seductrez16 Posted January 4, 2008 Report Posted January 4, 2008 To all who wants a garm card in donation npc. please leave your name here and a message that you agree. Ive done this beacause we are experiencing a higher demand for garm cards but still a low drop rate. Lets say this is like a signature campaign for an action to be done. lol hope everyone agrees with me... im am doing this not for my sake only but for the sake of the community as well. i know that it will make the elite quest much easier, there will be no more thrill if this will be done, but hey, its just this item to be put on npc and lets say that in npc it cost 25 coupons, it is still hard for others t have them. so please leave a message here if its a yes or a no! voting starts now! lol
Amalgamation Posted January 4, 2008 Report Posted January 4, 2008 Why would you do that? To make Garm even harder to get than it is?
seductrez16 Posted January 4, 2008 Author Report Posted January 4, 2008 Maybe you are seeing it on a bad way. juts analyze, if there is garm card in donation npc, it would be easier to have it than to mvp garm. there is no guarantee that you'll get a card after killing garm, right?? and the fact that many people are hunting it, there is a big competition among the community. After the garm event, i would say that it is not enough, because still the demand of others for garm card is still getting higher as days passess. Even i, im trading my str belt for 2 garm card and still no one sells it. sorry if i may sound so rude but im just explaining my side. hope you'll understand....
Arcane Posted January 4, 2008 Report Posted January 4, 2008 A competition makes the game more interesting.
seductrez16 Posted January 4, 2008 Author Report Posted January 4, 2008 A competition makes the game more interesting. yah i agree with you, but the thing is the low percentage of drop rate of garm card, makes it impossible for all who want to complete the elite quest. Giving the people who has the garm card more advantage. Some of then abuse the price which makes it harder to buy..
Rayray Posted January 4, 2008 Report Posted January 4, 2008 making garm a donate card is not a solution. the elite quest is supposed to be hard(it gives 200 extra stat points) so it is right just the way it is
Arcane Posted January 4, 2008 Report Posted January 4, 2008 making garm a donate card is not a solution. the elite quest is supposed to be hard(it gives 200 extra stat points) so it is right just the way it is Correct!! I think it's fine just the way it is lol
ahweng Posted January 4, 2008 Report Posted January 4, 2008 No No No! I do not agree to put GARM CARD as DONATION! If the Garm Card is sold in the donation way the server will be no special anymore and not interesting!! Try to think, when many peoples in the server has garm card and ELITE WEAPON! What will it be in the PVP ROOM?? I dont think is GOOD! But the good way i suggest, i wish GM can Put more GARMS in the SERVER. The Spawn rate can be 3 or 4 hour?? Lets make the server Competitive!! Because more nd more people are starts to think that ForsakenRO is just for THOSE people that are RICH! Who have CASH to DONATE.. And they left the server 1 by 1 ... I apologize for the bad english! I'm learning.
trabix Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 It would still be hard for people to get the Card cuz not everyone can get coupons.. But at the moment nobody wants to sell the cards or almost nobody has them... give us a chance atleast
nnnitsuj Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 It's better if it doesn't go into the NPC.. Period. It'll cause an economic imbalance to the server.
Red_One Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 Garm card is a noobs card believe me ...
Tsuyoi Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 Ive done this beacause we are experiencing a higher demand for garm cards but still a low drop rate. My answer: The fact that you have the nerve to talk about the low supply of MVP cards...it's called an MVP Card for a reason. Go play iRO and see how fast you can get any MVP card, let alone, a Garm card. Be thankful for the 10% droprate compared to the original 0.1%.
Zeitgeist Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 I don't want to sound crude, but I don't see anyone agreeing with the idea. I would suggest you to get help to finish your Forsaken Elite Quest.
Denzel Crocker Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 I second this motion. Garm cards are worth A LOT more than 25 coupons right now. By putting them in donation NPC it would make it easier to obtain, still not that easy, but at least easier than right now. I thought i should go ahead and say this: Elite Quests I think are complete bullshit, first of getting 3000 of one item is stupid, the only thing that will achieve is unstable economy and botters (which i can prove). Making one of the requirements be an MVP card makes those cards worth alot more, and once those cards are worth more than 25 coupons, people will start to donate for them, thus getting the server more income, its an ingenious plan :D. I suggest that the elite quests be modified; (just a suggestion) No more than 3504 total items and that must be divided into at least 7 diffrent items, ie. ( 7 diffrent non-mvp cards x 500 each = 3500) and then, some rare items are needed (such as garm or phree which we have now). Instead of MVP cards, how about MVP drops? Its been done before, think of Garm Hat quest(that thing Ktullanux drops..), or Dragon Rider (pipe/sphinx hat) Just a suggestion.....
