Holy Bolt

[Xtopher]

So I've been messing around on my Priest for a while and seeing how this is somewhat of a High rate pk/pvp server I was wondering if anyone else felt Priests could use some modifications. I've read the threads about the suggestions for priests weapons, and I know that the elite weapon was modified recently. I don't intend on push them to the level of Assassin Cross or Champion in pvp, it would just be nice if they could defend themselves without using coma weapons.

1. Could we change "Holy Light" for priest to "Holy Bolt" and if not change one to the other then add the skill entirely to the Priest skill tree. I know your thinking that a linked Priest would destroy if Light was edited to bolt, I mean my Priest does like 100k HL when linked. So I think it would be best to add a new skill entirely if possible. I don't want to give Champs a Bolt skill. I was thinking it could be something like Firebolt with Holy element. Still easily blockable with GTB and Angeling but gives Priests more options.

2. Buffs to lvl 15/20. Lets face it, buffs here aren't really that great, I mean considering single items increase stats by 15-25 points. This of course does not need to be made available to Champions. The supportive class is not appreciated on this server as much as it should be. I know some of you may feel this will be "OP" but buffs don't last forever. Based off of my experiences Heal does not need to be changed.

3. I don't know the specifics of how this would work but if there is a way to give a negative blessing, maybe a curse or something? I was thinking it could just decrease the stats the blessing normally increases, kind of like decrease agility. Maybe modify the "Turn Undead" skill to do this? I mean who actually uses that here?

I know none of this will probably be accepted but I thought I would voice my opinion none the less.

Feel free to contribute/criticize.

[hot sauce]

No, just play the class better.

Only if you were around during the time when I played my High Priest, Anael, you'd possibly see that High Priests can indeed fight well as they are.

Buffs are fine, players make 2nd clients and buff themselves before any battle anyways with every buff RO has, so this would only give them more power, making them more of a challenge.

And no need for a magical offensive Holy Bolts.

If anything, Archbishops are going to have something similar to that anyways.

Although this server won't have Archbishops or 3rd classes for 2 years after they come out in official/other private servers.

Consider Turn Undead like Sense, it's useless in PvP but useful against monsters. No real purpose to being there, but so are many other skills.

[Xtopher]

No, just play the class better.

Only if you were around during the time when I played my High Priest, Anael, you'd possibly see that High Priests can indeed fight well as they are.

Buffs are fine, players make 2nd clients and buff themselves before any battle anyways with every buff RO has, so this would only give them more power, making them more of a challenge.

I find it hard to believe that most of the people that pvp here are duel cliented with a Priest. If anything its a Creator, maybe a Professor/Linker.

And just playing the better pvp classes is so narrow. I mean pvp is like 80% Assassin Cross / Champion.

[Yahtzee]

Sigh, how annoying that so many suggestion threads turn into "BUT I RULE, SO THERE MUST BE NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS CLASS." Suggestions are to benefit everyone, k?

Never was BUT I RULE mentioned in the post above nor was there any word on the class being flawless, your bost was both irrelevant and offensive thanks to your exaggeration on arrogance in the re-wording of the post.

The pupose that was mentioned was clearly to prove that there is no impossibility in playing well with the class. Every class requires skill and ability to use it well. Examples, while Conor is a remarkable Sniper, most players can't play the class at all. While Yukumaru is a powerful Champion, some players can't even scratch an opponent on the class, so on and so forth.

As for the 'Dark Blessing' or 'Offensive Blessing' I agree with you if it's only given to High Priests and causes at first a debuff of a Blessing against an opponent if they've got Blessing and then further decreases their stats down to the same amount of what a Blessing would increase it to.

[Ryoji]

If you want bolts for the sake of having a bolt like attack, there are scrolls that do that...

Get some? So technically any class can use bolt attacks..

An add on to buffs isn't entirely necessary. Since some people duel account priests for buffs as is.

Or have a friend follow them around just to buff them / lex others. No matter how lame it is as is.

Not to mention +10 should be more then enough currently to make a difference if you know how to play.

And Anti Blessing? Kind of like decrease agi?

Simple enough answer for that. Cast level 1 blessing on people.

They think they're getting buffed, but really you're only making there buffs suck by overriding their +10.

Unless they didn't have buffs...Then you're giving them +1, LoL.

[Yahtzee]

Point out to me where any part of the post was helpful beyond stating how awesome you are, then. "Exaggerated" arrogance? No one has to exaggerate your arrogance. Christ.

...But really, don't. Shut it. Let someone make a suggestion without talking about how great you are. Let someone make ONE post without talking about how great you are.

