Obama Bin Lodin

[Devotion]

Well what Jay is trying to say is very valid. Scale it down a bit to something like a hockey coach or even a Game Master. New Game Masters used to be heavily picked on because it takes time for them to show their qualities. It is very true that most don't make it, and it's fair to keep in mind that Obama might fail; but insufficient time has passed for everyone to be making assumptions. America was promised a health-care reform YEARS before Obama even thought of presidency; and so far he's the only one who seems to be trying to make it happen.

Problem is China's taking your debt and they're sick of it. America's experiencing the same thing that happened to Great Britain during WWII: Britain was heavily in debt and they asked the U.S. for help, and the U.S. only helped them on the condition that they retreated from many of their territories, which effectively put the United States as the World Super Power. And now ironically it's very close to losing footing with the Chinese, which basically owns your country economically.

Believe it or not, humans lose and gain confidence depending on the critiques of those they lead. This is especially true of the President of the United States, where it's democratic and free; The president knows and feels when the people are against him; you think having huge opposition helps? All this preemptive negativity isn't helping his game and in turn it's not helping you or your people. It's one thing if he's been in office for two terms and has done fuck all, but it's another if he's barely a year in. He hasn't been given a proper chance to make the differences he promised. These promises are on a global scale, they will affect the entire world, and they CANNOT happen just like that. If you were president, do you think you'd sleep well at night?

[Dart]

Oh? I voted their for i get to complain about all the ignorant people that decided to vote this time just bc hes a black president.... Just bc i dont like the president doesnt mean im going to leave. im going to wait another couple years till hes gone. Its AMERICA i have the right to voice my oppinion, thats why we have the constitution. And from what your sayin all those that hated bush should GTFO too right? just curious :D

I never said you had to leave, just that you could. Please don't assume ^_^.

Also, since we're talking about big plans. Hitler planned on conquering the world well past his own death. He had intended for his war to take years and years. That Germany would conquer the world after he was dead, and made preparations for that. It wasn't until he saw that he was winning many battles and many countries much faster than he anticipated, that he thought he may be alive to see Germany win it all. He became cocky and ended up failing. The main point, is that if Hitler had remained with his original plan, there is a VERY high chance we'd all be known as Germans. Due to his arrogant attitude about it being possible for him to win while alive, he took on two fronts by betraying Russia. If he had waited to make that move, and conquered Britain first, like he was on the brink of doing, he'd have beaten Russia right after.

TL;DR Do not rush great change. With great change comes great risk. But you need patience or else the change will undoubtedly fail, and you are left more fucked than you began.

P.S: I voted too.

Edited November 1, 2009 by Dart

[Rayray]

Well people have been saying that pulling out the armed forces from Iraq is such a wrong choice when the US is winning.

Let me open your eyes if you think that way. You cannot say we are "winning" if we continue to bring home caskets with flags over them. The US might have the advantage, but it is so, SOOOO, far from winning.

And not because he is not doing what you want him to do means he is a bad leader. And to be honest, what you consider "fucked up economy" is nothing compared to the economy of other countries. Be thankful enough he is doing his job.

[Perishable]

sigh.

Just because you don't like the guy doesn't mean you have to degrade him so bad that you don't even consider what you are saying. First of all, no experience? If you mean no experience as a president then what the hell do you expect if it's his first time in office, no first-term president has president experience. If you are pertaining to political experience, then the last time I checked he was a state senator for Illinois before running for president, he's not just some random black guy who all of a sudden wants to be president. Second, you could at least elaborate on your claim of "NO common sence" so that I could refute it. But since you did not, I'll just consider that a "insult." Lastly, no abillities to help? The guy has more than half of Congress backing him up on whatever he decisions he makes, which more importantly is the decison on the health care plan that he's pushing so people like you can afford to pay for whatever medical help you may need in the future. The only people this plan would not "help" is doctors because it takes away from the money they make, so unless you're a doctor, don't say shit like he isn't helping you. Bush made a mess, and now Obama has to clean it up throughout his term, which hasn't even lasted for a year yet, and people like you are saying oh he's a bad president and oh he sucks and oh I don't like him. I do however agree with you that he really has'nt done much to receive a Nobel Peace, but that isn't why he's gonna be known in history as a hero. He's going down in history as the first african american president of the United States, not a hero.

