bankai` Posted June 22, 2010 Report Posted June 22, 2010 (edited) Well I play melee on my super baby and using 2 fbh really reduce my sp usage like 1 buff would take out all of my sp. I have to use another ygg even using 2 sp consumption Cards is still crap. I forgot the name but come on those slots are meant for Kiel and a must. I would like to suggest to increase there sp to 600+ without using ygg for every spell I cast instead of using it heal while pvping Idk is 600 to much? Give me some feed back Edited June 22, 2010 by bankai`
Soop Posted June 23, 2010 Report Posted June 23, 2010 (edited) god that would be nice to have more sp. i have a baby sn and my int is over 200 and i get about 140 sp with full fset. maybe just give them a 50% sp boost or sumthin would be ok so you can use bless,agi,and improve concentration , without usin 3 berries to do it. but then again people wihtout 2 fbh would have a ton of sp... but it wouldnt hurt too much since its a freakin SUPER NOVICE... ftw Edited June 23, 2010 by Soop
bankai` Posted June 23, 2010 Author Report Posted June 23, 2010 god that would be nice to have more sp. i have a baby sn and my int is over 200 and i get about 140 sp with full fset. maybe just give them a 50% sp boost or sumthin would be ok so you can use bless,agi,and improve concentration , without usin 3 berries to do it. but then again people wihtout 2 fbh would have a ton of sp... but it wouldnt hurt too much since its a freakin SUPER NOVICE... ftw i have 249 sp on my lk can i get a boost? Well if you're a magic type baby i don't think having 5k sp would make you strongest character in the game because you can counter by gtb obviously. oh and supreme we are talking about baby here not a trans class, baby sp are more cripple then LK so don't even compare and and the sp on baby its a joke, all I'm asking for is a little sp boost not a ultimate boost soo I don't see why not..
Ryuk Posted June 24, 2010 Report Posted June 24, 2010 Every class has crap sp with double fbh, I don't see why supernovices shouldn't have this disadvantage.
Phenomenon Posted June 24, 2010 Report Posted June 24, 2010 i have 249 sp on my lk can i get a boost?
Xtopher Posted June 24, 2010 Report Posted June 24, 2010 Its true, If you're going to equip those cards you should have to suffer the drawbacks like everyone else.. And the helm card you're looking for is Pharaoh I believe. Why do you need Kiels if 1 spell takes all of your sp? Sounds like a waste in spaming to me.
bankai` Posted June 24, 2010 Author Report Posted June 24, 2010 Every class has crap sp with double fbh, I don't see why supernovices shouldn't have this disadvantage. Like I said you can't compare novice with any other class because if we are talkig about lk or sinx they are able to cast 4 spell atleast then use 1 ygg but when it comes to baby it's comes down to 1 spell cast and then ygg whoever tried playing playing melée baby will understand me and about the phroah cards they are still useless because the outcome is still the same and don't benefit from anything when using those cards so Kiel is the better choice
Ryuk Posted June 24, 2010 Report Posted June 24, 2010 Umm, basically when you go melee build you dont need kiels, you could use pharaoh cards as mentioned. So it's your own choice not using those. And yes we can compare supernovice to all other classes because they shouldn't be gods. They need to have the same drawbacks like every other class. Basically every class can only cast 1-4 skills before they're out of mana with double fbh, unless they have high int and sp adding gears.
Yukumaru Posted June 24, 2010 Report Posted June 24, 2010 How about giving SN class a better Melee attack? Afterall, Bash+Mammo aren't really that useful. And I agree with Somdara on the Super Novice weapon, be pretty useful.
plotus2 Posted June 24, 2010 Report Posted June 24, 2010 before they're out of mana >.< Reminds me of Magic Gathering.
bankai` Posted June 24, 2010 Author Report Posted June 24, 2010 Umm, basically when you go melee build you dont need kiels, you could use pharaoh cards as mentioned. So it's your own choice not using those. And yes we can compare supernovice to all other classes because they shouldn't be gods. They need to have the same drawbacks like every other class. Basically every class can only cast 1-4 skills before they're out of mana with double fbh, unless they have high int and sp adding gears. Are you and idiot who can't read? Do I really have to repeat myself I said Pharaoh cards still is crap and don't benefit novice because I still have to heal with 1 buff, and Kiel it is a must for firebolt because I'm not gonna kill anyone just using mammonite force the enemy to use gtb and I swith back to mammonite attack. Oh and using two Pharaoh and two fbh I still can only cast one buff and still have to use one ygg, so a person to jump on here asuming things makes you really retarded and shouldn't s be saying anything. Wow you just contradict yourself saying super baby can't be compared cause there only baby, saying they shouldn't get buff this that blah blah blah on other thread. I understand the drawback part but CASTING one spell with all these sp consumption cards and I still have to use one ygg? That's just ridiculous. I'm only asking for a little sp increase to allow me to cast atleast 3-4 spell without having to heal for every spell I cast so don't give me bullshit unless you test it out yourself.
