Ninjas Should Get 50% From Tao Not 30%

[ginkgo]

ninjas have such a small amount of hp i was very surprised when i saw it. I had on 2 taos(30% ea) 2 skolls(8%ea) 2 vit belts 1 peco peco wings (10%)

and 300 + 120 vit and i only had 270k hp max.

I was like is this for real?..... I think ninjas should either join the gunslingers or stalkers on Tao Gunkas effect.

With that much HP gear i should have about 400k hp. on my stalker with that same gear i get 570k hp....

Also Ninjas need Hp to use their Final Strike Skill. And its annoying to coma yourself for an attack that does 20- 40k hp on a geared person.

Edited June 6, 2010 by ginkgo

[Shadi]

Disagreed, Ninjas have huge survivability with their dodging skills already. Giving them such a huge amount of hp would make them invincible. Ninjas are a first class, hence why they also have lower hp. Yet their hp is still higher than whitesmiths one :3.

Edited June 6, 2010 by Shadi

[ginkgo]

Its not about survivability I want the Hp to be increased because of Final Strike that skill should be on equal ground to Asura most likely even than Asura. If the Hp cannot be increased then increase the damage it does with the current HP it will need to be Amped at least 3 times what it is now. Like i said every time i use Final Strike i basically coma myself its not like Asura that u can take hits i cant even take 1 hit no matter how small.

This skill due to the risks of using it in active PvP should be = to or greater than Asura and at the moment the most i do on geared normal players is 50k and I'm FULL VIT/HP Build!

That means in order for me to use this skill now i have to take up all my resistive card slots like garment and Amor

to put Tao and Skoll and it really is no use at the moment doe to the low damage it does.

I request at least a 3 times amplification boost of its damage. Because i do a FS on someone and do 30k my lowest damage and a champ did 170 with his Asura he was full Asura and I'm full FS. My skill is harder to use as well as more complicated to fight with.

I have to keep cicada up which freezes u when u use it making u a siting duck

I have to do shadow

I have to do soul

I have to keep dragon fire formation around me to stop nearby assassins and if the enemy does not have GTB it means he has resist so i have to hit him with Ice Spear while keeping my defenses up and hope i don't get cornered. Then IF he changed to GTB i can SF him for 100k which he survives and Yggs it off and i can never kill them I'm to busy setting up defense and running away.

Not to mention if i get hit from some ranged Attack i have to be ready to use reverse tatami.

The entire fight is me basically guarding myself from attacks because once i take the time to do Final Strike if i don't kill him I'm dead. Thats why its called Final Strike so the damage output has to be a bit greater than Asura.

and all that is just to fight 1 person if its more than 1 forget it... A major problem is cicada's freeze time.

On top of it all My low health and my inability to block magics with skills leaves me at a 1hit Bolt K.O. Thus i have to use GTB and lose 35% resist.

In the end you spend so much time trying to survive you don't even get to attack back because if you do you know he will kill you because you only have 1hp after.

So yes if the HP cannot be increased then Increase the damage of the skill because what good is surviving when you cant kill anything.

Edited June 6, 2010 by ginkgo

[Rayray]

Disagree. As Shadi said, ninjas are already hard to kill because of cicada(2 kiels make the delay almost nothing, 3 kiels remove the "freeze" you are talking about). Also, Final Strike has its advantages although unlike asura, it doesn't ignore defense(which can be easily removed by using incantation samurai or thana if you want). FS is also a ranged attack so reflect won't kill you. Ninjas got shadow leap to get them out of harms way too. illusory shadow is helps too. It might be on your gears or card combination since the last time I checked with my Ninja, I hit at least 100k Final Strike and I am not Full FS yet.

[ginkgo]

DUDE I'm full Final Strike build FULL HP BUILD I have everything you can have to gain HP except ROP for a skill that comas you every time you use it it freaking sucks. Also you can't use a Hiding card to jump around because it takes a vit belt off and makes you even weaker.

Don't try to go around the fact that this skill acts in the same way as an asura only that it takes all your hp instead. which is far mor dangerous than your sp being takes! Your giving yourself coma every time you do it. Therefor this skill's damage should be > Asura as long as you have an incant.