Tl;dr: Hop off. His term isn't even halfway over yet. Stop complaining.

Sighs, I know right?

[Wish]

Ok, but what happens when we pull out of the war in Iraq, leaving many of their military leaders alive? Couldn't they see it as "Oh, they're scared of us. They're too weak to find us. We can dominate them." and then bring the fight back to US soil? I know that the war sucks for the Middle East, but do we want the fighting on our soil any more than they want it on theirs? If Bush had ignored the attack on the Twin Towers, that would have sent a message of weakness, that the US was too scared to move out and deal with terrorism. What Obama is being ignorant about in the war is that he keeps saying "I'm studying the situation", not listening to the advice of the generals. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Obama has no experience on a battlefield. So why isn't he listening to the men that do? I know he's nervous about making a decision, but his hesitation is losing more lives than acting would.

As for the economy portion, he's new to it, yes. But he's not learning from his mistakes. Sending all that money to the companies that were going under didn't work in the first place, so he's doing it again. I believe that this is part of the no common sense tyrantlu was talking about. And yes, it appeared that the New Deal worked. However, who's to say that the economy wouldn't have righted itself faster if the government kept out? We can't know either way, because we can't see a different history. Yet throwing money into businesses obviously isn't working in this case, so why keep wasting the money? Obama is all for waiting to make a decision about the war, yet he doesn't mind throwing away the money of US citizens.

Healthcare. Perhaps it works for some Canadians, but many wait months to be admitted. Also, from what I hear and see, the Canadian healthcare system is bankrupt, or going bankrupt. I agree that our healthcare system could be better, but I don't believe that the solution is to take on another country's healthcare. What bugs me is that so many citizens of the USA are against this, well over 60%, yet Obama keeps trying to push it through. As a president, it is your duty to listen to your citizens. That is the point of the USA.

Yes, Americans may be caught up in "rights" and "freedom", but that is because those are our founding principles. Those are why we broke away from Europe. If we don't keep that, we aren't the US anymore, we're a variation of it.

Also, Bush was doing a fairly good job up until people started threatening him. Many people in the democratic party started trying to control him. This was also him panicking as he saw what American's were feeling, or some of them. Like Devotion said, one's followers (I say followers because I can't think of a different word right now) truly affect one's leadership.

I am too young to vote, yes. But I watch this just as much as anyone else, possibly more than some who did vote. I will tell you, during the election year, our school newspaper team asked many of the adults and seniors who they would vote for and why. It is true that most of the African Americans said "Obama because he's black". Now, I'm not saying that all of them said this. But that reason came up over and over again. What we need, I think, is a president in for the right reason. Not because he speaks well, or because of his/her race or gender. This is hard because of human nature, and you can never really tell how a president will be based on his campaign. Also like Devotion said, it's a lot like a gamemaster. You can tell some things from their applications, but you never know when people will lie.

Last note: I was not thrilled with any of the people who were running this past time, either. A lot of the time, it's picking the best of two bad choices. I can't say that McCain would have been any better than Obama is, but I look at this and think that he couldn't have been any worse. Now, I would apologize if Obama shapes up before his term is out. But the thing is, he doesn't seem to listen to anyone aside from himself. Things only seem to get worse. I suppose that time will tell, but those are my two cents.

Edit: Sorry for the really long post. x-x;

Edited November 1, 2009 by Wish

[Terroryst]

We talking about the war now? If you guys remember the Vietnam War, after the US troops pulled out, the South got dominated and North won the war. What's an Iraqi militia and a couple of US trained Iraqi troops going to do against all of the al Qaeda and their followers? True that the US deaths are getting higher and higher, but we can't pull out.

[Devotion]

He's the head honcho. There is no one above him, no "higher up" so to speak. Just because he gets advice doesn't mean he'll follow exactly what they say. One person may think his advice is paramount, but Obama's got dozens of other voices to listen to, which are saying complete opposite things from each other. I don't get why people expect others to follow advice; giving advice only means you're trying to make a decision clearer, not decide for them. He may already have a plan, an internal feeling of what's right, in which case all these advice givers fall on deaf ears. Right now the battle isn't about the generals and the military, It's about people and figuring out the human psyche.