Rayray Posted June 25, 2010 Report Posted June 25, 2010 -_- then cast your buffs first before putting your 2x fbh shoes. and we thought you are going for melee baby so what's with the firebolt and mammonite. make yourself clear first. switch items dude, it is not that hard.
bankai` Posted June 25, 2010 Author Report Posted June 25, 2010 (edited) -_- then cast your buffs first before putting your 2x fbh shoes. and we thought you are going for melee baby so what's with the firebolt and mammonite. make yourself clear first. switch items dude, it is not that hard. "then cast your buffs first before putting your 2x" that also goes for casting mammonite skill, don't be a smart ass lets see you use ygg after every bowling bash spell or every AV atk, I didn't think soo ehh? Do I really have to explain myself about the firebolt and the mammonite... its called having tactics its like using pressure and sacrafice to fight a chamption tactics bro.. you must have a kiel instead of a Sp consumption card because then pressure will be super slow and useless and I am being clear you just cant read. Edited June 25, 2010 by bankai`
Rayray Posted June 25, 2010 Report Posted June 25, 2010 (edited) then its not melee, i doubt you would hit people. your tactic is casting firebolt then if they change to gtb you use mammonite. then for sure, it ISN'T MELEE. you can use hollowring if you want. and... Firebolt sp cost= 10+ 2*skill level(level 10)= 30 sp Mammonite sp cost= 5 sp. Bash sp cost level 10= 15sp SO NO, YOU DO NOT YGG EVERY SKILL YOU CAST WITH 100 SP. Sorry I can be a smart ass whenever I want. With the SP costs shown now, your argument of having low sp that you can only cast one skill at a time before you ygg is invalid. The only explanation why your sp depletes so much is that you might be defaulting GTB card, if you are then DO NOT DEFAULT IT. Edited June 25, 2010 by ZerO25
Rayray Posted June 25, 2010 Report Posted June 25, 2010 anyone who would be putting inputs on this matter? I believe that Super Babies are fine the way they are, no need for this.
Ryuk Posted June 25, 2010 Report Posted June 25, 2010 Are you and idiot who can't read? Do I really have to repeat myself I said Pharaoh cards still is crap and don't benefit novice because I still have to heal with 1 buff, and Kiel it is a must for firebolt because I'm not gonna kill anyone just using mammonite force the enemy to use gtb and I swith back to mammonite attack. Oh and using two Pharaoh and two fbh I still can only cast one buff and still have to use one ygg, so a person to jump on here asuming things makes you really retarded and shouldn't s be saying anything. Wow you just contradict yourself saying super baby can't be compared cause there only baby, saying they shouldn't get buff this that blah blah blah on other thread. I understand the drawback part but CASTING one spell with all these sp consumption cards and I still have to use one ygg? That's just ridiculous. I'm only asking for a little sp increase to allow me to cast atleast 3-4 spell without having to heal for every spell I cast so don't give me bullshit unless you test it out yourself. This is the last time I warn you for your use of language. Before I start adding real forum warnings. To get back on topic. First you say you want to play melee then you suddenly want to use firebolt ? Can you please make up your mind ? Also with pharaoh cards you can completely nullify use of sp so yes, it does help... And yes in the other topic I mentioned we SHOULDN'T be able to compare this class with the advanced classes, but with the ridiculously huge buffs we have given this class it's actually stronger than some, if not most of the advanced classes. So yes we can compare them. With every topic you made it's not the class that needs a buff it's you trying something ridiculous and then you turn out to be surprised if you happen to find drawbacks in your plan.
