can copy some other skill to match DS. And clowns will just DS. Hell no. Either bow just keeps as it is (w/o autotarot on taking damage however) or it should be replaced directly with a ClownSoaringGuitar.

P.s. Yes, i have a bow. But i dont even use it in duels unless i am ganged or really annoyed with someone. But i also have two other classes (sinx and champ) and i duel with bow users as well. If you think i will be smashed by bow nerf you are wrong. Its just my point of view on your suggestion.

Edited December 7, 2010 by HealHard

[Sorrow]

Officially changing opinion! Nerf the hell out of this super cheap thing! xD

5% cance of auto-casting tarot only upon being attacked! Seriously this auto-attackers stun lockers are far too abusive, specially during woe.

Someone with full reductions impervious to stone curse and freeze with far greater range than professors&wizzards, shouldn't be able to sure kill people like that. They can wear all the reductions they want and not pay the 'less-offence-capacity' everyone does for it.

WOE is being by far the scenario that's suffering more from this, it needs fixing with urgency, some guilds just have the tendency of using whatever is cheap and calling it 'skill'.

[Angels&Demons]

With so many people agreeing on nerfing the bow, again, my suggestion would be to make the clown SB Auto cast tarot by 5% ONLY WHEN being attacked. Increase HP and SP by 10% (Gives clowns more survivability and more sp for DS-ing) and increase bow type damage by 20%.

We should start thinking of new suggestions, since most of the people agree on this suggestion. If not, this bow is going to be abused continuously in WoE. Just ctrl + click on someone and wait for him to die. We all know going GTB on WoE is just a shortcut to death.

[Centurion]

SHOULD GET NERFED

[supream]

i just dont like not being able to move cause of that one card and being comaed. if u like the weapons so much nerf the cards!

[Ryuk]

my suggestion would be to make the clown SB Auto cast tarot by 5% ONLY WHEN being attacked. Increase HP and SP by 10% (Gives clowns more survivability and more sp for DS-ing) and increase bow type damage by 20%.

Can definitely agree with this.

[emir]

Huh always the ridiculous reasons! Sweat*

[jorgesilvera]

I get Wrong untill this time

SHOULD GET NERFED

THIS IS WHAT TO BE DONE!

What give the right to cast automaticaly an skill that the class have?

0% tarrot chance wille attacking, that and give others bonusses.

[Adamxd]

I think its ok as it is. its not overpowered.

[Phenomenon]

I think its ok as it is. its not overpowered.

Wrong. It's over powered. 99% of everyone elses posts state why, I will not give a valid reason. It needs a nerf please && thank you.

[Masahiro]

That is over powered and anyone who says otherwise, I think, should post a detailed explanation as to how to defend against it properly without having to use multiple class buffs.

i agree with chris' post above. Actually i was coming to say similar things but he covered the main points.

Adjust please..(Even im saying this and my mains a clown lately..)

edit:

today would make it the 6th -7th time ive literally died from just 2 arrows consecutively shot from that bow

(even happened to me in the final confrontation in an lms) (bad luck or not..thats ridiculous)

Edited December 12, 2010 by Masahiro

[Kittie]

i agree with chris' post above. Actually i was coming to say similar things but he covered the main points.

Adjust please..(Even im saying this and my mains a clown lately..)

edit:

today would make it the 6th -7th time ive literally died from just 2 arrows consecutively shot from that bow

(even happened to me in the final confrontation in an lms) (bad luck or not..thats ridiculous)

ikr

Dueling John and Edu yesterday was not fun when Edu was using his bow and coma-then-arrow'ing. Pretty sure it needs to get nerfed.

@Madox: you disagree. Want to actually give a reason? LOL.

Switching from the bow to a guitar once they use GTB and doing 4-5 AV's is unfair and easy to pull off.

[Dudu]

ikr

Dueling John and Edu yesterday was not fun when Edu was using his bow and coma-then-arrow'ing. Pretty sure it needs to get nerfed.

@Madox: you disagree. Want to actually give a reason? LOL.

Switching from the bow to a guitar once they use GTB and doing 4-5 AV's is unfair and easy to pull off.

EI KIITY I SORRI! LOL

This bow needs a nerf now !

[Adamxd]

I think, clown with normal f guitar can beat clown using sb, i saw many times when sinx, champion , lks , snipers were owning sb users. It might annoying, however it costs much so it's fair.