This whole concept of, if you don't fight you're weak, is completely dumb. That's what the terrorists wanted in the first place; only in this case there was a chance they would still retaliate regardless. But I suppose what Obama's trying to distinguish if they're done threatening the U.S. and if it's safe to pull out. I don't think any American will admit it, but you guys are much happier with the war over there than on your owl soil. Paradoxically, it's selfish and barbaric to bring the fight to their home, when the majority of people there have no idea why you're bombing their land.

Obama wanted to pull out because your troops are dying, and because it is a MASSIVE drain on the U.S. resources. And here some of us are pointing the finger saying he's creating more deficit, but yet you think it's a bad idea to pull out of Iraq. That's one big contradiction.

By the way McCain just looks like a scumbag. At least Obama gives a genuine smile, sounds honest, and can let lose a little bit (like when he dances). His black character really shows in some spots and I like it. White people tend to be a bunch of stiffs in North America (yeah I'm white).

As for Canada's health-care, neither my mom nor I have heard of this bankruptcy thing. Most Canadians pay for their health-care, it's just in the form of taxes. There are hiccups and mistakes and bureaucracy here too (to put it nicely), but there are thousands of Americans who can't afford to go to the hospital if they break something. A big problem here in Canada is people taking advantage of the system. People come in for the sniffles, and that drains the money and the resources.

[tyrantlu]

Hmm with the war. I want them to pull out its been long enough 5 years ago but i also know we cant pull out. which means more and more troops are going to die, it sucks for the familys/friends of them and its sad.

hey and sorry if im upseting anyone or pissin you off :P no hard feelings i just like to stir things up a little bit :thumbsup_anim:

[.Sushi.]

Simply put no man in this world has ever been yet good at governing a country nor making this world a better place to live in. I don't see any improvement on that particular political side of this world not even 10-20 years from now as we might forsee it.

[Dart]

Hmm with the war. I want them to pull out its been long enough 5 years ago but i also know we cant pull out. which means more and more troops are going to die, it sucks for the familys/friends of them and its sad.

hey and sorry if im upseting anyone or pissin you off :P no hard feelings i just like to stir things up a little bit :thumbsup_anim:

Not tickin me off. I enjoy reading these debates. Thanks for bringing it to the forum. ^_^

[Nyanko]

Well answer me this, Why are we still at war?

P.s Hussein is dead, and they are not going to find Osama. Its time to pull out we are not changing Iraq.

P.s.s Reason economy was better with Bush was because we went into debt as he left office. Coincidence much?

P.s.s.s No one would be fired if the war bush kept prolonging didn't cost us so much.

People are dying daily in a War we are Losing.

Hussein wasn't the main target, they just found him and killed him, war starter anyone? They're just going to come over here and fight with us if we pull them out now.

Anyone that thinks the president sucks that much can always leave. It's not like anyone forces people to stay in the US ^_^

Fuck man, if only it was that easy! LOL.

[Wish]

I know advice is to help make the decision clearer, but he doesn't seem to be listening to anyone. Maybe he has a feeling of what's right, and maybe he doesn't. What it looks like right now is that he's listening only to what he wants, which isn't necessarily the best. That's my issue here. Again, he has no experience on a battlefield, so I think that he should be listening to his generals, not telling them to wait while he thinks. That's not going to help anything, only let the casualties increase. He does what all politicians do: takes the words of people from his side and twists the words of people against him. It's a game that politicians are very good at, and something that makes them universally disliked.

The concept of you're weak unless you fight is dumb, but nonetheless true. It goes back to the fight or flight instinct and the saying that only the strong survive. It is ingrained in human nature. Maybe that's what he's trying to distinguish, but the answer is obvious to me. If they were done, they'd stop bombing our soldiers. Yes, they want us out. Why not come forward and ask for a treaty if they're done? To be honest, I don't think they care in this case. Their goal, I believe, was to sew chaos in America and, through it, other parts of the world. Also, I was actually hitting on the idea that we're happier with the war over there. Yes, it's selfish. But who wants the war on their own soil? We got bombed, so we took the fight to them. Also, all of the people over there know exactly why the war started. The Al Qaeda were more or less a dictatorship. People see and hear what's going on, no matter how hushed it is, especially in a rule like that. As it turns out, many of the people in Iraq are greatful that the Al Qaeda are under fire now. Plus, no war is fought without civilian casualties. It simply isn't possible. No matter how hard soldiers try to avoid it, it happens. And a lot of the civilian killings there aren't even on the part of American soldiers. Many of them come from suicide bombers who don't care if they're taking out innocent lives or soldiers.