Sigh, how annoying that so many suggestion threads turn into "BUT I RULE, SO THERE MUST BE NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS CLASS." Suggestions are to benefit everyone, k?

"BUT I RULE"

Is a mention of arrogance which was never said in the post. My post was helpful for motivation and hope.

Obviously if one player can achieve the ability to kill effectively in PvP, others can. As I mentioned in the post after your rather failing justification of your offensive post, some people are better at some classes, others aren't. It all depends on how well people play and what class benefits them the most.

[Terroryst]

Lets add a skill scroll selling NPC. tee hee

[Ryoji]

*Edit* Nevermind.

[Xtopher]

I know Scrolls are available, but does it really hurt to give priests a Bolt skill? It maybe be too much work though, and if that's the case then I understand.

Some people like to say that all classes can pvp here, well I find that simply not true. I don't call putting coma cards on your weapon and swinging, hoping for that little chance that the person will die pvping because meanwhile that assassin has killed you 5 times. Currently the only thing that I can see that Priests can do is spam Safety Wall or Basil.

A Priest that could debuff Blessing would actually be able to protect himself and maybe even fight back, it would take the instant casting away from most champs and the attack speed from most assassins. Of course they could always just wear a GTB to defend against it, so it isn't too over powered.

@Yahtzee: I'm not talking about Yukumaru the Champion or Conor the Sniper, I'm talking about Priests, if you have no personal experiences with them and can not contribute to a discussion about THIS CLASS, then please do not post.

@VapoRub: I'm all for coming up with unique builds and going offensive if needed, but Priests are very much defenseless in a lot of ways.

[Rayray]

dang I can't side at anyone but well really telling someone that you "play high priest well means that the class is fine as it is" is not right. Well we might not be as good as you are as a high priest, that is why we are thinking of some ways to help the class.

on the other hand, the debuff or something might make more QQing threads. i dunno, i seem to think decrease agi is well enough of a debuff(against sinx and other attacking class, dunno about champs)

[Xtopher]

on the other hand, the debuff or something might make more QQing threads.

I suppose you're right about that. People probably would complain about the debuff, but like I said... If you use GTB you wont be effected it by it. So it's not like its not like its not able to be countered. This server has so much stuff that beefs up stats and damage, why not have something that can counter that? A Priest probably wouldn't be able to actually KILL an assassin/champ this way, but he could certainly defend himself and that's what I'm looking for. If the class stays the way it is now and all else held constant I don't believe it will ever actually be used, at least not effectively.

@Ryoji: I don't believe players take the time to file through another account to get Priest buffs, maybe FCP or Endow which both last a while, but not Priest buffs. They may however start doing that if Priest buffs were upped to lvl 15ish.

I would like to get more feedback/criticism from players who actually play Priests. That is, if there are any. Some people who play the other classes will only see "Oh they want to make another class a disadvantage to me, therefor it's wrong."

[Rayray]

I do play priest since it is fun. But yeah those who play other class might not like the debuff, even if it is counterable by gtb. I like the bolts or just make holy light stronger would be enough at least.

[Xtopher]

I do play priest since it is fun. But yeah those who play other class might not like the debuff, even if it is counterable by gtb. I like the bolts or just make holy light stronger would be enough at least.

Making holy light stronger wouldn't work because I can already do 100k when linked. Of course gtb and angeling block this but it's already strong enough.

[Ryoji]

@Ryoji: I don't believe players take the time to file through another account to get Priest buffs, maybe FCP or Endow

YOU. Do not speak for a majority nor all players.

I was merely stating from experience, and even agreeing with Vapo also an experienced player.

There "are" several people who dual client priests.

Not to mention people who have their friends only play priests to follow them around for buffs/lex.

Also, giving the priests a skill that's available through items already?

...Hey lets just give sinx a ygg skill. Amirite guyz? :)

Also. Priests aren't defenseless. Maybe not super offensively physically.

But hell, they are far from defenseless...

In fact, I think they're the second most least defenseless class in the game...practically..

Want to talk about defenseless? Magic classes, with lower hp mods and can't buff themselves against a gtb user.

Also, HL can do more then 100k.

[Xtopher]

YOU. Do not speak for a majority nor all players.

I was merely stating from experience, and even agreeing with Vapo also an experienced player.

There "are" several people who dual client priests.

Not to mention people who have their friends only play priests to follow them around for buffs/lex.

Also, giving the priests a skill that's available through items already?

...Hey lets just give sinx a ygg skill. Amirite guyz? :)

Also. Priests aren't defenseless. Maybe not super offensively physically.

But hell, they are far from defenseless...

In fact, I think they're the second most least defenseless class in the game...practically..