Here is my Full build so you can judge by yourself.

Gears:

Forsaken King Helm: Kiel

Fallen Ghost: All Stats + 20, Maya P

Peco Peco Wings: (Max HP + 10%)

Forsaken Kings Armor: Tao x2 (Max Hp +60%)

Main Gauche+10: Incant,Turtle Gen,Skell Worker x2

Valkyrie Shield: GTB

Forsaken Kings Cloak: Skoll x2 (Max HP+ 16)

Forsaken Kings Shoes: FBH x2 (+100% damage)

Donation Vit Belt: Vit +40

Donation Vit Belt: Vit +40

Stats:

Str: 77 + 21

Agi: 1 + 58

Vit: 270 + 121

Int: 190 + 45

Dex: 104 + 46

Luk: 2 + 44

Max HP: 260345

Max SP: 664

My Max Damage was 500k on a Not Resistant Person

Full Resist Dmg: (Full Gears)

30K - 50K

Semi Resist:(No Usakoring Shield)

70K - 100K

That is my stats on my char. I cant really get to much better than what i am now except by getting RoP and Fking Shield and Elite Dagger.

Edited June 6, 2010 by ginkgo

[Danny]

I disagree. even if you do 50k on someone, if you are skill enough or fast enough. You are still able to kill players. Survivability counts in no matter what situation you are in. If you want to get more HP, you should get buffs and Apple of Idun to get more HP so you could do more damage with your Final Strike and you should try it with Ice Pick. Obviously you have to use GTB instead of Usakoring in your FShield, you still have the upper hand using Cicada Shell for your defenses.

[Annie]

my ninja used to do 999k on poeple with no resists, if yours only does 500k you fail, sorry. =_=

[supream]

http://forum.forsaken-ro.net/index.php?showtopic=16181

i dont know why people keep reposting this

[Anarii]

Final Strike that skill should be on equal ground to Asura most likely even than Asura.

lolno

[Rayray]

Why not sacrifice ONE accessory slot for a hiding accessory so you can shadow leap away? You are not utilizing ninjas OTHER SKILLS. You only use FS and i thought you are pure FS? Why have int? a throwing type/ FS is a better build since you carry more yggs that way. And there is the problem, 1 KIEL only. and how slow do you ygg anyway? after casting FS you can ygg right away... So I disagree on your suggestion, I played with my Ninja and I didn't have the problem you have. It is just a matter on how you use your character dude.

[ginkgo]

You need Int to force people to put on GTb once they put it on you smack em with FS. You have to use tactics with ninja at the moment because you have to kill them on the first hit if you don't your screwed.

And sacrificing ONE Vit belt plays a big role in your final FS damage. You don't want to lower your FS damage its hard enough killing with it as it is.

When you FS a player they immediately ygg and start pushing you back because of cicada also if you have someone doing damage on you you cant use FS because you coma yourself and die in 1 hit.

Edited June 7, 2010 by ginkgo

[Josef]

Learn to play. I saw a Ninja able to fight and spam FS on a sinx while he was being attacked.

[Danny]

Learn to play. I saw a Ninja able to fight and spam FS on a sinx while he was being attacked.

Lol I seen a couple of Ninjas who are able to do this. I forgot who though o__o;; Either Mel or someone else LOL

[Rayray]

um with that kind of int, I won't be forced to switch to gtb, i'd just use maya and watch you die. removing one vit belt isn't that huge of a problem, unless you cannot put more vit because you put stats on a secondary stat that won't even help you with FS. On what you want (Tao +50%) or on your part, 2 Taos for 100% increase in hp is way, way, way too much. Only you seems to be having problems with FS since you want your ONE strategy to work, and it doesn't. I think you might have already forced people to GTB and you still cannot kill them with one FS. and to be honest, what you want is FS becoming a one-hit wonder(when you said you want it to become greater than Asura). reducts play a huge role and most full asuras hit people with gr and usakoring <150 unless they got 2 thanas.

I suggest you learn the class more on how to survive and spam fs... and get yourself 2 more kiels, and use your OTHER skills.

[kuoch]

What ninjas really need are weight enlargement and 1h weps.