Yes, it is a drain on our resources. But what isn't? Until something big happens, we have no guarantee that they won't bring the war over here. That would be an even worse drain on US resources because then we'd have to repair buildings and other such structures. Not only that, but Canada and Mexico border us. What's to stop them from moving there in a fight? We could do our best, but there are no guarantees in war.

Well, of course McCain looks less than attractive. He was tortured for a long time. That kind of thing leaves scars that aren't going to leave very easily. Personally, I don't feel that Obama's smiles are genuine. And, people say Bush lied, but what about Obama? He made thousands of promises that were nearly impossible to begin with and now doesn't seem to have any intention to fulfill them. But I'll stay quiet on that for now. You never know what he'll do in the future...

I've heard a lot about the bankruptcy problem. I know that you pay through taxes, but that's something that noone anywhere really needs more of. Again, our health care could improve. I still don't think that this type of health care is the solution. No health care, in my opinion, is very good. I'm not saying that I have a solution. I don't think one has been thought of yet. But I think that this would hurt more than help anything.

@.Sushi.: I agree. You more or less have to be corrupt to go far in politics. You have to pay the right people or you'll be torn to pieces. Look at Sarah Palin. Almost a year after the elections, and they're still picking at her for the smallest things. And she was only a Vice President candidate...

@Dart: Lmao, I totally agree with this, too. It's a fun debate. ;3

[froster]

You shouldn't blame Obama for where the stimulus is going, Ben Bernanke the chairman of the federal reserve has much to do with it and is also probably the most powerful person in america.

[Wish]

Maybe, but the stimulus was largely Obama's idea. He's the one who really pushed for it and promoted it...

[Devotion]

Truth is, just like the GM team, you don't know the whole scoop unless you're in it, and even then you'll miss a few things if you're not paying attention. We're all outsiders to the political circle, in which only a few men and women are enrolled into the ranks of the presidency.

Truth is, presidents probably have the shocks of their lives when they get drafted on things no civilian knows, things that are too classified for the highest military officials. Chances are Obama knows more than we do on the state of our defense etc.

Truth is the world is run by dishonesty, because honesty isn't what makes a good quality politician it seems.

Truth is you're all pointing the finger too early at a man that does not have a life outside his presidency, and who knows about things your head would spin over, I can guarantee it. That is called, being unfair.

Oh but after all, you're Americans.

You're free

You have your right of speech.

You're also not helping yourselves by thinking negatively.

...just a thought...

[Wish]

Maybe, maybe not. He gets the information from someone. He may have the only view of the biggest picture, but he has to trust someone to help him. Humans weren't meant to stand alone, and that is proved over and over again.

That was a lot my point. And it's disgusting. Honest politician is considered and oxymoron. If the world could start viewing things differently (which isn't likely to happen now, or anywhere in the near future), I think that many aspects of life would be a lot better. This is definitely idealogical, and I realize that. Still, nothing else has worked out well so far. So why not?

Not everyone is pointing a finger. A lot of people are still in favor of Obama and think that he can never do anything wrong. However, he does have a life outside his presidency. Maybe not much of one, I don't know. But he has one. And, after all, he's the one that decided to go for the job. And yes, few people are suited to a job of so much power. I personally don't feel that Obama is one of them. Again, as I have said a few times now, maybe my opinion will change. However, he is nearly a fourth into his term, and things only seem to be getting worse and worse. Right now, I have no reason to believe otherwise. Might change in the future. As for the present? Not so much. Maybe it is unfair, but first impressions mean a lot everywhere. Obama's wasn't great. Humans judge on what they see. We can't help it. People can pretend not to judge, but everyone in a position of power meets heavy opposition. That's what happens when you present yourself to the world. He has some people supporting him. Again, with Sarah Palin, attacking her for everything, even her family hardly seemed fair. But they did it. It happens. Constructive criticism is what makes us stronger. If you can't take it, you shouldn't be in the game.

That's a like a lot of people in the world. Most people today have those same rights. Americans are just more ostentatious about it. We can be some of the most stuck-up people in the world. But we're not the only ones.