Zeitgeist Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 I thought i should go ahead and say this: Elite Quests I think are complete bullshit, first of getting 3000 of one item is stupid, the only thing that will achieve is unstable economy and botters (which i can prove). Making one of the requirements be an MVP card makes those cards worth alot more, and once those cards are worth more than 25 coupons, people will start to donate for them, thus getting the server more income, its an ingenious plan :D. Getting 3000 of an item is not hard, given the fact that said items drop at 100%. Even if the monsters are not stacked in a small map, it is still infinitely easier to collect, you should seriously ask around how much people take to make an item like Renown Detective's Cap in iRO. Plus, apart from giving non-donators more of a chance of standing against donators, we're actually encouraging players to train in PvP matters. You want that item, but so do a hundred more, what will you do? Back off or stand for yourself? Even I got some PvP experience while doing this quest (which I did entirely by myself). Elite quest just provokes unstable economy? Why, and here I thought we were given non-donators another valuable item to sell. Besides, if the prices of the MvP cards skyrocket, it is not the Game Master's team fault, it's the players. We are not the ones participating in the economy, the community is, and if the community is willing to pay 25+ coupons for a card... well, what can we do? Prohibit it? Fat chance. Bots? I hope those bots -which you can obviously prove they exist- are bots that I can find in previous mails from [email protected], else I'd assume you're covering them. But seriously now people, bots are not even a decent problem in the server, there are a few left, if any, and those would be easily banned if players reported more often and did it appropriately. Bots hunt at the same place you do, and it's really easy to spot them. Like I said in previous posts: A great server is only as great as their Game Masters and community, and it's true. Oh, and nice one on the assumption of we trying to get more donations. After all, we're so full of money -and obviously wanting more, because we're just some damn heartless capitalists- that the server's expenses and features (such as the new Ventrilo server) are coming off of Genesis pocket.
Denzel Crocker Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 chill zeit. "if the prices of the MvP cards skyrocket, it is not the Game Master's team fault, it's the players" No that IS the Game Master Teams fault, their the ones who created the quest, and by doing so made Phreeoni Cards & Garm Cards really valuable. 1: All i am saying is that be more careful when selecting items for quest, and if your sure that the elite quests were not put there to get more money, then switch the garm & phree cards for another item which drops at 10% AND is non-donatable. A quest may seem like nothing, but it will effect the game play & economy very very easily. Think of cookie hats, they effected game play & economy substantially! (i got nothing against cookie hats). 2: Make the quests challenging rather than boring, I know that the GMs want to make Elite Gear rare, and the best they could come up with was?? 3000 hydras.. 3000 of one card is alot, and you should know it took you a long time to do it, as it took me. As for the server needing money. Im sure they do, and so far the have managed just fine with the current donation system. I still stand behind my criticisms, and remember i made these criticisms to help the server, why else would i still be here after all the shit i gone through?
Rayray Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 Garm card is a noobs card believe me ... um, Garm card is needed for a custom quest that gives you extra 200 stat points and lets you access a quest that holds a powerful equip set for non-donators. so if you think garm is a "noob" card, think again
Zeitgeist Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 Oh no, don't get me wrong here, I'm responding your criticism with some of mine, that's all. No that IS the Game Master Teams fault, their the ones who created the quest, and by doing so made Phreeoni Cards & Garm Cards really valuable. If your statement was true, then we'd be damned if we ever add any quest at all; fearing it may affect the economy. Nobody would sell their Garm cards for 25+ coupons if everyone would've turned down the offer, it is that simple. The economy takes its fluctuation from the player's actions; something we have no control of. 1: All i am saying is that be more careful when selecting items for quest, and if your sure that the elite quests were not put there to get more money, then switch the garm & phree cards for another item which drops at 10% AND is non-donatable. A quest may seem like nothing, but it will effect the game play & economy very very easily. Think of cookie hats, they effected game play & economy substantially! (i got nothing against cookie hats). Few if any Garm or Phreeoni cards have been released from donation card requests. Even if that's the case, wouldn't that mean that Garm cards would drop to 25 coupons or barely more since they actually cost 25 coupons a piece. I restate, the current price of the Garm and Phreeoni cards is completely the player's doing, by demanding it at such rate. 2: Make the quests challenging rather than boring, I know that the GMs want to make Elite Gear rare, and the best they could come up with was?? 3000 hydras.. 3000 of one card is alot, and you should know it took you a long time to do it, as it took me. Can you point at anything that's harder to do than MvPing and hunting? -Not only in the server, but the RO gameplay in general- because I can't. As for the server needing money. Im sure they do, and so far the have managed just fine with the current donation system. I still stand behind my criticisms, and remember i made these criticisms to help the server, why else would i still be here after all the shit i gone through? I have not pointed out as to what your Modus Operandi was for that posts. I just wanted to remark -with some little sarcasm of mine- that your words are easily misinterpreted and that other players could come to the same conclusion that I have from your last argument. May I ask you to choose your words more carefully?