[sEretLy cute In disguiZe]

DUDE I'm full Final Strike build FULL HP BUILD I have everything you can have to gain HP except ROP for a skill that comas you every time you use it it freaking sucks. Also you can't use a Hiding card to jump around because it takes a vit belt off and makes you even weaker.

Don't try to go around the fact that this skill acts in the same way as an asura only that it takes all your hp instead. which is far mor dangerous than your sp being takes! Your giving yourself coma every time you do it. Therefor this skill's damage should be > Asura as long as you have an incant.

Here is my Full build so you can judge by yourself.

Gears:

Forsaken King Helm: Kiel

Fallen Ghost: All Stats + 20, Maya P

Peco Peco Wings: (Max HP + 10%)

Forsaken Kings Armor: Tao x2 (Max Hp +60%)

Main Gauche+10: Incant,Turtle Gen,Skell Worker x2

Valkyrie Shield: GTB

Forsaken Kings Cloak: Skoll x2 (Max HP+ 16)

Forsaken Kings Shoes: FBH x2 (+100% damage)

Donation Vit Belt: Vit +40

Donation Vit Belt: Vit +40

Stats:

Str: 77 + 21

Agi: 1 + 58

Vit: 270 + 121

Int: 190 + 45

Dex: 104 + 46

Luk: 2 + 44

Max HP: 260345

Max SP: 664

My Max Damage was 500k on a Not Resistant Person

Full Resist Dmg: (Full Gears)

30K - 50K

Semi Resist:(No Usakoring Shield)

70K - 100K

That is my stats on my char. I cant really get to much better than what i am now except by getting RoP and Fking Shield and Elite Dagger.

so this is why you ninja fails :/ Never use inca on your wep pretty pointless

next I suggest go on a hybrid build being all FS is kinda idiotic without utilizing every skill

LSOI+Kunai throw+FS combos ftw

Get 2x tgens and btw

try changing your f helm to santa poring hat

[Rayray]

^

ummm, you need incan to hit good damage with FS... and an int-throw type-fs build won't deal any good damage.

[Forum~]

Therefor this skill's damage should be > Asura as long as you have an incant.

No, you have 3 worthy evasion skills: Cicada, Illusionary shadow, and flip tatami.

Here is my Full build so you can judge by yourself.

Gears:

Forsaken King Helm: Kiel

Fallen Ghost: All Stats + 20, Maya P

Peco Peco Wings: (Max HP + 10%)

Forsaken Kings Armor: Tao x2 (Max Hp +60%)

Main Gauche+10: Incant,Turtle Gen,Skell Worker x2

Valkyrie Shield: GTB

Forsaken Kings Cloak: Skoll x2 (Max HP+ 16)

Forsaken Kings Shoes: FBH x2 (+100% damage)

Donation Vit Belt: Vit +40

Donation Vit Belt: Vit +40

My Max Damage was 500k on a Not Resistant Person

My revision to your build:

Forsaken King Helm: Kiel

Fallen Ghost: All Stats + 20, Maya P

RuckSack: Fsoldier

Forsaken Kings Armor: Tao x2 (Max Hp +60%)

Main Gauche+10: Incant,2 Turtle Gen,Civil Servant (or Skelw)

IP would help

Fshield: GTB

Forsaken Kings Cloak: Skoll, Assassin Cross (with cloaking, more survivability)

Forsaken Kings Shoes: FBH x2 (+100% damage)

Donation Vit Belt: Vit +40

Donation Vit Belt: Vit +40

As for build

29x vit, 150 dex, 195 atkspeed, enough int to cast soul and FS minimum, rest on str.

you should hit 999k on someone with absolutely no reducts.

lolno

agreed ;].

[Rayray]

^

almost the same as mine but I am more on a throw type so I had more str than vit. Agree with kuoch, One hand ninja fuuma is what ninjas need. and gingko, not every build that worked on other servers will work everytime. so adjust your playing style. follow forum's build and you will do good on FS. oh yeah you should have 2 kiels at least.

[Veracity]

We've already accepted another suggestion about helping the ninja class, but I don't think it would be a good idea to increase Tao HP for ninjas that much. We will be doing things to try to help out this class though. (:

- Rejected -