As for thinking negatively, I admit that I tend to be a pessimist. I prefer to think negatively and not be dissapointed than to have my hope crushed over and over again. It depends, really.

Those are my thoughts. ;3

[Devotion]

I really wouldn't call the way some people talk about Obama constructive in the least. More like destructive. It's amazing how this discussion reminds me of GMing. Players just say "fix it." Economic problems? Fix it, or you suck. But you have to fix it now.

As for classified info, it's all in files and he reads them. I really believe we only know half of what's happening on this continent in terms of technology, warfare, and bizarre happenings. Don't tell me we don't have some knowledge of extra terrestrials that they don't want to release to the public, or knowledge on perhaps 2012. Call me a dork but it's a a fact that they keep stuff from civilians, we just have to imagine what it might be.

[Belfegor]

I know nothing about the Presidents in the US..or Obama.. Actually I read Osama..

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What I do know is this..

" O Canada "

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Ahh, P.S. Nate <3

Edited November 4, 2009 by Belfegor

[Dart]

Things, more often than not, have to get worse before they can become better. We're on the downslide, there'll be a rise again. Soon enough.

[tyrantlu]

I really wouldn't call the way some people talk about Obama constructive in the least. More like destructive. It's amazing how this discussion reminds me of GMing. Players just say "fix it." Economic problems? Fix it, or you suck. But you have to fix it now.

Your right it is like GMing lol but eather constructive or destructive it doesnt matter, no matter what we say here its not going to change anything. I made this post just to get peoples' views on him. personally i think he shoulda never been elected to begin with, but thats only me. Its nice to read what everyone has to say. Just for the fun of it ill be constructive, fixing the economy is simple.... give the money you wasted to the people and boom overnight its fixed. But its not that simple i guess :P, hey never though id see this one (a Republican -Bush- giveing to the poor and needy and a Demicrat -Obama- giveing to the rich and powerful) hahah.

[Devotion]

Fixing world economy isn't easy or simple. I say world because what happens to the U.S economy reflects the world economy, given that they're the current super power.

What anyone has to say on a matter will affect other people if they voice it. America is experiencing low morale, and I'm not surprised that a lot of it is due to their own negativity and moping. This discussion already changed me; and if I can get just one American I'm so depressed about the economy to think a little more positively then it'll pay forward.

There is one thing my boyfriend's dad told us when I was spending time there, and it's that the U.S government can afford to give every American citizen 100k. He proposed that they would have to pay off all their debts first, and they could only use a certain amount every month. But the principal is that debts would be paid, and then America would go out and buy things, which would boost the economy. I think that's a good idea in theory.

[tyrantlu]

There is one thing my boyfriend's dad told us when I was spending time there, and it's that the U.S government can afford to give every American citizen 100k. He proposed that they would have to pay off all their debts first, and they could only use a certain amount every month. But the principal is that debts would be paid, and then America would go out and buy things, which would boost the economy. I think that's a good idea in theory.

well hes right but after taxes which is about 40% with all the money the government wasted on companys, each taxpayer would have gotten abour 250k and everyone that got that would have fixed the economy overnight. Atleast bush had the right idea he just didnt give everyone enough to make a difference. the 400 dollars he gave everyone was nice helped a lot but everyone with thousands in debt from creditcards and hundreds of thousands in debt from falling home markets it didnt help much. The money the gave the banks should of went to helping those people in debt but no one gets anything for free right? Ofcourse not the banks/other comapnys keep the money give themselve millions in bonus checks and are still failing lol. Nothing has changed with the economy from all that money they gave out, other than a few companys can stay in buisness a few months longer. The economy will fix its self it always has and always will. But now because of the bad economy all the jobs being lost means, Homes, Cars, all types of loans are now being defaulted on becuase no one has any money. I know you cant let the Major companys go under it will devistate our market and i know if we go so does the worlds economy.

Hey let me know if im wrong but it did seem like an easy fix when it first started

[Wish]

Yes, some things said about Obama are purely destructive. Again, that happens to everyone in the limelight. Like you said, we get a lot of non-useful anger attacks. It just happens. However, there are always things that are constructive.

I never said that they didn't hide information from citizens. All I said was that the information comes from somewhere.