bankai` Posted June 25, 2010 Author Report Posted June 25, 2010 This is the last time I warn you for your use of language. Before I start adding real forum warnings. To get back on topic. First you say you want to play melee then you suddenly want to use firebolt ? Can you please make up your mind ? Also with pharaoh cards you can completely nullify use of sp so yes, it does help... And yes in the other topic I mentioned we SHOULDN'T be able to compare this class with the advanced classes, but with the ridiculously huge buffs we have given this class it's actually stronger than some, if not most of the advanced classes. So yes we can compare them. With every topic you made it's not the class that needs a buff it's you trying something ridiculous and then you turn out to be surprised if you happen to find drawbacks in your plan. I'm not gonna even speak to you anymore lmao, maybe if you read the entire post you would understand things a little more Oh you're giving me a warning for what, for asking if you're and idiot and for saying you're acting retarded LMAO don't make me laugh I've seen people say worst and you posted in that topic, so don't give me bull that you didn't see it. Just cause you're a GM don't think I'm going to treat you any different. So if you're gonna give me warning %increase i suggest you start handing out a lot because looks like people are getting away with far way worst things that I've said.
iRawr Posted June 25, 2010 Report Posted June 25, 2010 (edited) I'm not gonna even speak to you anymore lmao, maybe if you read the entire post you would understand things a little more Oh you're giving me a warning for what, for asking if you're and idiot and for saying you're acting retarded LMAO don't make me laugh I've seen people say worst and you posted in that topic, so don't give me bull that you didn't see it. Just cause you're a GM don't think I'm going to treat you any different. So if you're gonna give me warning %increase i suggest you start handing out a lot because looks like people are getting away with far way worst things that I've said. The only person acting retarTED is you. All of your suggestions are to make the class your currently playing overpowered and then you act all surprised when the obvious flaws are pointed out to you. Here ill summarise some of the points made against you. Umm, basically when you go melee build you dont need kiels, you could use pharaoh cards as mentioned you can use hollowring if you want. Firebolt sp cost= 10+ 2*skill level(level 10)= 30 sp Mammonite sp cost= 5 sp. Bash sp cost level 10= 15sp SO NO, YOU DO NOT YGG EVERY SKILL YOU CAST WITH 100 SP The only explanation why your sp depletes so much is that you might be defaulting GTB card, if you are then DO NOT DEFAULT IT. And yes in the other topic I mentioned we SHOULDN'T be able to compare this class with the advanced classes, but with the ridiculously huge buffs we have given this class it's actually stronger than some, if not most of the advanced classes. So yes we can compare them. I believe that Super Babies are fine the way they are, no need for this. Edited June 25, 2010 by iRawr
Apo Posted June 25, 2010 Report Posted June 25, 2010 I remember spamming more seeds due to my sp than hp on my melee SN
bankai` Posted June 25, 2010 Author Report Posted June 25, 2010 The only person acting retarTED is you. All of your suggestions are to make the class your currently playing overpowered and then you act all surprised when the obvious flaws are pointed out to you. Here ill summarise some of the points made against you. Okay all your quotes are useless and most of them I already explain and I don't need to explain to idiot like you again and all I'm asking is and SP boost which is necessary so don't come out me like you no something which you don't kid.
supream Posted June 25, 2010 Report Posted June 25, 2010 I'm not gonna even speak to you anymore lmao, maybe if you read the entire post you would understand things a little more Oh you're giving me a warning for what, for asking if you're and idiot and for saying you're acting retarded LMAO don't make me laugh I've seen people say worst and you posted in that topic, so don't give me bull that you didn't see it. Just cause you're a GM don't think I'm going to treat you any different. So if you're gonna give me warning %increase i suggest you start handing out a lot because looks like people are getting away with far way worst things that I've said. ur going to get banned from forums my dude.
bankai` Posted June 25, 2010 Author Report Posted June 25, 2010 ur going to get banned from forums my dude. LMAO okay =]
Rayray Posted June 25, 2010 Report Posted June 25, 2010 No, you didn't explain the ones he quoted on me, when I put the sp cost of the skills you might be using. you wouldn't ygg every skill you do as you claim it to be. even with 100 sp, you would be able to cast up to 1 fb and 2 mammonites before ygging. Every other class who uses 2fbh got this problem unless they are int based classes(most noticeable on LKs, I ygg at about 3-4 bowling bashes/magnum breaks). SN got a lot of buffs for it already, I see a few guys that could hold their own in pvp using them(I believe you are not one of them). Making suggestion and then bashing on other people's opinion about it is STUPID. That is why it is called a SUGGESTION.
