Genesis Posted July 17, 2010 Report Posted July 17, 2010 No, it was nothing like that. It had to do with the mob database, we uploaded an older one and forgot to change the drop rate. Stop speculating and just stick to the topic.
maxlittle007 Posted July 17, 2010 Author Report Posted July 17, 2010 Case 1:IF THANATOS CARD DROP RATE IS RAISED Just imagine if 60-65% of the players had thanatos card.All players would be equally strong,in this case only the talented and intellegent one wins.Players cant say he won coz hes got thana,coz here everyone is capable of getting a thana.Its fair enough here. Case 2:IF THERE IS NO THANATOS CARD IN THE SERVER. Here no one would have thanatos card,most of them would be incantation samurai card users,Just like case 1,only talented and intellegent players would win.And besides it would encourage new players to stick to the server since incantataion samurai MVP isnt as hard as killing thanatos MVP.Old players / new players will take part in events. Its Fair enough here aswell. Case 3:FEW PLAYERS GOT THANATOS CARD BY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE 10% DROP RATE GLITCH. Thanatos card users will be over powered.Some players say using skolls is a good way,But what makes you sure thanatos card users dont have incant card weapon,and Please dont say thanatos card isnt over powered ,If the card isnt over powered it woudnt be 0.01%.Only over powered cards are 0.01%.If it isnt over powered then gimme a good reason why thanatos card drop rate is 0.01%?Can you deny the fact that thana users win LMS /PVP ladder most of the time.Only in rare cases a non thana user wins a LMS or a pvp ladder.How will it help new players if the strong gets stronger and the weak goes weaker.The server might be stuck with old players all the way up. I know most of the thana users are against this suggestion,but thats only because of your ego.You guys want thanatos card but you just dont want others to have it.
Sorrow Posted July 18, 2010 Report Posted July 18, 2010 i'd also rather the server be clean from thana, after all, the card makes no sense whatsoever, but that ain't happening. So the only solution is turning it more available to other players. Fair is equal opportunities to all, no thana or abundant thana. The mid therm, what is actually happeneing, is an elite of 'glitch abusers' who hold an unfair advantage over the rest, be it in pvp or by trading the server's most inflated item.
Cirrus Posted July 18, 2010 Report Posted July 18, 2010 We don't need to have a solution. I'd like to just agree with supream with the gist of "things happen and move on." And I wasn't around when that glitch happened, I am fortunate to have a Thanatos card, belonging to a select number of players who actually spent time saving up coupons and buying one. Simply, I chose a "sure" way of obtaining it. But having it able to drop, it is already fair for everyone, you just have to do your fragment placing and stuff. But by both ways, it's still hard. Why I am not disturbed over the fact that a few players got it through a "bug exploit", I guess, it's just me accepting what happened and taking advantage that there were actually cards circulating, and just worked hard to buy one, rather than spending possibly way more hours MVP-ing for it.
Poringly Posted July 18, 2010 Report Posted July 18, 2010 I feel like this suggestion is saying "some people abused the bug, so let the rest of the players abuse it to."... and...... Ur just lazy to go and Mvp it over and over. and i dont hav thana, yet i still can beat em. :x And what Cirrus Say, "Having it able to drop is already fair to everyone."