Ahh, but most people in this kind of situation get negative and mope. It doesn't matter where you're from. It's just what happens. It's not like there aren't some optimists. There always are. Personally, I live in the present. I try not to look at something so uncertain as the future. That only makes me speculate about things. It doesn't usually help. Unless I'm planning something, of course. However you try to predict the future, it is never set in stone. That's my view on that.

They tried that on a slightly smaller scale and it didn't work very well. Maybe it will work, but personally, I don't think so. We need to learn from what does and doesn't work and try things based on that. So it didn't work with a little money: Let's give more and increase the government's debt. Doesn't look very good to me. Throughout history, government's involvement tends to make things worse. Maybe not all the time, but usually. I am of the opinion that we should just try to ride this out with no "help". Again, my opinion.

[TwinShadow]

Let me start off that I'm not trying to attack anyone or anything. A lot of the info I get right now are from a couple of my friends, Fox News, and any sources they use for confirming various pieces of information. I also have my own views and opinions as well, and if I have to break out some of the links and emails I've received, I will. (I only have links to some things, not all of it)

Now then, I've never heard of Obama (my friend nicknames him Nobama on occasions) until the elections started for president. I knew from that point that we would have trouble because people have been wanting someone new since Bush has served his maximum of two terms as a president. There was no way he could be re-elected as it would violate our constitution for presidential power.

Did I like either McCain or Obama? No, neither. I didn't agree with either of them and I still don't. Both do bring up good points, but as one thing I say, we have a bad choice for a president, and a worse choice. McCain, in my opinion, was the "better" choice of the two because he has served in the military for several years, he knows what our military is like, he would know how to run our military. Obama? None. Nada. Zip. ZERO experience in the military. He doesn't know how to run our military even if it hit him in the ass. Right there is a major + in my book for a president. I would rather have someone who has served in the military than someone who hasn't.

Also, Obama doesn't even BACK UP our troops. Is he going to send aid to those in Afghanistan? Most likely not. He doesn't support our military as well as I do. My father served in the Navy for 22 years, my biological father did for several years as well. I have a major heart for the military and will continue to support them as much as I can. Obama doesn't give a shit about what happens to our military. He probably would turn a blind eye if it dissolved entirely. If you want a bit of proof for that, here:

Suffice it to say, the military ain't happy with Pot-head. When eleven

caskits were being taken off an aircraft, there was a 'photo-op' with Obama

with his shit grin (IE: He didn't give a rats ass that those soldiers were

dead)

I got this email a few days ago from a friend of mine. This is why I say that Obama doesn't give a shit about our military or even if our very own soldiers are dead. I haven't gotten any updates on this, but I'm sure it's on Fox News site somewhere.

The current Government in general, including Obama, Nancy Peloci (or however her name is spelled), among other demorats in office are all doing a very good job and planning the destruction of the US Constitution. You know that health care reform that's supposedly going to help? Think again, it's targeting 3-5 US Constitutions that will violate our right to privacy, violate the spread of power of the Judicial Government, among other things. Namely, 4th, 5th, 9th, and 10th amendments. (3rd was mentioned, but I don't know why.. that's why I'm not really saying anything about it here) Oh yeah, you know all that hard-earned money that goes to paying your taxes? How'd you like that same money go to pay for illegal immigrant health bills? I certainly wouldn't want that to happen. I'm not against immigration, but get here legally and all that. If not, get the hell out of the country. We don't need any more of an immigration problem than what it is currently.

You know what's really aggravating me? Obama and his goonies are violating the 1st amendment for Freedom of the Press. He is not allowing Fox News, nor any other Government officials, around himself and anything. At all.. they aren't even allowed in press conferences either. Fox News has been specifically targeted by them most likely because 'they are sending messages that would harm the president's reputation' or something like that. Well, think again, it's doing the opposite of what they intended I believe. Rather than gaining, I think they're losing that reputation for restricting Fox from what they do. It's just stupid and mindless... I don't know what the hell they're thinking anymore.

With all that said and done, I don't care how long he was in office. He needs to be impeached, and it needs to be done now. The people have a right to speak up about his stupid and pathetic actions. But no one is doing anything... You know why? He has most of Congress backing him up, the Dems are just going to overturn any possible attempt and impeachment, the anti-racist organizations like the NAACP are going to ride/sue your ass just because you want to impeach a black president. And to quote myself a few years ago, "I think the NAACP have too much power and need to step it down." I said that a while back in school, and not surprisingly, some people agreed with me.

