Av Spam

[Adamxd]

Could add delay? SB spam is only possible with 4 kiels. With 2 kiels you can do like 2-3 AV. with 3 kiels you can ultimate spam. So I suggest to add some delay, clowns&gypsies are already overpowered.

[Adamxd]

I only said that with 2 kiels you are able to do 2-3 avs. With 2 kiels you can do 1 sb, with 3 kiels sometimes 2 sb. With 3 kiels clown&gypsy can spam like hell +slot for maya/f soldier. Their hp is pretty nice now, and you can apple yourself. I didn't mention TAROT SPAM WHICH IS crazy.

[Cirrus]

No you can't do 2-3 simultaneously on only 2 Kiels.

Edited June 14, 2010 by Cirrus

[Adamxd]

Wanna bet?

[supream]

im not agreeing on anything but adam is right. clowns have 220k-230k hp with them having 290 dex. thats what i got on my clown. and ive seen people spam 2 to 3 avs with 2 keils ( some with one but thats another story). with 3 keils on u can spam 4 or even 5 at times.

[Leaz]

I think they're fine the way they are.

[Cirrus]

As discussed not everyone can spam 2-3 on 2 Kiels, only a select group of players. How is having less than 50 ping and having difficulty spamming 3 AVs on 3 Kiels explained? Skill is not involved... it's merely pressing a hotkey and clicking on a player. It's more of a technicality.

It does not apply to the general population and personally, it should be left as is. SB is not the only offensive skill that a SinX has, and while it needs that additional Kiel above the 3rd or a link or Expert Rings, its damage output (because of EDP) is greater than AV. Reasonable trade-off.

[Kittie]

I spam a lot. Regardless, AV spam damage burst is not able to kill every class even if you spam 4-5 AVs in succession. These classes involve...well any class that uses a Usakoring-carded Forsaken Shield. This might be because of two reasons:

1) They have enough HP since AV only does like average 30-40k (x5 is only 200k - that's like an Asura) and no, that's not including Thanatos users.

2) The target player knows that you can ygg in between each AV to keep your HP up.

Comparing Arrow Vulcan to Sonic Blow? LOL?

SinX's have the ability to melee DPS a player til they drop, with Sonic Blow being a high burst damage ability combined with their EDP. Spamming 2 is pretty much all they need.

Gypsies and clowns don't have the luxury of high melee damage - the way they kill is usually through AV spamming or Tarot coma.

The skills have different uses for each class. :|

[Rayray]

Ping is considered on the AV spam like Cirrus said, I tried having 2 kiels but since at the time I tested it, I was so far from the server(I was in Singapore) and I cannot spam like what you are saying. I cannot even spam TSS well with 100+ping i think. If your ping is about <50 yes you could probably spam it, I am not sure.

[Adamxd]

You all don't agree, becuz clown gypsy is easy to play and overpowerd and you all use it. my ping is 150.

[» Pat]

Lol'd @ 'easy to play'. My ping's 130 & I'm not whining either.

[Rayray]

.. I think it is easier to use sinx, you just edp and click on someone then spam yggs

when using paladins all you do is wait for someone to attack you and let them die on their own damage while you spam yggs..

I think champ would be a challenge, press zen, fury, zen. asura ygg and you kill someone.

And I do not disagree because I own a clown, or even use one. In fact, the last time I used clown was 4 months ago, when I still have kiels. I do not see why we need to debuff the class, AV hits like 4k -6k maximum on people with usakoring shield and that is like, EVERYONE WHO PVPS. SB hits 9k-11k per hit on people with the same shield.

Thana is so easily counterable by skolls even if you have humongous VIT.

and I'll just quote Gilgamesh on this..

some people want changes so that their character can kill any class

[supream]

comparing sinx and clown isnt smart. since clowns av is ranged and only requires 3 keils and u can use shield. while sb is short ranged and requires 4 keils. tarrot beats almost every class who dosent wear gtb. also it lowers the sb dmg to do 6k or less a hit. sb hits 7 times av hits 9 times. sinx is one of the easier classes to play. pally has harder to play then u think. what if u were to fight a ws, what now? playing champ isnt easy.just because u dont like what someone says about something other then you dosent mean you should quote them. attack the topic not the person.

[Apo]

AV is more than fine, and let's not forget that you can spam more AV's when hit due to sprite stuff, I'd only complain if someone does "8 AV because I got a fast connection" bswpegayhomoshitfuck since I got 42 ping and I couldn't spam more than 6.

[supream]

thats the problem. obviously some people have extreme difficulty trying to kill clowns.

[Forum~]

4-5 people being able to spam a whole lot shouldn't mean the rest of the people who play the class should suffer.

as a server we shouldn't balance all of the classes based on whether or not they're stronger than sinx. god damnit finally people aren't all flocking to sinx and you're complaining? after all of the suggestions to make other classes up to par for high rate game play?

ok i think this thread needs to be closed and rejected now.

Basically sums up my opinions on the matter.

You all don't agree, becuz clown gypsy is easy to play and overpowerd and you all use it. my ping is 150.

easy to play? oh i'm sorry, what are your mains? champ, sinx, and paladin?

LOOOOOL.

[bankai`]

I want this change so I can easily kill them yes agree +10

[Poringly]

lrn2play.

[Veggie&Mac]

I only said that with 2 kiels you are able to do 2-3 avs. With 2 kiels you can do 1 sb, with 3 kiels sometimes 2 sb. With 3 kiels clown&gypsy can spam like hell +slot for maya/f soldier. Their hp is pretty nice now, and you can apple yourself. I didn't mention TAROT SPAM WHICH IS crazy.

Are you hitting vulcan arrows with 2 kiels?? man is imposible do 3 like a spam...only do 2 avs, with 3 kiels you can do 3 like spam, but dont matter how many kiels do you have if you dont know how to spam.

I dont know if you really really know how to play with clown or gypsy.

[Danny]

Lol I don't agree with this at all. Clown/Gypsy are fine the way they are. My ping is more pro, I have 410+, please try spamming AV with that kind of shitty ping lol.... but I still play - Blackheart - no matter what cause I have fun on it. They are ways to counter AV damages anyway. It's not the end of the World, when a few players can spam 4 - 5 AVs. And like what Kittie said, even if you are able to spam 4 - 5 AVs, it can't kill all the classes in the game lol

Edited June 15, 2010 by - Edelweiss -

[Rayray]

Stonecurse would screw clowns/gypsies with 3 kiels and maya purple anyway.

[Adamxd]

Lol I don't agree with this at all. Clown/Gypsy are fine the way they are. My ping is more pro, I have 410+, please try spamming AV with that kind of shitty ping lol.... but I still play - Blackheart - no matter what cause I have fun on it. They are ways to counter AV damages anyway. It's not the end of the World, when a few players can spam 4 - 5 AVs. And like what Kittie said, even if you are able to spam 4 - 5 AVs, it can't kill all the classes in the game lol

It's possible... I can show you.And clown can easily kill my mains (champ - tarot - deacresing atk, stuck or coma then av. same with sinx, and pally can't do shit so yeah).

[Kittie]

Coma'ing then AV'ing to kill requires only one AV...so that isn't credited to AV "spam"

[Apo]

Let's make it simple, a spam is max 6 av and can be ygg'd through, we shouldn't nerf a class due to someone's connection issue who can't ygg inbetween.

[supream]

i always thought tarrot was more of a problem then av.