Sniper Double Strafe Damage;

[Cirrus]

^ Lol I know.

What's everyone afraid of? Snipers popping out after a boost and owning everyone? I still don't see that happening to be honest. A small boost would be an incentive to play, but Snipers are still fodder to a lot of classes.

What's so bad about boosting the formula of DS from 380% total to around 400% ?

[bankai`]

^ Lol I know.

What's everyone afraid of? Snipers popping out after a boost and owning everyone? I still don't see that happening to be honest. A small boost would be an incentive to play, but Snipers are still fodder to a lot of classes.

What's so bad about boosting the formula of DS from 380% total to around 400% ?

because every little boost helps if upgrade sniper then why not upgrade creator AD dmg then ehh because creator have it more hard!

[supream]

seems like they wanted snipers to do 15k per hit to people with shields and 80k to people without. the range and the traps make them ok. focus arrow dose 21k per hit and is spammable. just make phantasmic arrow get thru penuma and give sniper bow reduces from demi humans.

[Cirrus]

Creators don't have it harder, they have shields and perma FCP. Lol. Yeah sure you need like 3-4 Kiels and lose your True Sight or F.Soldier, making you more vulnerable. Focus Arrow isn't the main skill Snipers use because of that.

[Forum~]

seems like they wanted snipers to do 15k per hit to people with shields and 80k to people without. the range and the traps make them ok. focus arrow dose 21k per hit and is spammable. just make phantasmic arrow get thru penuma and give sniper bow reduces from demi humans.

Smartest thing I've read all day.

Maybe the PvP capabilities of a certain class were set that way? I mean, you can never balance assassin cross vs. priest. Sure, because this is a PvP server, some efforts can be made to give all classes a bit of opportunity on the battlefield, but it should never stray out of its intended role.

Edited May 6, 2010 by Forum~

[kuoch]

Creators have constant FCP, shield, ice bolt, AD, did I mention you can break armor with AD?

Snipers have DS, Focus arrow (Which doesn't have the range of DS), Have to have a Bow on to do dmg. & thats pretty much it. & Vulnerable to most atttacks.

And let me also remind you, snipers is a underplayed class, no one ever plays them. Maybe boosting it will attract other players to, other than just me.

[Forum~]

some efforts can be made to give all classes a bit of opportunity on the battlefield

And let me also remind you, snipers is a underplayed class, no one ever plays them. Maybe boosting it will attract other players to, other than just me.

And so, I agree with you more or less.

[bankai`]

Creators have constant FCP, shield, ice bolt, AD, did I mention you can break armor with AD?

Snipers have DS, Focus arrow (Which doesn't have the range of DS), Have to have a Bow on to do dmg. & thats pretty much it. & Vulnerable to most atttacks.

And let me also remind you, snipers is a underplayed class, no one ever plays them. Maybe boosting it will attract other players to, other than just me.

lol who doesn't have fcp now and days.....EVERYONE

Ice bolt? USELESS! I've tryed 290 int switching and such i caant killled for shiz using ice bolt

basically creators have a screwed up offensive ability compared to snipers

no to this topic lol!

[supream]

i guess i have to demonstrate. i played sniper and pawned with focus arrow. i did it so much people decided to gang me. ill try creator.

[bankai`]

i guess i have to demonstrate. i played sniper and pawned with focus arrow. i did it so much people decided to gang me. ill try creator.

go for it ^^

[Forum~]

lol who doesn't have fcp now and days.....EVERYONE

Ice bolt? USELESS! I've tryed 290 int switching and such i caant killled for shiz using ice bolt

basically creators have a screwed up offensive ability compared to snipers

no to this topic lol!

UHH, didn't we just have this huge argument in another thread?

http://forum.forsaken-ro.net/index.php?showtopic=16900

i guess i have to demonstrate. i played sniper and pawned with focus arrow. i did it so much people decided to gang me. ill try creator.

Yeah, Mike's pwned with a lot of classes he has played /gg

[bankai`]

UHH, didn't we just have this huge argument in another thread?

http://forum.forsaken-ro.net/index.php?showtopic=16900

Yeah, Mike's pwned with a lot of classes he has played /gg

yea it was the topic i've posted up and im just replying to w/e he said soo no need to bring it up

[kuoch]

Try mammonite build with a creator then, and spam goldbolt to force them into GTB, ever thought about that? I've played creator before. It's not so hard.

