Non-usable Item Pvp Room [questions+requests]

[Ipwnyourmom]

@GM's: Why did you guys close the thread so fast? You didn't even let others read it yet and vote their opinion.

@Dart: Can you please give me a full explanation why we can not have a new kind of PvP room?

@Venus: Yes, Yggdrasil Berries are easy to get, but to get enough to PvP at the same level of the other players are hard; especially when they are focusing their time to get better items. Also, the reason why champions and sinx's dominate in PvP is not due to the fact of yggs at all. It is due to the fact of GTB which makes sage, wizards, 3/4 ninja's useless. If you think champions and sinx's dominating the PvP room is a problem, the PvP rooms are already being dominated by them. This PvP room will not allow champs to own the PvP room because Asura will hardly be used. Also, champions who only use asura will most likely not join that type of PvP room, it will take more skill to master the class and more fun. We will start to see more types of champions develop such as TSS and combo. If a champion were to keep logging off and on, it would be slow paced for them while others are killing at a much faster rate. They would be logging on and off more than actually playing the game. And for the more experienced champions, I don't think they would do that anyways. And for the less experienced, their asura's probably won't do much. :laugh: And if you think we are excluding full asura champions, then look at the server of how we exclude the magic users, and how the original PvP room excludes everyone BUT champions. Besides, we aren't really excluding them because they already dominate both PvP rooms. I'm not trying to get at the server but I'm just saying it'll be more fun for people who are new and will allow more variety of classes to try at the PvP room. (damn that's a lot of typing)

1 more thing @Venus. I thank you that you gave your own opinion before judging anything.

@GM's: Please let this suggestion be open to the public and allow others to vote their opinion's and thoughts. Once again, I think this is a good idea and will allow the server to grow, especially being more "noob" friendly. :jerry:

[Terroryst]

Didn't we say we had this before? All that counts in this PvP is who hits the hardest first.

[Ipwnyourmom]

That's how PvP should be. People will be more careful and find different strategies to get around.

[Antagonist]

I would agree with you if we had a higher HP cap in this server,

but we don't.

The reality is, this server runs on a HR damage, with LR hp and SP caps. That is why we Do need berries to Pvp well. All the more if Berries were not allowed in a Non item usable Pvp, Sinx's Will own all the more, seeing that a normal sinx CAN do an average of 9~10k damage (im saying at the very least) or even 32k from vets. How are you suppose to imply strategy to that?

And following on about Champions. Sure they'll be wary of Asura-ing. But they Do have TSS that can, and will hit up to 7~8k per spirit. Adding up to a total of 40k per TSS. Without Berries, 3~4 tss will be enough to kill.

I would say a Non item pvp room would be nice, in terms of seeing skills, but just not in this server.

[Nucleus]

Why not just create a PvP room without elites, donation items or usable items.

Just go. Find gear, pvp, have fun.

That way it's ALL equal, and nobody can complain.

[Ipwnyourmom]

I would agree with you if we had a higher HP cap in this server,

but we don't.

The reality is, this server runs on a HR damage, with LR hp and SP caps. That is why we Do need berries to Pvp well. All the more if Berries were not allowed in a Non item usable Pvp, Sinx's Will own all the more, seeing that a normal sinx CAN do an average of 9~10k damage (im saying at the very least) or even 32k from vets. How are you suppose to imply strategy to that?

And following on about Champions. Sure they'll be wary of Asura-ing. But they Do have TSS that can, and will hit up to 7~8k per spirit. Adding up to a total of 40k per TSS. Without Berries, 3~4 tss will be enough to kill.

I would say a Non item pvp room would be nice, in terms of seeing skills, but just not in this server.

You bring up a good point about low HP and high damage. But SinX's that do too much damage are because they most likely use FBH. In this type of PvP room, to get a killing streak and survive, I doubt you will be using many skills with FBH. You will run out of SP too fast you won't even be able to cloak. SO, people that do that much damage will be at the same advantage as the people who don't.

And about Champions TSS, almost every job that can hit can do up to 7-8k per hit, or if not the rate it is being spammed will equal to about the same.

Edited September 15, 2009 by Ipwnyourmom

[Dart]

This suggestion was made before, several times in the past. Each time it was left open for the players to discuss. Overall, they did NOT want it. That is why your suggestion was closed. And why it will more than likely, not be accepted.