Denzel Crocker Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 its 2 am, i dont care for my grammar at this time. I will say it AGAIN, the GMs DO have control of the economy, like you said the economy fluctuates... based on the quests the GMs put in, i am simply saying "Be more careful when doing so, you could cause the tables to turn" I am completely fine with "hard quests", its just that the GMs view of a hard quest is "gathering over 9000 items" I dont find that hard, i find that REALLY boring and a waste of time. Because gathering over 9000 items takes only one skill, patience... and i'd like to remind you that this server is a high rate, not many people have patience. Hard for me is something that requires skill to do, such as beating crazy strong MVPs like Ktullanux or Beelzebub. I am simply saying make the quest more challenging, a perfect example i think is Dragon Rider & Garm Hat, they require the player to farm (under 9000 items...) and kill MVPs! I still find parties of newbies fighting Edgga/ Osiris & Amon Ra, they all team up and have a good time MVPing. What i am getting at is that, this is NOT iRO, people come to private high rate servers for a few things "Fast Pased Action". and no i am not saying to make quests easy for everyone to do, so that we can get items quciker, i am saying give people what they came for, give us quests where we do more fun things, (think of sumoning Ktulanux or Thanatos, those are such fun MVPs)
Genesis Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 Personally I think making Garm a donation item ( in the donation npc) would be a very bad idea, demand is good in an economy as long as demand > Supply we are golden.
Enzo Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 Well Zeit and Fuzzy have good points. I agree with fuzzy that the elite quest is a pain in the ass, I just dont have the time and patience to gather all those items I have finished half of it. However GM's and players like Patchworks and other wealthy [in game] players control the economy. That can be explained easly think of the example of G.Bush and the land lords in America, they control the economy and parts of the world. Also I agree with Zeit, there isn't anything harder then Hunting and mvping, but 3000 items is a lot tho people play high rates so they dont have to waste time hunting and training, and get to the point and pk.
Arcane Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 Lets just work hard and it'll pay off. Thats it. If your just gonna complain then don't do the quest, if you want to, then do it. Simple as that.
Denzel Crocker Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 Good stuff enzo. Genesis this thread is not about putting Garm as donation anymore.. its about the elite quests in general. I got yet another point: This is how i did my elite quest; i baught all the crap.. i had 200 extra coupons and in the end i used over 130 of them. am i lazy? no im rich. and like every other rich person in fsRO we simply baught all/most of our items, while we let newbies do all the hard work. However it did not work, my main supplier was Ninjaaz, even he gave up.. i payed him alot too, but it was not worth it to him.. because he got tired of farming as I did, and as all my other suppliers did. So i baught the rest from someone who CLEARLY botted all of the items, i did not bother writing down the name, because i doubt a GM would have done anything. However if a GM wants to crack down on botters, then go in Merchant Mall, its not hard to spot a botter in there. Heres how to do it: go ahead and try the elite quest, in one hour you will realize that you are (i garentee) not even 5% done, and when you see people in merchant mall selling thousands of diffrent cards at 150K, you will realize that NO WAY IN HELL did that person do it all on his/her own.
Zeitgeist Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 I've got the resources, yet I did my quest on my own. It really comes down to the person. As for bots, we could do what you say, but we'd be making huge assumptions. Since the elite quest was implemented, obvious bot maps have been continually searched. Many botters have already been caught and banned.
Arcane Posted January 5, 2008 Report Posted January 5, 2008 lol. Thats what makes it soo special. The elite quests are super hard! Attaining it would make you feel good about yourself.