& plus if you want a boost on creator, make your own topic, don't go ranting against mine, saying Sniper is soo call great

[Secret]

If they dont Agree then make dragoon warlord card effect on range weapon again.

[Ethereal]

I think people have been suggesting that for ages now. The ranged strip suggestion has been alive for oh-so-long now, but you probably won't see it fixed anytime soon™.

And yes, I agree. The double strafe damage DOES need a boost. I've played both creator and sniper, and trust me, creators are A LOT more stronger than snipers.

[Masahiro]

I've seen some sniper own by just mastering traps and decent ds dmg so you're set BOII!

SO NO!

if ds so weak then you're gonna have to upgrade AD for creator as well. Creator offensive ability suck compared to snipers and sniper also have traps duh! also AD is really easy to nerf and DS has a varity of element you can choose from so i think DS is good the way it is

Smartest thing I've read all day.

Maybe the PvP capabilities of a certain class were set that way? I mean, you can never balance assassin cross vs. priest. Sure, because this is a PvP server, some efforts can be made to give all classes a bit of opportunity on the battlefield, but it should never stray out of its intended role.

wakekeke yeah im a trap -> pvp sniper its fun, but its inconvenient and sometimes its like you need to be some kind of Tactical God to make it effective, always be 1 step ahead of the other while some random grunt champ comes by and asuras u with his toe and u die as a sniper!!!

moral of the story, its true, sniper DS does need a boost, sniper damage can already be nurfed using anti range skills and gears (pneuma defending, NOXIOUS =O) c'mon a sniper really does need need this sort of hand-out

they cant DS and wear a shield, yeah im not saying give them 80% reduct from demi-human on the Sniper bow, but a few more damage buff on the DS is a good idea, and even the +demi human resist on the bow is fine

c'mon not ever sniper out there is Legolas

and bankai , bio AD compared to Sniper DS is like using Bankai compared to using a wooden sword....

AD -> rapes spams, and breaks armor, it stun locks and makes u QQ

DS -> waay slower to spam w/o armor break and as stated above strip cards dont work unless your in what ?? a 3 cell radius..o nice, let me use my non shield weapon and try to de-armor this champ in front of me

everytime i see a sniper in for fild i feel for him, because he becomes the target of many players just because they KNOW he doesnt have a shield and they arent worried about being dropped by DS....nat fair.

Edited May 6, 2010 by Masahiro

[zac]

to an extent i agree to alter the efect of the sniper bow. but not the skill. add demi resist or increase demi dmg, but thats about it. only cause sniper lacks defence. its not like creator who can AD an use a shield and tank everything or a clown who can av with a shield and tank everything... but sniper get raped cause of their lack of defence. so it would be a great idea to consider amping the dmg out put of sniepr with their elite wep or sumthing... or add defence to their bow like 30 % less dmg from demi..

im only agreeing with this casue its high rates... if it were low rates id say no cause sniper wud pwn with ds still lol.

[kuoch]

That is the point I'm trying to get at. But the people that are disagreeing is just saying senseless things. Half the things they are saying isn't even true on what sniper can do.

[Adamxd]

Kucz San ill explain ya. When I was fighting about boosting pally or not nerfing it, I heard only: no madox you want it cuz you play it. And the same you play sniper, you suggested about boosting sniper and they say no

[kuoch]

They don't like us Adem san. ):

& Snipers isn't even close to the top PvP classes and they don't even want a boost on sniper. u___u

[Adamxd]

Lets show them where their place is.

[Nadtorious]

That is the point I'm trying to get at. But the people that are disagreeing is just saying senseless things. Half the things they are saying isn't even true on what sniper can do.

What Kuoch said.

[zac]

revise the sniper bow gms, tweak it a little. :3

[Adum*]

Either give them reducts or boost DS damage.

Snipers are basically useless against pallies.

Against Champs and Sinxes, both can just snap and backslide next to you or out of your traps.

Clowns/Gypsies, um..ranged and AV spammable..then tarot..x.x

Creators, they be breaking your armor (if not fced), they're still a pain.

Stalkers, bow+sac=you dead

Ninjas, I dont think you can even hit them. =/ and they can just spam lsoi or any skill

GS, both long range but does more dmg, though they have low hp so its basically ok..o.o

Priest, almost the same as champs except instead of asura, HL...so yea..

HW, lool

LK, charge attack? then spam bb.

iono was just listing how snipers can die..x.x

[zac]

you forgot 'profs' xD double bolt death raped in azz..

they need some def with their BOW or sumthign .