Also, berries aren't the only form of sp. If a sinx only needs sp to keep winning, they can use other means and still out damage anyone's healing.

Edited September 16, 2009 by Dart

[Millenia]

gms, its polite when someone makes a suggestion you dont automatically reject it / close the thread made on past decisions.

as for the suggestion, it generally just won't work.

@ aki- ppl always complain

[kuoch]

I SAYYY THIS IS A GREATT IDEA!

[Lae`]

I don't think it is.

[Ipwnyourmom]

This suggestion was made before, several times in the past. Each time it was left open for the players to discuss. Overall, they did NOT want it. That is why your suggestion was closed. And why it will more than likely, not be accepted.

Also, berries aren't the only form of sp. If a sinx only needs sp to keep winning, they can use other means and still out damage anyone's healing.

Times change, people change.

And about the SP thing, how can they use other means to gain SP without sacrificing damage %?

(eg. 2 antique firelock would give u shitload of SP = 0 fbh) and if they switched boots, people are smart enough to hide until they run out of EDP.)

[Ipwnyourmom]

I SAYYY THIS IS A GREATT IDEA!

YEYE BRUH

[Ipwnyourmom]

I don't think it is.

You don't think it's a good idea because you can afford Yggdrasil Berries. This room wouldn't help you at all. But think of the other players who can't, give them a chance to have some fun.

Edited September 18, 2009 by Ipwnyourmom

[Genesis]

So basically, no healing items. Period?

[Ipwnyourmom]

So basically, no healing items. Period?

Yeah, no items that increase HP or SP. Awakening potions, poison bottle, etc... still allowed. I just used Yggdrasil berries as an example cause its popular.

Edited September 18, 2009 by Ipwnyourmom

[b3zzy]

Didn't we say we had this before? All that counts in this PvP is who hits the hardest first.

i love it!!!!!

its really nice how you guys and ladies care for the noobs of FRO

so i thank you and hope you guys have other stuff for noobs XD (if its possible ^_^) :blush:

[Ipwnyourmom]

i love it!!!!!

its really nice how you guys and ladies care for the noobs of FRO

so i thank you and hope you guys have other stuff for noobs XD (if its possible ^_^) :blush:

Of course, to help the server grow, we don't start with the pros, but the noobs.

And we do have other stuff, try joining events, most of them are all level friendly.

Edited September 18, 2009 by Ipwnyourmom

[Daniel Rose]

If no items are able to be used it adds challange to the game.

I support this 100%

Its always nice to have a challange it makes things more fun

[tyrantlu]

heres an idea what about you get a group of people that like this idea go to a pk map and have fun ^^ just dont use any items :D

[Ipwnyourmom]

heres an idea what about you get a group of people that like this idea go to a pk map and have fun ^^ just dont use any items :D

How are people who just joined this game going to find out about it? Once we all go to this map, there's sure going to be other people coming with Yggdrasil berries just to kill us.

Edited September 18, 2009 by Ipwnyourmom

[Terroryst]

i love it!!!!!

its really nice how you guys and ladies care for the noobs of FRO

so i thank you and hope you guys have other stuff for noobs XD (if its possible ^_^) :blush:

You think that people don't care about the new people of Forsaken? If we didn't we wouldn't have implemented all of these extra headgear quests that help players in both gearing up and selling for coupons, which also leads to gearing up. And the GMs CONTINUE doing this to help new players. The majority of players already are using forsaken king sets and belts and usually valk helm, why would they need it besides going into ND? Only for another way to kill somebody. Now, you say this will bring new methods of killing people. By new methods, do you mean that it will require people to change equipment, use a variety of skills, and change elements? Those things sound like something we already do. Now, about your PvP, how would you continue PvPing for longer periods of time? Will your limit be on your SP limit? Let's see this by the classes:

SinX : Look like the MVPs out in non-berry PvP; high damage, reduce other people's damage, and only need to melee? Pretty nice.

Champs : Major skills : Asura and TSS. Asura kills all SP and TSS requires being spammed to kill. Spamming wastes SP doesn't it? Non-usable doesn't allow SP healing items = dead after SP gone.

LK : BB spam = SP gone = dead.

WS : Cart term = SP gone = dead.

Creator : AD spam = SP gone = dead.

Clowns/Gypsies : AV/Tarot spam = SP gone = dead.