[Angels&Demons]

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Sorry, but that's a stupid reason. Put the bow in the hands of a good PvP'er and we'll see if you can kill them. The clowns you saw using the SB might be those no skilled people who bought SB's just so they can kill more pro people by simply ctrl+click on them which is EXACTLY the reason why this bow SHOULD be nerfed!

[kax]

so they can kill more pro people by simply ctrl+click on them which is EXACTLY the reason why this bow SHOULD be nerfed!

SORRY but that is a stupid justification as well. Lemme list out the classes that do ctrl+click and still owns;

- melee non-SB sinx

- matyr build pally

- matyr build stalker

- coma build LK

[Adamxd]

Matyr build pally heh tell me which pally's build can kill clown lol

[Xtopher]

SORRY but that is a stupid justification as well. Lemme list out the classes that do ctrl+click and still owns;

- melee non-SB sinx

- matyr build pally

- matyr build stalker

- coma build LK

The circumstances are drastically different in all the scenarios you list. The Tarot skill can reduce your HP to 1 instantly and if the clown is using auto attack the follow hit (which comes a fraction of a second after the coma) will kill you.

-You can YGG through a Melee'ing SinX.

-There are MANY different ways to reduce Martyr damage. Second, the Pala/Stalker has to continuously recast Martyr after the 5 hits so it's not truly ctrl+click.

-True, a coma build LK can kill you with ctrl+click but that takes ages a clown can drop you within a matter of seconds and what's more clown has range to allow for more hit and run/stunlock strategies. Lastly, almost any class with divest cards could divest a LK's weapon. Divesting a Clown is pointless on most classes because they can just re-equip the weapon.

[Perishable]

The title of this topic should be change Clown & Gypsy Soaring Birds.

[emir]

Owh... It seem that almost 95% of forsaken player said it need to be Op power and even clown/gypsy main user said it. O.o ... Um, well i dont really care if the bow going to be nerf ,But dont ever make any changes on tarot skill. thank you.

[HerLove]

sorry to post so late but can we have an update on this? its quite clear majority wants the bow changed and the reasons given have been a great many (very good reasons too) .

Edited December 26, 2010 by HerLove

[Forum~]

I would think this is not reviving an old topic, as it is still a concern for many players now. Here is my thoughts on the clown/gypsy soaring bird.

As a clown-main for about a year and a half on fRO, I have seen the class evolve through each update. However, I have not seen something so urgent in need to be fixed as this bow. I agree with a nerf to this bow.

Tarot-ing while attacking should be removed all together and tarot-ing while being attacked should be nerfed to 20%. With this, the bow should receive a generous, considerable form of HP/SP/DMG compensation (BECAUSE it is donation based, to bring appeal to a weapon that does not even use the class's main offensive move- arrow vulcan, and because the nerf is so drastic).

I haven't read the entire topic yet... and I'll be editing my post accordingly...

Honestly, I would have preferred it Clowns if had received a Valkyrie Guitar that boosted their damage/hp/sp a bit rather than a bow that can do all the fighting for the user.

Yes, I agree. x_x

There should be draw backs for having the bow since it just attracts pussys to using it....(looks at the people defending)

So true... as the clown god, I shouldn't be killed by some of these newbclowns... sigh.

Supream is the LK expert, and before you go spouting off about how they're "useless" I would like to see you fight some of our better LKs such as him.

Damn Chris, what a way to say it. Mike is a badass LK.

In fact a good bit of the people I've talked to ingame AND people posting here are Clown users. Kittie, for example, is great with Clown and knows the class very well, yet she is advocating a nerf on the bow after seeing it used ingame.

HOW ABOUT WE END ALL THIS DRAMA AND MAKE EVERY BOW 2-HANDED AGAIN, BUT GIVE IT SOME DEMI-HUMAN REDUCTIONS, LIKE 40%. This I truly believe, would be the end-all solution to all this nonsense. Edited January 2, 2011 by Forum~

[November Thunder]

In my opinion if your casting 30% auto tarot with 195aspd in a matter of 10seconds you can be taken down with clown sb, takes absolutley 0 skill this is a must nerf please kthxbai.

[Veracity]

We're working on fixing this issue, though we may not do exactly as what was suggested here. Either way, we are addressing it. Thanks to everyone who posted thoughtful and helpful comments in this thread.

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