maxlittle007 Posted July 18, 2010 Author Report Posted July 18, 2010 Simply, I chose a "sure" way of obtaining it. But having it able to drop, it is already fair for everyone, you just have to do your fragment placing and stuff. But by both ways, it's still hard. Why I am not disturbed over the fact that a few players got it through a "bug exploit", I guess, it's just me accepting what happened and taking advantage that there were actually cards circulating, and just worked hard to buy one, rather than spending possibly way more hours MVP-ing for it. Wow thats easier said than done for a 0.01% card drop rate.Well Cirrus aka ken you might have spent coupons on your thanatos card,BUT you got that card from another person who already got it from that 10% drop rate glitch ,Just because you spent coupons coupons on your thana card ,that doesnt have to be a fair decision for everyone,AND besides you said that you spend coupons on your thana,that clearly shows you havent got thana from the mvp itself.How many players are capable of getting 8000 or 10000 or 14000 coupons? Just because you spent coupons on a thana the fact that thana cards in the economy are illelegal doesnt change. If you spent coupons on a thana thats your own thing,you did it on your own free will,it doesnt have to do anything with beign fair. Buying something thats already illelegal cannot be considered as a legal/fair thing. By the way the first 3 lines is the quoted message from Cirrus's post.Sorry i forgot to quote it
Rayray Posted July 18, 2010 Report Posted July 18, 2010 id rather have no thana either, but we cannot hope for it sadly. i do like the idea of raising the drop rate but not much. a .1 would be nice or anything lesser than .5 percent would still be good, but it isn't necessary. a lot had thana, i had mine a long time ago :p(it was gone for personal reasons). and new players can obtain thana, but not as fast as they want it to be. it would be unfair to some who got it when it was .01. some guys got it when it was 10% but still, not everyone has them.
supream Posted July 18, 2010 Report Posted July 18, 2010 just donate your house you will get one. i rather have no thana either. its really only good for champ for a one on one use. people just use thana for ganging.
Terroryst Posted July 20, 2010 Report Posted July 20, 2010 I say don't raise the drop rate of Thana. I've owned a Thana and used it before, and I currently play without it but I have the choice of using it if I want to, BUT anybody can play fine without it. When you become dependent on the Thana is when you lose your skill in my opinion anyway.
maxlittle007 Posted July 26, 2010 Author Report Posted July 26, 2010 Earlier i had 2 options regarding this suggestions 1 : Raise the thanatos card drop rate to 10% OR 2 : Wipe out the illelegal thana cards in the server I do have a third suggestion aswell, 3 : When thanatos card is used the player's sp should go become 0 for fallen bishop card users. So only NON FBH card users can use skills when a thanatos card is equipped. Thanatos card users can only melee. [ in this case thanatos card drop need to be raised to 10% & the existing thanas can stay even though they are illelegal ones plus it will be fair enough for all players] You guys should realize i am not specifically asking the gm to raise the thanatos card drop to 10%. All i am saying is,if thana card is made available in the server,every single player should be able to get it from their effort,and if it isnt made available it no one should have it.Why should it be in the middle situation where it totally makes it unfair afterall they only go the card because of that 10% drop rate glitch.
Xtopher Posted July 26, 2010 Report Posted July 26, 2010 I don't think I can agree with any of those three options. I believe at best the drop rate could be bumped to .5%-1%. No more, definitely not 10%. Wiping the "illegal cards" would 1: Probably be difficult to do. 2: Would skyrocket the price/value of all the legitimate cards (do you really want that?). 3: People who bought or traded for Thanas and didn't know the ones they were getting were obtained through a glitch would be punished (I don't think thats fair). Nerfing the card for everyone but melee users is not fair at all in my opinion.