Ninja : Spam magic = SP gone/ gets reflected = dead by SP or HP.

Prof : Spam magic = SP gone/ gets reflected = dead by SP or HP.

High Wizard : These guys may have a chance with 3 kiel spam, but people can just slap on a GTB and run up to this guy. Low HP count = dead.

Sniper : These guys have a higher fighting chance with their range and traps, but hey, other jobs have high damage ranged skills too. No berries, low HP count, and no shield means these guys are done.

Priest : These guys might have the highest chance since they can heal themselves and reduce damage, but what can you do? Just coma and try to keep yourself alive.

Stalkers : Bow stalkers have same flaw as sniper, but can't even use traps, although they can strip. But that's solved by a FCPer. Melee stalkers have to get close, most melee jobs can drop a stalker in seconds.

Also notice something that LK, WS, Champs, and melee Stalkers need? Converters. What are they? Usable items. Sinx's can be demolished by a simple argiope card since they are only equipped with poison element. A sinx may notice that the person has Argiope on when they attack, but that already may be too late and the sinx may have less HP than their opponent.

Don't wanna read all this? Simply put: bad idea.

[Yuki]

I think you guys also have to take into account that this is a High Rate Server, not a Low Rate/Mid Rate Server. When in a high rate server, you die a lot faster and most strategies involve parties (gangs). Edited September 19, 2009 by Venus

[Cirrus]

Considering people won't go 2x FBH and not go in at more than 50% weight...

I don't know man! You'd still die too fast for any "strategy" and I think that would equate more to runnin' and delayin' so you regenerate SP at the least, never mind HP it regenerates too slow.

I stick with this server being a high rate. But well, have your room. It's still gonna be camped with people with the best gear so they can kill you in 1-2 seconds before you can even press the ygg- oh wait. No yggs.

[kuoch]

You think that people don't care about the new people of Forsaken? If we didn't we wouldn't have implemented all of these extra headgear quests that help players in both gearing up and selling for coupons, which also leads to gearing up. And the GMs CONTINUE doing this to help new players. The majority of players already are using forsaken king sets and belts and usually valk helm, why would they need it besides going into ND? Only for another way to kill somebody. Now, you say this will bring new methods of killing people. By new methods, do you mean that it will require people to change equipment, use a variety of skills, and change elements? Those things sound like something we already do. Now, about your PvP, how would you continue PvPing for longer periods of time? Will your limit be on your SP limit? Let's see this by the classes:

SinX : Look like the MVPs out in non-berry PvP; high damage, reduce other people's damage, and only need to melee? Pretty nice.

Champs : Major skills : Asura and TSS. Asura kills all SP and TSS requires being spammed to kill. Spamming wastes SP doesn't it? Non-usable doesn't allow SP healing items = dead after SP gone.

LK : BB spam = SP gone = dead.

WS : Cart term = SP gone = dead.

Creator : AD spam = SP gone = dead.

Clowns/Gypsies : AV/Tarot spam = SP gone = dead.

Ninja : Spam magic = SP gone/ gets reflected = dead by SP or HP.

Prof : Spam magic = SP gone/ gets reflected = dead by SP or HP.

High Wizard : These guys may have a chance with 3 kiel spam, but people can just slap on a GTB and run up to this guy. Low HP count = dead.

Sniper : These guys have a higher fighting chance with their range and traps, but hey, other jobs have high damage ranged skills too. No berries, low HP count, and no shield means these guys are done.

Priest : These guys might have the highest chance since they can heal themselves and reduce damage, but what can you do? Just coma and try to keep yourself alive.

Stalkers : Bow stalkers have same flaw as sniper, but can't even use traps, although they can strip. But that's solved by a FCPer. Melee stalkers have to get close, most melee jobs can drop a stalker in seconds.

Also notice something that LK, WS, Champs, and melee Stalkers need? Converters. What are they? Usable items. Sinx's can be demolished by a simple argiope card since they are only equipped with poison element. A sinx may notice that the person has Argiope on when they attack, but that already may be too late and the sinx may have less HP than their opponent.

Don't wanna read all this? Simply put: bad idea.

Heh, Jay. You make reading fun! n___________n

[Leaz]

How are people who just joined this game going to find out about it? Once we all go to this map, there's sure going to be other people coming with Yggdrasil berries just to kill us.

I'm pretty sure the RO world is big enough to find a map that no one is on.