Whew.. long post, but meh... far as I'm concerned, Obama needs to go and be replaced with someone who will at least do some job rather than doing a half-ass job.

[tyrantlu]

Let me start off that I'm not trying to attack anyone or anything. A lot of the info I get right now are from a couple of my friends, Fox News, and any sources they use for confirming various pieces of information. I also have my own views and opinions as well, and if I have to break out some of the links and emails I've received, I will. (I only have links to some things, not all of it)

Now then, I've never heard of Obama (my friend nicknames him Nobama on occasions) until the elections started for president. I knew from that point that we would have trouble because people have been wanting someone new since Bush has served his maximum of two terms as a president. There was no way he could be re-elected as it would violate our constitution for presidential power.

Did I like either McCain or Obama? No, neither. I didn't agree with either of them and I still don't. Both do bring up good points, but as one thing I say, we have a bad choice for a president, and a worse choice. McCain, in my opinion, was the "better" choice of the two because he has served in the military for several years, he knows what our military is like, he would know how to run our military. Obama? None. Nada. Zip. ZERO experience in the military. He doesn't know how to run our military even if it hit him in the ass. Right there is a major + in my book for a president. I would rather have someone who has served in the military than someone who hasn't.

Also, Obama doesn't even BACK UP our troops. Is he going to send aid to those in Afghanistan? Most likely not. He doesn't support our military as well as I do. My father served in the Navy for 22 years, my biological father did for several years as well. I have a major heart for the military and will continue to support them as much as I can. Obama doesn't give a shit about what happens to our military. He probably would turn a blind eye if it dissolved entirely. If you want a bit of proof for that, here:

I got this email a few days ago from a friend of mine. This is why I say that Obama doesn't give a shit about our military or even if our very own soldiers are dead. I haven't gotten any updates on this, but I'm sure it's on Fox News site somewhere.

The current Government in general, including Obama, Nancy Peloci (or however her name is spelled), among other demorats in office are all doing a very good job and planning the destruction of the US Constitution. You know that health care reform that's supposedly going to help? Think again, it's targeting 3-5 US Constitutions that will violate our right to privacy, violate the spread of power of the Judicial Government, among other things. Namely, 4th, 5th, 9th, and 10th amendments. (3rd was mentioned, but I don't know why.. that's why I'm not really saying anything about it here) Oh yeah, you know all that hard-earned money that goes to paying your taxes? How'd you like that same money go to pay for illegal immigrant health bills? I certainly wouldn't want that to happen. I'm not against immigration, but get here legally and all that. If not, get the hell out of the country. We don't need any more of an immigration problem than what it is currently.

You know what's really aggravating me? Obama and his goonies are violating the 1st amendment for Freedom of the Press. He is not allowing Fox News, nor any other Government officials, around himself and anything. At all.. they aren't even allowed in press conferences either. Fox News has been specifically targeted by them most likely because 'they are sending messages that would harm the president's reputation' or something like that. Well, think again, it's doing the opposite of what they intended I believe. Rather than gaining, I think they're losing that reputation for restricting Fox from what they do. It's just stupid and mindless... I don't know what the hell they're thinking anymore.

With all that said and done, I don't care how long he was in office. He needs to be impeached, and it needs to be done now. The people have a right to speak up about his stupid and pathetic actions. But no one is doing anything... You know why? He has most of Congress backing him up, the Dems are just going to overturn any possible attempt and impeachment, the anti-racist organizations like the NAACP are going to ride/sue your ass just because you want to impeach a black president. And to quote myself a few years ago, "I think the NAACP have too much power and need to step it down." I said that a while back in school, and not surprisingly, some people agreed with me.

Whew.. long post, but meh... far as I'm concerned, Obama needs to go and be replaced with someone who will at least do some job rather than doing a half-ass job.

I agree with everything youve sayed ^^

exept that i belive the government should be able to bend the rules a little if its for the good of the country (I.E. the patriot act) i know its not the best for everyone individually but its better for the whole. We need republicans in office (lets face it rich people are better with money) lol.

oh and one more thing GTFO of afgan/Iraque or where ever the hell we are lol and worry about North Korea.

Edited November 5, 2009 by tyrantlu