Perishable Posted July 26, 2010 Report Posted July 26, 2010 (edited) Earlier i had 2 options regarding this suggestions 1 : Raise the thanatos card drop rate to 10% OR 2 : Wipe out the illelegal thana cards in the server I do have a third suggestion aswell, 3 : When thanatos card is used the player's sp should go become 0 for fallen bishop card users. So only NON FBH card users can use skills when a thanatos card is equipped. Thanatos card users can only melee. [ in this case thanatos card drop need to be raised to 10% & the existing thanas can stay even though they are illelegal ones plus it will be fair enough for all players] You guys should realize i am not specifically asking the gm to raise the thanatos card drop to 10%. All i am saying is,if thana card is made available in the server,every single player should be able to get it from their effort,and if it isnt made available it no one should have it.Why should it be in the middle situation where it totally makes it unfair afterall they only go the card because of that 10% drop rate glitch. 1. No 2. No 3. No Not fair to us, the thanatos users. You guys just want things better for you. It's balanced already. If you see someone using thanatos, you can just switch to skolls. What's wrong with doing that? They made that card for a reason. Why don't you guys help and be supportive instead of suggesting all the time about things that are not even worth suggesting for. I understand some suggestions that are important and in need of accepting into the game but seriously? this? I know alot of server that has the same drop rate for Thanatos; 0.01%. Some are lower drop rate than this. To me, thanatos drop rate is fine the way it is. It's the current drop rate for this server. We are the Forsaken. Edited July 26, 2010 by Perishable
maxlittle007 Posted July 26, 2010 Author Report Posted July 26, 2010 You guys just want things better for you so you can beat us Dude those are my lines.Why? you guys shouldnt be defeated till the the end?shoudnt other players get chances?,you just want the server to get stuck with old players all the way up?Its obvious for all thana users to think that way coz you only think about yourself.And seriously what makes you think thana users dont switch to incant weap when we switch to skolls[if we switch to skolls why shouldnt you guys switch to incant?].You just wanna stay undefeated till the end. Well that isnt gonna support other players and mostly new players[it will only support thana users]. And Yes your right many servers have their thana drop rate to 0.01% BUT there no one has thana unless its specified under donation. It is only balanced when theres many thana or no thana at all [A middle situation is totally unfair for everyone since you guys only got the card through a glitch]
Kittie Posted July 26, 2010 Report Posted July 26, 2010 (edited) Of course a thana user would switch to an Incantation-carded weapon when their opponent switches to skolls, What Perishable was saying is that in this situation, where you have ultimately negated the effects of Thanatos by using skolls, is it's a more "fair" playing field. If you are still having problems dueling against Incantation Samurai wielding players, then it obviously isn't a problem with the existence or availability of Thanatos cards. The idea of Skoll cards is to force the player to switch off their Thanatos weapons. When you say, "Then you put on Incantation Samurai cards," it's ridiculous, since you're using Incantation Samurai cards too, so I don't get it. It's pretty much even steven from there. Edited July 26, 2010 by Kittie
Sorrow Posted July 26, 2010 Report Posted July 26, 2010 Let's make a shield card that sets equip def+VIT def to 0~-1(Satan Morocc/Gopinich Card :D). i have a problem with skoll; can't use sinx card, which is a key on my playing style xD Alternatively, we could tag Thana users to have a big 'T' appear above their head when they equip thana xP Maxlittle, your suggestion is, overall, good. But your latest three options weren't very happy; there's no way the card will be risen to 10% drop rate, we need to work with more realistic hypotheses. Wiping items from the server is always no-no. And i'm sure no one would like the third. Let's try for a rise to 1%~0.5%...
supream Posted July 26, 2010 Report Posted July 26, 2010 man how long ago was this mistake happened. i dont know how far geni could go back to see who got thana cards when this happened, but now its no point. he probably took care of it when the mistake happened. no one really needs thanatos to win a duel.
Perishable Posted July 26, 2010 Report Posted July 26, 2010 You guys just want things better for you so you can beat us. I meant to say to make things better for them. no one really needs thanatos to win a duel. exactly.
Sorrow Posted July 27, 2010 Report Posted July 27, 2010 Get this perspective; loyal player of FRo for two years, killing Thana at regular basis, not getting its card so far. How's that fair? You don't need Thana to win, but just admit it; it is powerful and its ability is a big edge. If it wasn't powerful it wouldn't have its low drop rate correct? So please, no hipocresy. It's not about wanting to be better, its about being equal.
Fyasko Posted July 27, 2010 Report Posted July 27, 2010 r u joking than4t0s is da best card in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No for real, people get lucky and don't have to kill 2 million to get a card.. why do you think it sells at such a ridiculous price??
veg Posted July 27, 2010 Report Posted July 27, 2010 here is my suggestion... simple and easy...; 1. close this thread 2. throw this into rejects~ 3. done and keep it like that 4. theres no need thana card drop rate to be change.. once they change the drop rate.. others will ask to change something else also.. so no need to be change what has been like usual for more then 2 yrs+.. Agree??
maxlittle007 Posted July 27, 2010 Author Report Posted July 27, 2010 Veg aka Qistina delevega the one thing i really like to throw into rejects is your post here. 1.rejected 2.rejected 3.rejected 4.rejected I agree.