Want to talk about defenseless? Magic classes, with lower hp mods and can't buff themselves against a gtb user.

Also, HL can do more then 100k.

Please don't turn my thread into some argument, this is a suggestion, if you don't like it then please contribute but leave out your ignorant sarcasm. You seem to just be looking for an argument instead of contributing.

I never said I speak for all players, I was basing my response off of experience; just as you. I know people double client. I do to Endow and FCP my mains for pvp, all I was saying was that Priests buffs don't seem worth the time it takes to open another client or switch from your alt creator/professor. I also don't imagine many people play Priest as main just to be a "heal/buff slave" for their friends, not on a high rate pk/pvp server like this. I'm sure there might be some, but I'm guessing a very very low %age of the player population.

I don't remember seeing a Holy Bolt Scroll, if I'm wrong about this then please point it out.

Priest isn't entirely defenseless, I never said that. They are defenseless in a lot of ways though. You can only spam safety wall for so long before a epd sinX who has auto targeted you kills you, and what kind of pvping is that? I don't doubt that Holy Light can do more than 100k if I'm capable of 100k without int belts.

AGAIN: This thread is about PRIESTS, I'm not interested in changing Mages in this thread. It has been discussed multiple times that GTB should stay as it is, and in that decision Mages had their legs taken from them so to speak.

This thread is not turning into what I wanted it be. If anyone can please give some more constructive criticism instead of sarcastic remarks to get attention I would greatly appreciate it.

[Ophelia]

We are currently looking into how we can achieve class balance to help other classes be part of the game and not just sinx / champs.

I don't think we should add another skill, as Ryoji said any class can use bolts. Instead, to aid Holy Light, we can add a new elite weapon for priest that boosts int / MATK. Even maybe add a boost to heal on the weapon?

As for making buffs a higher level, I thoroughly disagree with this. Buffs are NOT useless; buffs are very helpful for any class you play. & yes, we do have people dual clienting priests to buff themselves...

[Impulse]

imo for a supportive build and defensively priests are set, its what they are known for.

maybe modifying their damage offensively i.e. ATK dmg, can expand their role a little more. considering this is a high rate server, their role as a support is a bit diminished since most classes can hold themselves up through yggs.

and as for the increase level of buffs. players will take advantage of that by dual-ing.

[Ryoji]

Okay, and I'm just suggesting there's nothing really wrong with the class..

I'm always against adding unnecessary things, because it'll only lead to more buffs/nerfs to other things.

If we gave every class a buff or nerf because some QQ'd and can't play their class. It'd be chaos.

Improving Holy Light? There's an idea. Don't think it's needed. But an idea none the less.

Constructive Criticism? You're wasting your time, for the most part. :)

[Impulse]

They are defenseless in a lot of ways though.

i beg the differ. they are defensive in all ways. if not, most.

[Xtopher]

What about debuffs? Other than Decrease Agility.

As for any class being able to use bolts: I know that, but that also seems like a kind of half-assed solution. (excuse my language) You say your looking for class balance, how do you achieve that if you suggest a solution that all classes are capable of? Unless you intend on giving all classes something equivalent to EDP or Asura the weaker classes are going to need exclusive benefits not available to the ones that already dominate. Maybe it's too much to ask for some class exclusiveness.

I can see the higher level buffs being too much though.

Thanks for contributing.

[Ryoji]

You do have an exclusive class.

But there's also something called a Class Role.

Priests were made to be supportive and at the same time near self sufficient.

Priests have some of the best defenses in game.

And at the same time, some of the greatest MAtk with Holy Light when done right.

If priests had something wrong with them that needed to be fixed, I'd agree.

But, everything they have right now works well with a HR server..

[Ophelia]

They're supposed to be a support class, shouldn't they have higher HP?

Agreed.

[Xtopher]

Constructive Criticism? You're wasting your time, for the most part. :)[/size][/color]

Thanks, that's nice to know.

[Ryoji]

Thanks, that's nice to know.

At least in terms of asking them to be able to deal more damage.

Since that's not really their class role..

Oh, improving the heal? That would be a pretty nifty idea...

Isn't there mvp cards for that already? );

And an equip for that too...?

[Ryoji]

Isn't that the same for all High Priests in all servers?

I'm sorry, but even in LR's a priest still gets screwed if a sinx edp's and rushes them.

And well, yeah. They're a supportive class. Shouldn't you be supporting someone?

But I admit, heal should be buffed..

And have you really run out of sp on a HR from using heal? Wtf. Lol.

But at the same time, I think being able to outheal the damage not using all your sp, could also be abusive..

As a support class you could keep people from dying almost entirely, as well as only needing a single berry to recover sp.